Nielsen/VideoScan sales ratios and Top 5 - Page 13  

Wow, somebody's testy. I quoted the movie "Animal House" verbatim, as it was on topic, and it's been deleted?

I wonder how long before the entire BR/HD-DVD forum is put on hiatus...

1. No offense, but I won't touch your "planned" releases. That horse is badly beaten.

2. My point is BD has caught up and possibly surpassed HD DVD in total disc sales extremely quickly! Not even Fox predicted it would happen this fast.

But you're right. Time will tell.

Even better:

"When you know you are wrong, its easier to dismiss the question then to admit your ignorance."

If I'm wrong, prove it. Don't pretend to know something when you so obviously don't.

If you've followed this thread long enough, you'll recall that it was a little over a year ago when BD supporters first claimed that HD DVD was dead. There were polls put up asking if people thought HD DVD would survive 2006, etc. BD clearly had homicide in their hearts, but they somehow couldn't couldn't complete the act.

So when BD declared themselves the winners before, they only got it thrown back in their face when HD DVD rose from the grave and even went on to lead the mindshare. HD DVD did this by having a better product at it's launch then BD had at it's launch. For whatever reason, the PQ was simply better on HD DVD than BD, and that gave HD DVD a new lease on life. That gave them the lead in mindshare, as well as the lead in sells.

Yet here we are again, nearly a year after BD's originally planned victory lap. Once again, people are planning their BD victory parties and declaring the format war over. One would think that past experiences would make people a little more conservative with their predictions, but apparently not.

I have to agree with Darin when he wrote:

BD has the lead now, and it's up to HD DVD to do something about that. But I think it's a little early to suggest that HD DVD should throw in the towel. There are still plays to be made yet.

OK, joshd, we get it. Yours is much bigger than his.

Careful now. Forum rules.

And I believe it is closer to...

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"

Abraham Lincoln.

Also, "fool," to me is a bit less insulting than your word.

The "something" that HD-DVD needs to do may not be enough. Announcements of titles must ramp up pretty quickly. Universal need to take up the slack that Disney and Fox created on the BD side. Not having solid announcements for February onwards creates a huge uneasiness for HD-DVD supporters.

The presence that US$150M is going to buy in retail space is not going to buy Sony, Disney or Fox for their contents in the retail rack. Players may be cheap but content rules. Unlike when the first BD player launched, a HD-DVD promotion now is also dampened by the shadow created by the PS3.


fuad

Thirded.

Hey! It's back open!

Did Mark have a change of heart?

I responded to skogan in PM when the thread closed. I just want to put our responses on record...

Me,

"I have followed THIS thread, but I must admit I did not follow as closely way back then. I was not aware of that. If that is the case, then your points here are very valid.

I'm guessing you are aware that the problem with picture quality was a big mistake on BDs part and has been resolved. Many HD-BD converts have reported that some BDs look and sound better than their HD DVD equivalents."

Take care,

Sketch


skogan,

"Hi,

I only quoted your post as a reference, I didn't mean to make my post point at you. I see I used the word "you" when I should have said "one" to show that I was making a general statement. So I apologize if it looked like I was directing that at you.

Yeah, the problems in BD PQ were likely due to poor masters and perhaps Sony didn't know that the bar was being set so high in the beginning. But it looks like that is all taken care of now, and pq is roughly even between the two formats."


Me,

"Thanks to the war/competition."

and

"...thanks for clearing that up

Have a good day"

Sketch

No, it's just that they're both basically on target and are arguing semantics.

From Wikipedia:

Just to add.
We have a PS3.
We have bought and rented BD discs.
We still just use the PS3 game remote.
I'm sure many others buying and watching BD discs still haven't bought the dedicated remote yet...

"arguing semantics"

what would this place be without that I kid

I haven't.. I don't need it but the woman would like it as the PS3 controller is very sensitive, especially when moving it etc it is easy to bump the shoulder buttons.

