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Originally Posted by TomsHT View Post

Thats bull... they were releasing quality movies previously at a rate of 3 times what there announcing now if anything progress should now have them releasing more then before


Shhhhh. Last year it was, "quantity," and "content is king," so "that's why HD DVD's gonna win!" Now, when quantity and content isn't there, the argument shifts to, "HD DVD doesn't need lots of titles in lots of genres to win, it just needs a few great titles!"

Because the argument isn't about the reason, but about the bias. Anyone with sense would want more titles on their format. And in fact, most of these individuals do want more titles, they just don't want to be beholden to Sony.

The truth is the only exclusives worth caring about are those from Universal (as the rest will come to Blu-ray too) and those that Universal's announced so far aren't exactly King Kong-level.

Even King Kong wasn't all that great.

Unless Universal pops out a Back to the Future or three on HD DVD, BD's going to win the content war this year. It's funny how quickly the tide has turned, but it's obvious that it really was the PS3 that turned it. The studios waited for the PS3, the PS3 came, Blu-ray sales picked up, and titles began to flood out the floodgates. Quality had improved and titles truly taking advantage of the format's advantages are beginning to appear.

Unless Toshiba and Microsoft can convince someone neutral to go exclusively HD DVD, I think the war's over in a year. Maybe a little more. With the sheer title advantage in Blu-ray's favor, even the consumers will make their choice based on the size of the blue section versus the red when the blue is three times as big as the red. When aisle space comes a premium, which format will Best Buy prefer? The one with the large catalogue or keeping two, one that has the large catalogue and one that doesn't? Best Buy will want the one that is bigger.

I'll still play my HD DVD's and hopefully on a Toshiba HD-A3 if they can manage to produce a player that has the speed of a PS3 with the reliability of a PS3. Oh, and with the silence of a PS3. And the codec support, too. And the price.

Or Microsoft could release a 360 with HDMI support (including audio) that has the superior playback of the add-on with HDMI audio (TrueHD) support of a genuine HD DVD player. Either/or.
post #32 of 181
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Originally Posted by dandaroy View Post

Just bought a Toshiba HD-A2 and been stunned by the PQ on HD-DVD. However, I am a bit frustrated on the availability of new releases on HD-DVD. I have Netflix and seems like 90% of the new releases are coming out in Blu-ray only!!@%#! What gives? Did I choose a wrong format?

Law of averages. BR was bound to catch up eventually as far as releases were concerned, they were far behind HD DVD hence the sudden push. They had to support their claim of having the majority of studio support by releasing a long list of coming soon titles. A wise marketing ploy. However it's how many you sell not how many you flood the market with.
post #33 of 181
What is going to be most important is price Most could care less if Blu Ray has 1 million titles if they cannot afford the dang thing. With HD DVD announcing Chinese made players being released this year for possibly under $300 it gives a huge advantage to those not willing to buy a game console to play HD movies and other's who don't want to take out a second mortgage to buy a standalone. With cheaper and cheaper players flooding the market for HD DVD we will see a bigger instillation base and more and more HD DVD supporters, which could result in more and more studio's going neutral. HD DVD has been delivering the goods when it comes to pq and aq and giving us new interactive content that we just cant get with dvd and to me they have shown what HD movies are capable of and to me the future looks bright.
post #34 of 181
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

Hanging around isn't going to save HD-DVD.

As long as HD DVD maintains a significantly lower retail player price, common sense says that they will be the choice for people deciding to buy into a HD format. If Blu-ray players are $300 in another 3 years as suggested, only then might Blu-ray start to really become a real interest for middle-class america outside of the PS3 market. After four years of HD DVD outselling Blu-ray stand-alone players, do you really think Blu-ray would be outselling HD DVD on movies and that none of those exclusive studios would change?

My view is real simple. HD DVD has a huge advantage on price. Blu-ray has a big current advantage with studio support. Between the two, I'd have to say that in the long run the second is more of a shaky footing. Honestly though, I don't care because I own both.
post #35 of 181
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Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post

After four years of HD DVD outselling Blu-ray stand-alone players, do you really think Blu-ray would be outselling HD DVD on movies and that none of those exclusive studios would change?

