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post #11281 of 11556
The order of magnitude for the scaling for the new release Blu-ray and DVD sales can maybe be judged by looking at the normal attrition from last weeks leading titles Hugo and Puss and Boots to this new week.



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This historical data has been updated below with more current information.
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This historical data has been updated below with more current information.
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This historical data has been updated below with more current information.
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Complete Historical Trend Slide Set as online PDF Week Ending 03/03/12

Complete Nielsen Videoscan Weekly Sales Report Slide Set as online PDF Weeks 02/25/12 - 03/11/12/



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post #11286 of 11556
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Disney Preps 30-Plus Movies for First-Time Blu-ray Release

16 Mar, 2012
By: Chris Tribbey




Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment will release more than 30 catalog titles for the first time on Blu-ray Disc in 2012 the studio announced March 16, with some titles celebrating 10th, 15th and 20th anniversaries.

“We receive many requests and comments from consumers seeking specific titles they’d like to own on Blu-ray and, as such, we carefully selected a number of popular films that will satisfy demand from fans worldwide,” said Lori MacPherson, EVP of product management for The Walt Disney Studios. “As we grow our Blu-ray catalog we will continue to utilize the best technologies to provide the most pristine and immersive in-home experience of our films.”

This summer the studio will release Father of the Bride and Bringing Down the House May 15; The Color of Money, Cocktail and Ransom June 5; Sister Act and Evita June 19; and The Horse Whisperer, Under the Tuscan Sun, Phenomenon, Step Up, Home On The Range and Treasure Planet July 3.

This fall will see Adventures in Babysitting, Grosse Pointe Blank, Romy and Michele’s High School Reunion, The Rescuers, High Fidelity, Ed Wood, Judge Dredd, Ghost of the Abyss 3D, Lady And The Tramp 2: Scamp’s Adventure, Pocahontas, The Tigger Movie, The Aristocats and Pete’s Dragon.

Beginning in October Disney will release Hocus Pocus, Arachnophobia, The Hand That Rocks The Cradle, Son of Flubber, Cold Creek Manor, The Santa Clause Trilogy, The Absent-Minded Professor, Flubber, While You Were Sleeping, Sweet Home Alabama, Beaches, Babes in Toyland, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, Brother Bear and Dick Tracy.


http://www.homemediamagazine.com/blu...-release-26706
post #11287 of 11556
Here are the movies again:

Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment will release more than 30 catalog titles for the first time on Blu-ray Disc in 2012 the studio announced March 16, with some titles celebrating 10th, 15th and 20th anniversaries.



This summer 2012:

May 15

Father of the Bride
Bringing Down the House

June 5

The Color of Money
Cocktail
Ransom

June 19

Sister Act
Evita

July 3

The Horse Whisperer
Under the Tuscan Sun
Phenomenon
Step Up
Home On The Range
Treasure Planet

Fall 2012:

Adventures in Babysitting
Grosse Pointe Blank
Romy and Michele’s High School Reunion
The Rescuers
High Fidelity
Ed Wood
Judge Dredd
Ghost of the Abyss 3D
Lady And The Tramp 2: Scamp’s Adventure
Pocahontas
The Tigger Movie
The Aristocats
Pete’s Dragon


Beginning in October 2012


Hocus Pocus,
Arachnophobia
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle
Son of Flubber
Cold Creek Manor
The Santa Clause Trilogy
The Absent-Minded Professor
Flubber
While You Were Sleeping
Sweet Home Alabama
Beaches,
Babes in Toyland
Atlantis: The Lost Empire
Brother Bear
Dick Tracy
post #11288 of 11556
A bunch of those are on my first day purchase list.

Besides the good showing of those live action family movies there is a lot of classic and more recent Disney animation there as well in the fall that will do well for families on Blu-ray combos as well.


Treasure Planet
The Rescuers
Lady And The Tramp 2: Scamp’s Adventure
Pocahontas
The Tigger Movie
The Aristocats
Pete’s Dragon
Atlantis: The Lost Empire
post #11289 of 11556
HBO's award-winning fantasy drama "Game of Thrones" has earned a new crown: the largest first-week DVD sales among any series in the cable network's history.

