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Canon HV20 is for real, and looks like an HC3!

post #1 of 132
Thread Starter 
I guess HV20 is indeed coming soon.

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedat...0131_hv20.html

http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/cano...essrelease.php

http://cweb.canon.jp/ivis/hv20/index.html

It seems to answer all the wishes of HV10 owners have for the things they miss on HV10 compared to Sony HC3. And it has much more, like 24p and headphone....

Well I think its going to kill all the Sony HDVs perhaps even their prosumer models.
post #2 of 132
DANG! CMOS

Arigato!


But how about lowlight capability?
Let us pray.
post #3 of 132
check the specs, lowlight seems improved vs HV10, 3lux (vs 5lux for hv10), roughly same for night mode. Have to wait for actual recordings to see about noise...
post #4 of 132
Nice job finding this info. My HV10 is still in the mail...

Not vertical anymore and full 1080 in addition to the HDMI and 24p. I think you are right about pulling ahead of the Sony's.
post #5 of 132
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Originally Posted by cgould View Post

check the specs, lowlight seems improved vs HV10, 3lux (vs 5lux for hv10), roughly same for night mode. Have to wait for actual recordings to see about noise...

I didn't see the specs in the japanese language link or the hdvinfo link. I guess I read it too fast. Where is it? HERE?

Ahha! I see! You posted links in the other thread. Thanks.

EDIT: and I see GodobeHD has now edited his post to include the other link as well.

Thanks!
post #6 of 132
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Originally Posted by sledge1234 View Post

Nice job finding this info. My HV10 is still in the mail...

Agreed, very nice job.

I would return the HV10 unopened.
post #7 of 132
The hdvinfo link says availability in April (supposedly this year as the announcement is this year and no year after "April" is stated).
The Canon site (see other HV20 link) states availability in March 2008.

I hope it's this year.
post #8 of 132
Man that was a close call. Almost bought the Hv10 - and hesitated since there was so much fuss about how crappy the form factor was.

My biggest gripe was no HDMI and form factor, and they fixed both...for a lower initial price point (and better low light levels to boot).

Wonder how Sony will respond here? Looks to be an HC7 killer with the specs.
Way to go Canon!
post #9 of 132
Do we know what media it records to? Or what compression codecs it will be using?
post #10 of 132
HDV

So you're talking about 25Mbps tape and MPEG2-TS. The good thing is that there are more editing programs that support HDV than newer cams like AVCHD.

This is a nice update for Canon. This is now my ideal choice for a camera.
post #11 of 132
US Press release - http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedat...0131_hv20.html

"Among the new features within the Canon HV20 HD Camcorder is an Advanced Accessory Shoe capable of accommodating such additional components as select external video lights or directional microphones. The HV20 HD Camcorder also features microphone and headphone input terminals with manual level control for professional quality audio recording and a 24p Cinema Mode..."

And photos - http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedat...pkit_hv20.html




"The Canon HV20 HD Camcorder kit includes a compact power adapter, a wireless remote control, the new, and energy efficient BP-2L13 battery pack, a stereo video cable, a USB cable and a component video cable. In stores in April, the HV20 HD Camcorder carries an estimated selling price of $1099*. "
post #12 of 132
Thread Starter 
Now I really have to think about ebaying my beloved HV10.
post #13 of 132
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Originally Posted by GodobeHD View Post

Now I really have to think about ebaying my beloved HV10.

I just received my HV10 today, but still have time to return it.
post #14 of 132
Thread Starter 
Lucky you and good for you!
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post #16 of 132
I think I've read elsewhere that the Sony proprietary shoe isn't the same size as a standard accessory shoe so that you can't attach third party accessories to the camera without an adaptor. Is the same true for the Canon proprietary shoe?
post #17 of 132
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Originally Posted by cschulte View Post

I think I've read elsewhere that the Sony proprietary shoe isn't the same size as a standard accessory shoe so that you can't attach third party accessories to the camera without an adaptor. Is the same true for the Canon proprietary shoe?

I guess that same is true if you intent to power the accessories via the shoe. If you only use it as a mounting bracket you should be able to fit more or even any accessories.
post #18 of 132
Yeah - understand that the you can't power third party accessories through the proprietary shoes. It was my understanding that the actual mechanical bracket is smaller on the Sony than the standard bracket so that accessories won't even fit on the Sony. Just wanted to hear from Canon users if Canon shoes are standard-sized.
post #19 of 132
Now THAT is a little better!! Hated the look of the HV10.... but this.... think I may trade in the HC3!

Can't seem to find if it has night vision though.... I use that alot on the HC3... Anybody know if it's got??
post #20 of 132
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Originally Posted by GodobeHD View Post

I guess HV20 is indeed coming soon.

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedat...0131_hv20.html

http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/cano...essrelease.php

http://cweb.canon.jp/ivis/hv20/index.html

It seems to answer all the wishes of HV10 owners have for the things they miss on HV10 compared to Sony HC3. And it has much more, like 24p and headphone....

Well I think its going to kill all the Sony HDVs perhaps even their prosumer models.

Godobe, yes indeed, this will be THE killer cam. There will be absolutely no small cam like it. Many big cams will envy it!
post #21 of 132
I wonder if the "cinema mode" is really 24 fps or just has the effect but still 30 fps like Sony's effect?
post #22 of 132
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Originally Posted by GodobeHD View Post

Now I really have to think about ebaying my beloved HV10.

You and I think alike. It would be really tough to do, but the HV20 may be just too hard to pass up!
post #23 of 132
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

I wonder if the "cinema mode" is really 24 fps or just has the effect but still 30 fps like Sony's effect?

It is a true 24p mode. It also has a "Cinema" setting that is the same Cinema setting as Cinema #8 in the big Canons. Don't ask me what "Cinema #8" is, but it follows the same picture parameters as that setting in the Canon A1/G1.
post #24 of 132
So is there a firm release date? Canon site says March 2008. Hdvinfo say April (supposedly this year). I vote for the latter.

This really does sound like it might be a great camera.
post #25 of 132
Does it still record in 1440 by 1080i resolution?
post #26 of 132
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

It is a true 24p mode. It also has a "Cinema" setting that is the same Cinema setting as Cinema #8 in the big Canons. Don't ask me what "Cinema #8" is, but it follows the same picture parameters as that setting in the Canon A1/G1.

I'm hoping March 2007. Due date is in April.
post #27 of 132
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Originally Posted by x_filed View Post

Does it still record in 1440 by 1080i resolution?

It records the image in 1920x1080 p/i but only outputs in HDV which is 1400x1080 only. If a camcorder is in the HDV format, it will never be 1920x1080!
post #28 of 132
Release date listed - April 6
HV20 pre-order
post #29 of 132
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by paintit77 View Post

It records the image in 1920x1080 p/i but only outputs in HDV which is 1400x1080 only. If a camcorder is in the HDV format, it will never be 1920x1080!

Actually you may be able to capture 1920x1080 original DV off the HV20. There is an HDMI card that came out a few months ago and it was designed JUST for this purpose:
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/
It captures the uncompressed video stream off the Sony HC3(before it is encoded onto the miniDV tape). Now with HV20's outputting 1920x1080 you may be able to for the first time capturing 1920x1080 digital stream from an HDV cam. And better yet if you can set this up with a small laptop you have an HDD cam with a huge storage as well.
post #30 of 132
Has anybody been able to find size/weight specifications for this? Just curious
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