You misunderstand what I meant by "hanging around". The term implies that HD-DVD will be in the ball park of Blu-Ray and if HD-DVD is merely closely behind or slightly ahead in total software sales, HD-DVD is a dead format. They need to open up a commanding lead and they need to do it before 2007 is over.
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Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post

My view is real simple. HD DVD has a huge advantage on price.

I disagree. Entrance into BluRay is $499 - Toshiba needs to get players into the $299 range by November at the latest.
post #36 of 181
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Originally Posted by thalazy View Post

What is going to be most important is price Most could care less if Blu Ray has 1 million titles if they cannot afford the dang thing. With HD DVD announcing Chinese made players being released this year for possibly under $300 it gives a huge advantage to those not willing to buy a game console to play HD movies and other's who don't want to take out a second mortgage to buy a standalone. With cheaper and cheaper players flooding the market for HD DVD we will see a bigger instillation base and more and more HD DVD supporters, which could result in more and more studio's going neutral. HD DVD has been delivering the goods when it comes to pq and aq and giving us new interactive content that we just cant get with dvd and to me they have shown what HD movies are capable of and to me the future looks bright.

The samsung is already 1/2 the price it was 6 months ago. You don't think the other players will drop in price as well?
post #37 of 181
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

You misunderstand what I meant by "hanging around". The term implies that HD-DVD will be in the ball park of Blu-Ray and if HD-DVD is merely closely behind or slightly ahead in total software sales, HD-DVD is a dead format. They need to open up a commanding lead and they need to do it before 2007 is over.

I disagree. Entrance into BluRay is $499 - Toshiba needs to get players into the $299 range by November at the latest.

Where's that 360 add on we've been hearing so much about, hope that's out by Nov 2007 *extreme sarcasm*
post #38 of 181
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Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post

As long as HD DVD maintains a significantly lower retail player price, common sense says that they will be the choice for people deciding to buy into a HD format.

Not according to this:

post #39 of 181
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Originally Posted by Fettastic View Post

The samsung is already 1/2 the price it was 6 months ago. You don't think the other players will drop in price as well?

I have only seen the Samsuing for $799.99 which is $200 off have yet to see a $500 standalone Blu Ray player(brand new in a store). $200 off is good but still not quite $500 which HD DVD player can be had for. Sure prices for Blu Ray players are going down and will continue to do so, but so will HD DVD players and may always been slightly lower until they hit the $100 price mark many years down the line.
post #40 of 181
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Originally Posted by thalazy View Post

I have only seen the Samsuing for $799.99 which is $200 off have yet to see a $500 standalone Blu Ray player(brand new in a store). $200 off is good but still not quite $500 which HD DVD player can be had for. Sure prices for Blu Ray players are going down and will continue to do so, but so will HD DVD players and may always been slightly lower until they hit the $100 price mark many years down the line.

$599
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BD-P10...&s=electronics

It's gone up a bit, it was $519 a week or two ago.

$499.94 refurbished from Samsung.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...105396-5202220
post #41 of 181
I am a strong supporter of HD-DVD and had a player the day the thing came out...BUT, I have to admit that blu-ray is dishin out the releases and advertising for them as well. I haven't seen near as many HD-DVD commercials as I have blu-ray; the slow HD-DVD releases are killing me. As soon as I get my money back from Uncle Sam, I am purchasing a PS3, simply because I am a gamer(even though the PS3 is seriously lacking right now) and need to have the option of watching any HD movie that is released.

This format war is stupid. If say the Matrix trilogy, Jurrasic Park set, LOTR:trilogy, or Gladiator were released on HD-DVD today, this format war would take a big turn in favor of HD-DVD, and actually sell a lot more players, but they really haven't given us anything big besides Batman(which blu-ray will have soon) and King Kong in the past 3 months, right? I'm all about quality and quantity, why can't we have both? Blu-ray is really lookin good to me right now, just look at all the releases they are starting to get each tuesday, ridiculous.
post #42 of 181
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Originally Posted by alpha21 View Post

Where's that 360 add on we've been hearing so much about, hope that's out by Nov 2007 *extreme sarcasm*

$200 for HD-DVD add on + $299 for XBox 360 = $499. Same price as a PS3.
post #43 of 181
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Originally Posted by Fettastic View Post

Not according to this:


This is 100% due to the complete and utter lack of A rate HD-DVD titles being released.
post #44 of 181
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Originally Posted by Fettastic View Post

$599
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BD-P10...&s=electronics

It's gone up a bit, it was $519 a week or two ago.