Season one DVD sales reached about 350,000 units in the first seven days following its March 6 release, the network said on Thursday. That pace ranks ahead of other popular HBO series including "The Sopranos," "Sex and the City" and "True Blood."

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/w...bos-dvd-sales/


So i guess that # is dvd + blu ?
post #11290 of 11556
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Originally Posted by dcowboy7 View Post

HBO's award-winning fantasy drama "Game of Thrones" has earned a new crown: the largest first-week DVD sales among any series in the cable network's history.

Season one DVD sales reached about 350,000 units in the first seven days following its March 6 release, the network said on Thursday. That pace ranks ahead of other popular HBO series including "The Sopranos," "Sex and the City" and "True Blood."

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/w...bos-dvd-sales/


So i guess that # is dvd + blu ?


Maybe.

If Immortals did around 1.2 million units and 44% overall BD marketshare including Walmart that would seem to calculate out to more total units. We'll know better soon.

But its an expensive box set and had a non Walmart Nielsen Videoscan Blu-ray marketshare of 56.73% so that's a bunch for Blu-ray.
post #11291 of 11556
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Originally Posted by bruceames View Post

Well I was just giving an example of negative spin, by playing devil's advocate.

I agree that sell-through will be around for a long time, perhaps forever.

Well total OD packaged media sell through will continue to decline over the years as there are just more options available now than there were in the prime of DVD. But its still going to be large for many years to come.

But the studios will always want a sell through option as its higher transaction price, higher margin and higher profit than rentals. Some consumers will always be willing to pay reasonable prices for ownership as well.

So far this year through 10 weeks with OD sell through only being down -1.3% for the year that's pretty much almost stabilizing the sell through attrition from last year to this year. Lot of year yet to go but its a pretty good start.

Still a lot lower than at DVDs peak but keeping that OD attrition moderated and finally having Blu-ray's growth get closer to covering DVDs attrition would be a significant benchmark if it can be sustained throughout the year.





post #11292 of 11556
It's encouraging and almost unbelievable to see that list of Blus from Disney. My first day purchases:

BABES IN TOYLAND
ADVENTURES IN BABYSITTING
THE ABSENT-MINDED PROFESSOR
FLUBBER
SON OF FLUBBER
ED WOOD

I was pretty discouraged last week after seeing titles like THE GRAPES OF WRATH and JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH show up at Screen Archives. My thought was, "So this is how Blu-ray dies...first Sony and now Fox give up on catalog titles and it all comes crashing down".

Who would have believed that Disney, of all people, would be putting out classic live action titles?
post #11293 of 11556
A few posts of mine from another site on the subject of the Disney releases.

As rhe user base gets larger and family adoption rises for Blu-ray is just makes more economic sense for deeper catalog titles to show up more and more on Blu-ray.

Still waiting for some a the classic Disney live action like The Black Hole Swiss Family Robinson etc but those probably make more sense in 2013 after the user base expands once again in the fall of 2012.



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Originally Posted by Kosty View Post

30 Disney catalog titles here in the May through December time frame with more possibly coming as well. That's 30 titles in 8 months being announced here so at least your math is a bit off in that average.

The simple fact that Disney is making the announcement means they think it is to their advantage and is a positive thing for promoting Blu-ray.

A lot of those titles will have some impact on Blu-ray sales to families over the course of the year.

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Originally Posted by Kosty View Post

According to the DVDRR Disney released 435 catalog titles between 1997 and 2008 on DVD which was less than other studios as they have less of an overall library.

Added to what they already have released this year and in the past on Blu-ray it seems that not only is this an increased pace for these deeper catalog titles its in line with what they have done in the past.

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Originally Posted by Kosty View Post

Or Disney is seeing that family adoption of Blu-ray and the growing percentage of Blu-ray unit sales across all genres has reached a tipping point where the unit sales of these types of titles will be at a level that make sense for them now to release.

They also have to allocate their remaining library assets across more years of Blu-ray growth and viability.

Deeper catalog titles make more economic sense to release when the user base is larger and household penetration and family adoption of Blu-ray is more common.

Hardly surprising that these types of titles make more sense for Disney to release this year.

