MyHD on Vista & W7 / W8 Main Thread - Page 2

Hi,

I am preparing a detailed report checklist to be included with each report of success and failure to help us sort out if there are differences between the different versions of "Vista" and our systems that make differences.

There are incompatibilities between reports that are being made and many crucial details are being left out to allow the reports to be understood.

Please hold off on more reports until I post the report checklist later today (I hope).

There are several things that need to be checked that may explain the inconsistencies that I see in the reports.

Stephen H. Fischer

Hi,

With the release of the new "MyHD" software I am starting to prepare my HDTV for normal use with Windows "Vista".

The result will be a duplicate of my Windows "XP SP2" currently running system as described in "MyHD on Vista Goal 1: Power failure recovery".

I do not believe that there are any "MyHD" issues that would cause problems in meeting this goal.

I do have other issues that may be problems, mainly the lack of "Vista" drivers for my sound chip and second RAID controller.

The "Fusion" software may be a problem but they are working on it and will continue to do so.

As I will not be doing a "Clean" new install of the "MyHD" but instead trying to remove all traces of the "MyHD" first there may be items that might be different from a "Clean" new first install.

I will be trying to document each step during the process with the result being a guide for new "MyHD" users on Windows "Vista".

Please comment as I present this work.

New "MyHD" on "Vista" users!

Please print out the Guide and report any differences that you see during the process and any questions that you have so we can build a good guide for all persons, some that may be less experienced than some of us.

When I have completed the switch to Windows "Vista" Ultimate and have been running it successful for a while I will be doing a "Clean" install of Windows "Vista" Home Premium and then a "Clean" install of the "MyHD".

I expect that while Windows "Vista" Ultimate is in the lead currently, Windows "Vista" Home Premium will overtake it in numbers of users.

Stephen H. Fischer

Hi,

From the "Windows Vista Inside Out" Book:

http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/books/9361.aspx


Users of the Business, Enterprise, and Ultimate editions of Windows Vista can use the
Local Security Policy console to modify the behavior of UAC.
Start Local Security Policy(Secpol msc) and open Security Settings\\Local Policies\\Security Options.
In the details pane, scroll down to the policies whose names begin with User Account Control .
For each policy, double-click it and click the Explain tab for information before you decide upon a setting.

If you or anyone has the time, please check this and report back.

Found first at:

To view/set the UAC security settings with Security Policy Manager

There is other useful information there.

Stephen H. Fischer

Hi,

This is a work in progress for a detailed guide to installing the "MyHD" and "CW_EPG" software on Windows "Vista".

Please check it carefully against your experiences and report any errors, omissions or differences from your installation.

"CW_EPG" is optional but this guide assumes that you will be installing and using it and wish to have the best experience.

The "MyHD on Vista Goal 1: Power failure recovery." will be the resulting system.
The requirement of "UAC" turned on will NOT be addressed at this time.

A simplified guide for those "MyHD" users who do not wish to use "CW_EPG" will be prepared later.

This guide is for Windows "Vista" Ultimate, a version for Windows "Vista" Home Premium will also be prepared later.

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The following are my notes during the preparation for installing the "MyHD" and "CW_EPG" software.
They are not part of the guide and will be removed later.

1. "UAC" is turned OFF!
2. "Nani-Teton" is an Administrator Account on HTPC "Teton".
3. Installed all device drivers, Sound CPL still is a problem but working.
4. Working from "Bosie" (Win "XP SP2" Laptop) using remote Desktop.

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1. Deleted "MyHD" Shortcuts from Desktop.
2. Closed "MyIRC" and "CW_Mon" Tray programs.
3. Fusion Remote System Tray Icon throws errors upon Startup, left running (Still works).
4. UnInstalled "MyHD" Application.
5. Removed "MyHD" and "MyHD CW_EPG" folders from "Program Files"
6. Using Device manager uninstalled "MDP-100 Video Capture" device and deleted the driver
   software for it using the check box.
7. Using Device manager uninstalled "MyIRC USB Remote Receiver" device and deleted the
   driver software for it using the check box.
8. Rescanned for hardware changes and both devices showed up under "Other Devices"
9. Deleted "CW_EPG" key from registry.
10. Deleted "CW_EPG" and "MyHD" keys from "Virtual Store" in the Registry.
11. Searched for "MyHD", "MyIRC", "CW_EPG" and "CW_Mon" in the Registry and deleted
    most of the keys found. Some "MyIRC" keys could not be removed and others were left as
    they were expected to not affect the installation process.
12. Deleted "MyHD" and "CW_EPG" folders from "Virtual store".
13. Cleared "Nani-Teton" "Temp" Files.
14. Cleared Windows "Temp" and Recycle bin.