$499.94 refurbished from Samsung.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...105396-5202220

Good prices for Samsung but I wonder how many of those are online only? We all know they get you with the shipping. Doesn't matter I think if stores carried those prices for the Samsung then that's a major plus for the BD camp. Vanns is great site though I bought an Onkyo dvd player from them really cheap. Either way those are some good deals for those interested in Blu Ray.
post #45 of 181
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Originally Posted by kits View Post

I got HD-DVD Player about 2-weeks back and happened to get PS3 yesterday as most new releases are coming on PS3. I wanted to wait on my Blu-Ray player purchase till Casino Royale release date but what the heck! I gave up when I saw a PS3 in stock FINALLY!

If you love HD and want to enjoy it fully you have but only one choice. Get both formats! Who cares who wins the war!

It doesn't make sense to hate one format and love another. The only reason to stick with one format is if one can't afford to buy players from both format. In that case, check which format content is widely available to buy/rent and decide.

Sooner or later one will be hooked to HD and will surely give into the other format as well.

Buying both formats makes no sense unless you have money coming out your who-ha. I own a HD-DVD player and about 20 discs now. There are at least 20 more HD-DVD's I'd like to own, and probably more than that.

It makes no sense to say, "go dual format", unless a person has already bought all the films in one format that they desire. In my case, I could spend at least $525 to get a BD player and ONE BD movie that I want, or I could buy at least 21 HD-DVD films that I still want.

Again, unless you have so much money that you can buy anything you want, whenever you want, it makes no sense to go dual format.
post #46 of 181
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

$200 for HD-DVD add on + $299 for XBox 360 = $499. Same price as a PS3.

and that's not even the entry price of HD-DVD
post #47 of 181
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Originally Posted by tbass2k View Post

I am a strong supporter of HD-DVD and had a player the day the thing came out...BUT, I have to admit that blu-ray is dishin out the releases and advertising for them as well. I haven't seen near as many HD-DVD commercials as I have blu-ray; the slow HD-DVD releases are killing me. As soon as I get my money back from Uncle Sam, I am purchasing a PS3, simply because I am a gamer(even though the PS3 is seriously lacking right now) and need to have the option of watching any HD movie that is released.

This format war is stupid. If say the Matrix trilogy, Jurrasic Park set, LOTR:trilogy, or Gladiator were released on HD-DVD today, this format war would take a big turn in favor of HD-DVD, and actually sell a lot more players, but they really haven't given us anything big besides Batman(which blu-ray will have soon) and King Kong in the past 3 months, right? I'm all about quality and quantity, why can't we have both? Blu-ray is really lookin good to me right now, just look at all the releases they are starting to get each tuesday, ridiculous.

If you havn't seen it, check out Universal's 100-plus 2007 HD-DVD release schedule from hometheaterforum as part of a discussion with one of their executives.

Enjoy!

Milt R. Smith
mrsmith2002@yahoo.com
post #48 of 181
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Originally Posted by thalazy View Post

I have only seen the Samsuing for $799.99 which is $200 off have yet to see a $500 standalone Blu Ray player(brand new in a store). $200 off is good but still not quite $500 which HD DVD player can be had for. Sure prices for Blu Ray players are going down and will continue to do so, but so will HD DVD players and may always been slightly lower until they hit the $100 price mark many years down the line.

Toshiba exec already publicly announced earlier this month that they will reduce the MSRPs on their base unit to $399 and then $299 during 2007. Did not stipulate which specific month and date for each change.

Enjoy!

Milt R. Smith
mrsmith2002@yahoo.com
post #49 of 181
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

HD-DVD is merely closely behind or slightly ahead in total software sales

Entrance into BluRay is $499 - Toshiba needs to get players into the $299 range by November at the latest.

I undersood you meant software sales. The thing is that software sales come from hardware sales. When it comes to Blu-ray, you're still talking about the PS3. Considering that Sony's own positive outlook is envisioning $300 standalones in 3 years, can the PS3 really uphold software sales for at least a couple years?