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Originally Posted by Kosty View Post

DEG had Blu-ray at 26.49% average for all 2011, HMM had Blu-ray at 25.31% revenue share in 2011, not 20%.

We've had a high of 26.49% already in 2012 and the 2012 average is 23.45%.

But its the steady climb over time and in the past few years that's more relevant to this discussion of Disney's and other studios actions in increasing the pace of catalog releases on Blu-ray in the past year or so. Its clear that the marketshare will be even higher this fall and its the longer trends that Disney and retailers plan on.

It tends to be higher in the fall when most of these titles are going to be released and this fall again it will rise as Blu-ray hardware sales increase once more in the holiday season.

Just over three years ago in 4Q 2008 Blu-ray was at 5% overall revenue marketshare. In 4Q 2011 it averaged 27.02% so that's significant progress in three years.

More so with recently shipped skus as much of the DVD revenue and unit volume is older lower margin legacy inventory.

Blu-ray Top 20 unit share went from 10% in 4Q 2008 three years later to 43.49% in 4Q 2011. HMM had Blu-ray at 39.08% Top 20 Unit marketshare based on the Nielsen Videoscan reports.

So its undeniable that steady progress in being made that the studios and retailers notice.



Actually that's right around the commonly accepted 30% marketshare tipping point where the older generation product is more and more displaced by the newer successor product in marketing theory.

But that's overall revenue marketshare, not new release or new to Blu-ray marketshare or sales which are greater still.

The year over year marketshare trends for Blu-ray in both revenues and new release unit marketshare gains are pretty steady year after year.

They eventually are reaching trigger points where more and more of the older studio library catalog makes economic sense to release at a greater pace than before.

Family Blu-ray adoption also has lagged younger action orientated genre Blu-ray adoption and has only really accelerated in the past couple years.

It makes perfect sense for Disney to go deeper this year than last.




New release unit sales are growing even faster year over year.








Additional Marketshare Trends


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Originally Posted by Kosty View Post

One other consideration is that's a pipeline flow of one to three Disney titles arriving at retail per week for the rest of the year which seems to be a sustainable pace that allows the Disney point of sale and other retailer incentives to have maximum effect.

If Disney released titles at a substantially greater pace the releases would have more of a tendency to step and stumble over each other in retail marketing.

Just like new releases in general showing up each week on a regular basis ecery Tuesday, Disney families that are into routine weekly buys of one or two titles don't need a lot more faster pace of release to add to their shopping cart.

Plus all of this adds to the Disney and other inventory that retailers can now add to in store inventory from all of the 5714 previously released and already scheduled 176 Blu-ray skus in retail availability.

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Originally Posted by Kosty View Post

They announced an additional 30 titles for the eight month period between May and the end of the year.

Its also the type of the titles as they are a bit deeper it seems than previous Disney releases which were more recent or classic animation.

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Originally Posted by Kosty View Post

The period covered here is the 8 months or around 32 weeks from May to June 2012. So an additional 30 titles there from the Disney library is almost an additional 1 extra title per week on top of any new releases or additional titles that may occur. If Disney keeps up with the 23 other titles it did last year for new releases 30+23 = 53 will be an substantially increased pace from last year.


I also did not mean 1-3 titles as an average of two in that sense either. But more so as a variation of as little as one and no more than three Disney titles being sent to retail on a weekly basis for that period. More weeks can have a single title released than those that have three.




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Originally Posted by Kosty View Post

Well I guess I am more patient than you as I have plenty of Blu-ray stacked up to watch.

If you release more obviously they will vary in strength and appeal to various audiences. Kinda harsh to assert that as a group they are all bad. I think the folks at Disney choose them to appeal to families in a pretty diverse way. As I state below I see a few that I want in my collection pretty soon. Not so much in a rush to grab the comedies as they don't benefit as much from Blu-ray or HD.

Besides the Disney animation in red below the bolded titles are ones that I'll probably pick up pretty soon after release for my collection.

The Rescuers and The Aristocats are guilty favorites of mine so I like their announced release.




Here are the movies again:

Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment will release more than 30 catalog titles for the first time on Blu-ray Disc in 2012 the studio announced March 16, with some titles celebrating 10th, 15th and 20th anniversaries.