Note! The above was done in an attempt to reset my system to prior to installing the "MyHD" and "CW_EPG" software so that I would see what new users see during the installation process. It is NOT necessary to do this when reinstalling "MyHD".

If I missed anything, please tell me ASAP.



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03/04/2007 20:24

Starting Windows "Vista"
No Fusion Remote Errors.
No "MyHD" or "MyIrc" request to install software.
Got sound to work, Still no WinV driver available.

Earthlink PCC updated Virus defs.
Ran Windows defender and updated Definitions.

Looked at movies for next week using MCE.

Connected to Bosie via "Ad-Hoc" Wireless but Bosie cannot see Teton.
Remote Desktop did not connect.
Bosie has no internet access.
Teton cannot see shared folder on Bosie.

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Following hdinlexky2's "XP to Vista upgrade with MDP-130" with modifications.

Set "XP SP2" campatility mode on "MyHD_App_Drv 1.66.1E.exe".
Did not set run as Administrator.
Started installer.

Clicked OK when told the "MyHD" card and "MyIrc" must be plugged in to install drivers.

They ARE installed and working just fine on "XP SP2". (Dual booting with WinV)

Clicked OK when told to allow "Unsigned driver installation.

Clicked "Install this driver software anyway" to allow driver installation for "MyHD".

Clicked "Install this driver software anyway" to allow driver installation for "MyIrc".

Cleared checkbox for "MyHD" to associate with "TP" files, I use drag and drop for "MyHD" to play "TP" files.

Cleared checkbox for "TitanTV", I use "CW_EPG"!

Clicked next on "Select Components" panel.
Allowed my computer to be restarted when I clicked "Finish"
Computer restarted.

Windows Firewall needed to be told "MyIrc" should not be blocked.
Got message "MyIrc" not found"

Files are located in the MDP 130 directory: "C:\\Program Files\\MyHD".
Set compatibility mode to "WinXP SP2" for the following files: TitanTvHelperApp.exe, MyIRC.exe, MyHD.exe.

Restarted Computer.
Computer restarted with NO messages. Clicking on "MyIrc" in notice area showed no programs scheduled. Looks good!

Clicked on "MyHD" icon on Desktop and "MyHD" started and displayed ANALOG Channel "A 02". (Overlay Mode)

No Sound. Opened "MyHD" control panel and cleared "Analog Cable Out" checkboxes. Now had sound from ANALOG Channel "A 02".

Opened "MyHD" control panel and made numerious personal choices.

Tried "Digital" Auto channel scan on Antenna 1".
Did not work! No "STOP" Button appeared.
I had failed to select "AIR" as I have OTA only.
Closed panel and "MyHD" with no problem.

Clicked on "MyHD" icon on Desktop and "MyHD" started.
Manually added "Digital" 12. (KNTV-DT channel 11.1, 11.2 both appeared)

Now had DTV. Clicked on HD and VGA output changed to Full Screen.
Pressed HD button on "MyIrc" Remote and display returned to Windows "Vista" desktop.

Tried "Digital" auto scan again. This time it worked on Ant1.
Did "Digital" auto scan again. This time on Ant2. Much faster with "Air" selected. But the two channels on this antenna needed to be added manually while moving antenna.

Set up "Favorite Channels.

Very good setup experience setting up "MyHD" on Windows "Vista".

The only problems were due to "Operator Error"

03/04/2007 21:53
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"MyHD" on Windows "Vista" checklist.