I disagree with your entry-level price and say that the lowest price Blu-ray player currently retails at $800. My point, there is a large segment of the market that has no interest in buying a PS3 for watching movies. Sure it makes little sense that the same components could be put in a different case with a remote and it would appeal to that market, but that's the fact. It remains that the only competitively priced Blu-ray player is a plastic game machine.
post #50 of 181
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Originally Posted by wnorris View Post

Buying both formats makes no sense unless you have money coming out your who-ha. I own a HD-DVD player and about 20 discs now. There are at least 20 more HD-DVD's I'd like to own, and probably more than that.

It makes no sense to say, "go dual format", unless a person has already bought all the films in one format that they desire. In my case, I could spend at least $525 to get a BD player and ONE BD movie that I want, or I could buy at least 21 HD-DVD films that I still want.

Again, unless you have so much money that you can buy anything you want, whenever you want, it makes no sense to go dual format.

In your case, obviously, it doesn't amke a lot of sense. I have around 150 titles, 50 of which are BDs. If I hadn't picked up that $500 PS3, I'd be REALLY ticked at the lack of new HD DVD titles right now.
post #51 of 181
Just about everyone who posts here that has a BD player has the PS3 and why's that? Price! Just about everyone who's buying a standalone player is buying an HD DVD player and why's that? Price! When it comes to releases consumers look at what's on the shelves and there's plenty on both formats. The big box stores have finally discovered HD DVD and a lot of people are buying them.

Personally, I'll buy HD DVD and rent it. I'll never buy BD only rent it. Without HD DVD we'd get the crap they called HD when it was first released and high prices for much, much longer.

The BD supporters are desparate for Universal to support BD and why's that? Too many great titles to be ignored ! If you want great content you've got to have an HD DVD player.

Cheers,

Grant
post #52 of 181
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Originally Posted by Sisko197 View Post

Shhhhh. Last year it was, "quantity," and "content is king," so "that's why HD DVD's gonna win!" Now, when quantity and content isn't there, the argument shifts to, "HD DVD doesn't need lots of titles in lots of genres to win, it just needs a few great titles!"

Because the argument isn't about the reason, but about the bias. Anyone with sense would want more titles on their format. And in fact, most of these individuals do want more titles, they just don't want to be beholden to Sony.

The truth is the only exclusives worth caring about are those from Universal (as the rest will come to Blu-ray too) and those that Universal's announced so far aren't exactly King Kong-level.

Even King Kong wasn't all that great.

Unless Universal pops out a Back to the Future or three on HD DVD, BD's going to win the content war this year. It's funny how quickly the tide has turned, but it's obvious that it really was the PS3 that turned it. The studios waited for the PS3, the PS3 came, Blu-ray sales picked up, and titles began to flood out the floodgates. Quality had improved and titles truly taking advantage of the format's advantages are beginning to appear.

Unless Toshiba and Microsoft can convince someone neutral to go exclusively HD DVD, I think the war's over in a year. Maybe a little more. With the sheer title advantage in Blu-ray's favor, even the consumers will make their choice based on the size of the blue section versus the red when the blue is three times as big as the red. When aisle space comes a premium, which format will Best Buy prefer? The one with the large catalogue or keeping two, one that has the large catalogue and one that doesn't? Best Buy will want the one that is bigger.

I'll still play my HD DVD's and hopefully on a Toshiba HD-A3 if they can manage to produce a player that has the speed of a PS3 with the reliability of a PS3. Oh, and with the silence of a PS3. And the codec support, too. And the price.

Or Microsoft could release a 360 with HDMI support (including audio) that has the superior playback of the add-on with HDMI audio (TrueHD) support of a genuine HD DVD player. Either/or.

See Universal's 100-plus 2007 HD-DVD release schedule as part of a discussion with one of their execs in hometheaterforum earlier this month.

He also stated that Universal is sticking with HD-DVD only.

Enjoy!

Milt R. Smith
mrsmith2002@yahoo.com
post #53 of 181
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Originally Posted by mrsmith View Post

See Universal's 100-plus 2007 HD-DVD release schedule as part of a discussion with one of their execs in hometheaterforum earlier this month.

He also stated that Universal is sticking with HD-DVD only.

Enjoy!

Milt R. Smith
mrsmith2002@yahoo.com

I would love to see their "100 plus 2007 HD DVD release schedule", but that hasn't been released anywhere. In that talk all they did was reaffirm a couple of titles we already knew were coming.
post #54 of 181
I think the PS3 is only relevant at this stage of the game, when AV geeks like us are actively researching which players off the best bang for the buck. Those PS3-For-Watching-Movies purchases will surely drop off very soon.