Unfortunately the stores (Best Buy, Circuit City and Fry's) all seem to be sold out around me (silicon valley) just as the PS3's are still sold out.

Does anyone else think this might be the end of Home Media Magazine reporting those numbers? I can see many people upset that this information is being relayed for free.

Agreed.

Hmm, I expected more sales for HD DVD discs since the inception.

The reason that HD DVD fanatics claimed it was dead was because Blu-ray did a (well-documented) abhorrent launch that was so difficult to imagine could happen, that the only logical conclusion was that it was a trainwreck. And it wasn't just "HD DVD fanatics". A (well-documented) boatload of Blu-ray supporters returned their Samsungs feeling that Blu-ray was going nowhere. So it wasn't just a flippant "Blu-ray is dead" vibe going on, it was a reasonable, if somewhat emotional, reaction to the events at the time. No such reasonable statement can be made at this time. HD DVD has many times over proved it's worth as a next-generation optical format, and claiming it's death is flame-provoking, unreasonable commentary, to say the very least.

Well, I for one dread the day that either format announces its death. All the immature "I told you so" people will be out in droves on this and many other forums. I've already gotten a taste of whats to come by this thread alone.

The death of a format will be so obnoxious. That the lot of people making premature speculations in this thread will seem cool and calculated.

Well, we can only hope for the best.

However, it is my opinion that when the writing is truly on the walls, those on the losing team who accept it will be spared. Those who want to fight to the last breath, may be in for it.

I have pointed out before in this thread where die-hard HD DVD fans that posted a sense of loss over this topic were not responded to by thier "opponents;" only their teammates in attempts to rally them back.

I have seen several times where ultra die-hard HD DVD fanatics with histories of blasting BD at every turn, were quietly taken in upon their announcement of going neutral.

Regardless of who wins, I hope that I am right about my belief in the abilites of even our toughest fighters to be civil if/when the time comes.

Two million as "regular" BD players, but how many as occasional players?

You also have up to 8 million potential customers waiting in the wings with only the right title and the cost of a movie needed to sell the format to that user, something HD-DVD can't hope to compete with.

There probably won't be a big announced death or obituary. One format (or both) will just gradually fade away.

But it could happen that both formats gain enough support that each will live independently of how well the other does. For example, like UMD, BD could exist as a movie format for PS3 users - even if HD DVD has a lot more sells. Conversly, HD DVD could also exist as a movie format for the xbox 360, and get enough sells that way that it could find support independent of what happens on the PS3.

mod

if you want the thread to remain open

excercise a bit of self restraint

yup, pretty much what I've observed as well.

The point is, all you're doing is countering speculation with more speculation. Ones in this thread are no better and know no more than the very people they are arguing with.

The point is, there is nothing to argue in this thread except opinions and neither side is likely changing the others mind.

Anything could happen. Thats goes both ways. So no point in putting a trophy up on the pedestal yet.

You're right, of course.

I know, its a burden i've come to accept

Funny, I look forward to that day - only because I think the opposite will happen. All the recent hardcore "fanboys" that jumped into this forum will disappear when they don't have anyone/anything to argue about and insider postings will probably decline when they don't have a product to push or spread FUD against the competition. Hopefully, some insiders will stick around just to discuss issues and provide help. But the discussions should return to something more civilized like the other areas on AVS (except the gaming forums of course!)

Is this a joke post? You act like this is some sort of mafia thing. I doubt very much anyone cares if the Blu Ray nutts welcome them with open arms. Seriously, you are all just jumping to conclusions and screaming victory from the rooftops just as you have always done when there was even the slightest hint that things were going your way.

Ask yourself this question before you declare it all over...

The HD DVD group got into this battle expecting to fight a PS3 that would have already sold about 4 million units. Do you really think they have any plans to ditch now that they are facing numbers an order of magnitude LESS than they had anticipated battling in the first place?