1. Windows "Vista: Version: Ultimate
2. Windows "Vista Updates Applied: ALL
3. "UAC" Status: OFF
4. "MyHD" Installed with XP SP2 Compatibility: YES
5. Using Administrator Account: YES
6. Running "MyIRC" with XP SP2 Compatibility: ON
7. Running "MyHD" with XP SP2 Compatibility: ON
8. Running "MyIRC" with Administrator Mode: OFF
9. Running "MyHD" with Administrator Mode: OFF
10. Running "CW_EPG" with XP SP2 Compatibility: ON
11. Running "CW_EPG" with Administrator Mode: OFF
12. Running "CW_Mon" with XP SP2 Compatibility: ON
13. Running "CW_Mon" with Administrator Mode: OFF
14. "MyHD" Software Version: 1.66.1E
15. "MyHD" Device Manager Driver Version: 1.66.1.0
16. "MyIRC" Right Click Driver Version: 1.21.2
17. "MyIRC" Device Manager Driver Version: 1.2.0.0
18. Windows "Vista" is the only OS on HTPC: NO
19. Windows Version Used Most of the time: XP SP2
20. Has any data in this report been changed: YES
21. Date of last Edit: 03/04/2007
22. AVS User: SFischer1
    

"General system conditions.

1. Must Click to allow "MyIRC" to be started: NO
2. Must Click to allow "MyHD" to be started: NO
3. HTPC Account selected and Password
   automatically entered upon starting Computer: YES

"Assumptions and items influcing your selections.

1. Reason for turning "UAC" off - "MyHD" starting produces Error Message: " ............"

"System changes that might affect your system.


Group Policy is not available on Windows "Home and Home Premium".

1. Have any Local machine Security Configuration changes been made?
2. Have any Group Policy Configuration changes been made?
3. Have any Registry entries been added, changed or deleted?

Stephen H. Fischer

Hi,

The "MyHD" was developed in a very sterile environment. It was not tested with any other software. It is intended to be used in that sterile environment. Additionally the initial plan was way too much more than MIT could get done and they have now stopped development. This has left wide holes open for problems as MS has and is changing interfaces that the "MyHD" was getting set up to use but never did.

MS has addressed some problems with "dll's" versions but they have not yet done anything about a very simular problem with "Codecs".

One of the reasons that I am moving to Windows "Vista" is the hope that methods have been introduced to better manage the problems with "MyHD" so that it does not dominate how I use my HTPC.

These methods have not yet been researched and it may be some time until we know how to address problems like you are seeing.

What can we do in the meantime?

1. Have the only software on your HTPC the "MyHD" software.
2. Run as much software as possible on VPC.
   The current version is free and the VPC "Vista" version coming in March will also be free and allow the use of 2-3 additional "Vista" installations with the host computer licenses. (If my memory is correct)
3. As you have done, be prepared to back up to a previous saved state when necessary.
4. Build and maintain a list of software that causes or has problems running on the same computer as the "MyHD".
5. Upgrade to a different HDTV card.

After running "MyHD" on "Vista" for some time I and others will hopefully be able to research how other programs are causing problems with "MyHD" and how it is causing problems with other programs. We then may be able to reduce this unwanted interaction.

I have already started a list of persons willing to help but more help will be needed.

As I said before: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9650472

Stephen H. Fischer

Hi,

Help!

I started a poll with an unlimited time period and I cannot find out how to end it.

I think that I must contact a Moderator, are there any reasons to continue the poll or should I end it now?

Stephen H. Fischer

Hi,

Yes, one of the reasons I had to keep it was to keep a running count of WinV users. (Remember, a Vote can be cast for several versions).

The downsize is that only one poll can be active and I have more poll questions.

One burning question that I have is the number of "CW_EPG" WinV users.

I have reported success with "CW_EPG" and all that is delaying my changing my recommendation for "MyHD" on WinV is either my own success with "MyHD on Vista Goal 1: Power failure recovery." or reports of others success with that goal.

I also want to write a short description of how "MyHD" can be used on WinV.

Often what is lacking from software documentation is a description of how the authors intend it to be used. Sometimes even the authors do not understand how it can be used.

A few posts back you pointed to a message on the "MyHD MDP-130" thread. After I read it I read following messages for any follow ups and discovered what I thought was a "MyHD" problem was a "Windows" limitation.

When running a HTPC using MS Windows you are effectively limited to one user account due to the requirement that the account used for "MyHD" and "Fusion" must be the account logged on when starting a scheduled capture.

Thus I plan to withdraw "MyHD on Vista Goal 3: Fast User switching.".

If you are interested I have some suggestions for a "CW_EPG" poll which I would post there.

I also have some poll questions for all "MyHD" users. It might be necessary for you or someone to start a new thread, "MyHD Main Thread" if the "MyHD MDP-130" thread owner does not wish to oversee poll(s).

Stephen H. Fischer