Then we enter the next stage when almost all of us have players, but the regular guys start looking. Some of them may have heard that the PS3 game console plays Blu-ray very well, but I highly doubt most people would even bother looking at anything but a standalone. My father would NEVER buy a video game system to play movies! LOL! I am pretty sure he is not the only J6P who feels this way.

In the long run, it will be the cheap standalones that determine the result. A $299 HD DVD player is going to be far more effective than anything Blu-ray will have to offer.
post #55 of 181
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Originally Posted by mrsmith View Post

See Universal's 100-plus 2007 HD-DVD release schedule as part of a discussion with one of their execs in hometheaterforum earlier this month.

He also stated that Universal is sticking with HD-DVD only.

Enjoy!

Milt R. Smith
mrsmith2002@yahoo.com

We still have no idea when those titles are coming. Or what the majority of those 100 titles will be. I'm as big a HD-DVD backer as anyone, but the lack of title announcements is a recipe for disaster.

Hell at least give us a time of year we can expect these titles. That WB list that was leaked today is a perfect example. Granted it's for France, but it's a start. That would've been really nice to see at CES.
post #56 of 181
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

You misunderstand what I meant by "hanging around". The term implies that HD-DVD will be in the ball park of Blu-Ray and if HD-DVD is merely closely behind or slightly ahead in total software sales, HD-DVD is a dead format. They need to open up a commanding lead and they need to do it before 2007 is over.

I disagree. Entrance into BluRay is $499 - Toshiba needs to get players into the $299 range by November at the latest.

These "facts" are mostly your opinion. Why so adamant?
post #57 of 181
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Originally Posted by thalazy View Post

Good prices for Samsung but I wonder how many of those are online only? We all know they get you with the shipping.

Even crutchfield has Sammy for $599 and they usually have coupons floating if you use Visa or mastercard.

Most of anyway buy only online to load up on HD content these days!
post #58 of 181
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Originally Posted by wnorris View Post

Buying both formats makes no sense unless you have money coming out your who-ha. I own a HD-DVD player and about 20 discs now. There are at least 20 more HD-DVD's I'd like to own, and probably more than that.

It makes no sense to say, "go dual format", unless a person has already bought all the films in one format that they desire. In my case, I could spend at least $525 to get a BD player and ONE BD movie that I want, or I could buy at least 21 HD-DVD films that I still want.

Again, unless you have so much money that you can buy anything you want, whenever you want, it makes no sense to go dual format.

While I agree with you personally, I think you underestimate the fanaticism of most people on this forum and their enthusiasm for this hobby. If you want all the titles, you need to be format neutral, and a lot of enthusiast here want all the titles.
post #59 of 181
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Originally Posted by RobDSM View Post

I think the PS3 is only relevant at this stage of the game, when AV geeks like us are actively researching which players off the best bang for the buck. Those PS3-For-Watching-Movies purchases will surely drop off very soon.

Then we enter the next stage when almost all of us have players, but the regular guys start looking. Some of them may have heard that the PS3 game console plays Blu-ray very well, but I highly doubt most people would even bother looking at anything but a standalone. My father would NEVER buy a video game system to play movies! LOL! I am pretty sure he is not the only J6P who feels this way.

In the long run, it will be the cheap standalones that determine the result. A $299 HD DVD player is going to be far more effective than anything Blu-ray will have to offer.

That's a great point. I mean the Ps3 price is not going to drop for a long time, by the time that happens a standalone blu-ray player will be far cheaper than the PS3, and it seems that Hd-dvd players will be leading the pack with the cheapest prices of all if the cheap chinese players come out.
post #60 of 181
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

$200 for HD-DVD add on + $299 for XBox 360 = $499. Same price as a PS3.

I own both, but the PS3 Stomps all over the 360 addon. The PS3 is infinitely faster, better connectivity (HDMI 1.3), way better sound with True HD decoder, and the kicker - it ejects when I press the eject button on my Bluetooth remote.

The stupid addon doesn't open - instead the 360's tray opens. You actually have to scroll to "Open HD DVD tray" to open it. What the heck is the point of the remote then?
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