This summer 2012:

May 15

Father of the Bride
Bringing Down the House

June 5

The Color of Money
Cocktail

Ransom

June 19

Sister Act
Evita

July 3

The Horse Whisperer
Under the Tuscan Sun
Phenomenon
Step Up
Home On The Range
Treasure Planet

Fall 2012:

Adventures in Babysitting
Grosse Pointe Blank
Romy and Michele’s High School Reunion
The Rescuers
High Fidelity
Ed Wood
Judge Dredd

Ghost of the Abyss 3D
Lady And The Tramp 2: Scamp’s Adventure
Pocahontas
The Tigger Movie
The Aristocats
Pete’s Dragon



Beginning in October 2012


Hocus Pocus
Arachnophobia
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle
Son of Flubber
Cold Creek Manor
The Santa Clause Trilogy
The Absent-Minded Professor
Flubber
While You Were Sleeping
Sweet Home Alabama
Beaches
Babes in Toyland
Atlantis: The Lost Empire
Brother Bear
Dick Tracy
post #11294 of 11556
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And where the hell is The Black Hole?

I would like to see that one too as well as more of the classic live action films like Swiss Family Robinson but those are probably in the 2013 time frame after the Blu-ray user base once again increases after the holiday consumer electronics sales season in 4Q 2012 occurs an Blu-ray family household penetration increases even further.
post #11295 of 11556
Some more from that other site:


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But your ignoring 4 months of little to no releases. So in 2012 the average is 1 title every other week. That's not really healthy for a format in it's 7th year..

There are about 6000 Blu-ray releases to date. Your assessment of what's healthy or not is subject to your own biases of course.

Blu-ray is more orientated toward theatrical releases than a lot of the misc stuff that got released early on DVD as well.

DVD RR has Disney with 9 releases to date this year. We are in week 9 or 10 so you can do the math.

Disney clearly had an incentive to hold back on releases during the format war and later than other studios as its library is more family orientated and families were later Blu-ray adopters than the PS3 action genre crowd. So its really from the fall of 4Q 2008 when Disney really stated targeting the family audience more and more with releases.

As family adoption for Blu-ray has increased in the past few years they have done things like BD+DVD combos and early release of POTC 4 with DVD only delay to develop that even more.

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But by now, we all know that Blu-ray has peaked so it's better than nothing

Funny I see all the trends still going up and to the right.

Blu-ray still was up last year even with the new release strength being down significantly and if your evidence of peaking is that the growth slowed when the TBO was down then you can't complain about the growth for Blu-ray being much better in 2012 when releases are better.

Its completely nonsensical to proclaim that Blu-ray has peaked as well if the 2012 growth rate ends up better than it did in 2011.

If the new week coming up for Immortals and Game of Thorns pops up the Blu-ray YoY growth rate some more then you comments make less sense in talking about Blu-ray peaking.

It also would be pretty hypocritical to ignore the release strength consideration from last year's performance while blaming and discounting any increased growth rate on the new releases being better this year as the only reason for Blu-ray's growth. The release strength is a major factor either way.












post #11296 of 11556
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Much like your assessment is as well. And we all know that you will continue to put Blu-ray is the most positive spotlight possible.

However, for most normal people, 30 releases in a year from a studio as big as Disney in the formats 7th year is bad.

The number this year would be closer to 50 not 30 anyway for all Disney releases.

Normal people do not care about this stuff at all, they have no clue on how many releases studios have done or their pace of releases in any way. Most people do not know the studios that made most releases either. Consumers generally only care about what they see in front of them at the point of sale for the most part and that easily can be handled at the retail level by just stocking more inventory of what already is in release.

As long as fresh stuff shows up week after week most normal people do not notice much of this at all. They may wonder about some titles not in release yet but for the most part its below their attention level completely.

As far as other industry or trade concerns I would submit that your point of view would not be that much in sync with most others I have talked with throughout the years as well. So I'm not sure what "normal people" you are talking about except for you projecting your own views into the conversation. None of us that follow this as a hobby are normal from a consumer or industry or retail point of view.

Of course my biases. experiences, observations and contacts all influence my point of view.

So does my assessment of the available facts and information we have on the historical trends.

For example we have data that indicates that for the first 13 years of DVD (1997 - 2009) Disney released 1737 theatrical skus of both catalog and new releases. That 1737/13= 133.6 movies per year for that entire period more than double the current not quite six years of Blu-ray existence from 2006 . Disney's first release wasn't until Sep 2006 either.

So if Disney released 234 titles in the first 6 years of Blu-ray that's well below DVD's pace but pretty much in line with the other studios compared to their DVD pace.

So its not 30 releases its averaging more than 40 releases for Disney for the first 6 years of Blu-ray and its projecting to be over 50 releases this year in 2012. Either way that's an increasing pace of release.

Of course, I suspect nothing they would do would satisfy you. If they released more you would just assert its because they were afraid of Blu-ray peaking soon and if they released the same or less than what they are doing you would complain its not fast enough. When its kinda clear that nothing would satisfy you or stop your complaining it kinda shows where you are coming from.

Nothing wrong with that point of view and I'm glad you share it with us, but its kinda hard to see what would actually satisfy you enough to call something 'good" as opposed to "bad" when it comes to Blu-ray in many of these issues.

I mean if Blu-ray ends up at a higher year over year growth rate than last year would you even call that good?



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Last relevant post from that other site:

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DVD had 100,000s of releases, Blu-ray will never be anywhere that high. (paraphrased)




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Originally Posted by Kosty View Post

Most of those were not studio theatrical movie titles and that's what Blu-ray is best at. Most of the DVD skus released in categories other than theatrical movies will never make any sense to be released on Blu-ray nor will the many multiple sku counts of the same titles exist on Blu-ray like they did on DVD.

The amount of theatrical movies released on DVD is a small fraction of the total DVD release sku count while most Blu-ray skus are theatrical movies.
Most of the skus released on DVD are not studio theatrical movies and a lot of the theatrical movie skus on DVD are multiple re releases and formats like widescreen full screen and special editions that will not exist on the Blu-ray format at all.

But just looking at the studio theatrical catalog and new release theatical categories on the charts below give a better idea of the eligible amount of theatrical movies generally available to be considered for a Blu-ray release. That's a more relevant consideration set than the total title count of DVD skus which have a lot of garbage skus that are obsolete for any sort of Blu-ray release at all.





post #11298 of 11556
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Originally Posted by Dex Robinson View Post

It's encouraging and almost unbelievable to see that list of Blus from Disney. My first day purchases:

BABES IN TOYLAND
ADVENTURES IN BABYSITTING
THE ABSENT-MINDED PROFESSOR
FLUBBER
SON OF FLUBBER
ED WOOD

I was pretty discouraged last week after seeing titles like THE GRAPES OF WRATH and JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH show up at Screen Archives. My thought was, "So this is how Blu-ray dies...first Sony and now Fox give up on catalog titles and it all comes crashing down".

Who would have believed that Disney, of all people, would be putting out classic live action titles?


I think we will see a lot more in the next couple years.

Blu-ray catalog titles were way up last year and I think that will continue to accelerate in the next couple years as well. We will start seeing deeper stuff more and more as it makes more economic sense to release them as time goes on as the user base expands for Blu-ray as well.

As I state below I see a few that I want in my collection pretty soon. Not so much in a rush to grab the comedies as they don't benefit as much from Blu-ray or HD.

Besides the Disney animation in red below the bolded titles are ones that I'll probably pick up pretty soon after release for my collection.

The Rescuers and The Aristocats are guilty favorites of mine so I like their announced release.




Here are the movies again:

Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment will release more than 30 catalog titles for the first time on Blu-ray Disc in 2012 the studio announced March 16, with some titles celebrating 10th, 15th and 20th anniversaries.



This summer 2012:

May 15

Father of the Bride
Bringing Down the House

June 5

The Color of Money
Cocktail

Ransom

June 19

Sister Act
Evita

July 3

The Horse Whisperer
Under the Tuscan Sun
Phenomenon
Step Up
Home On The Range
Treasure Planet

Fall 2012:

Adventures in Babysitting
Grosse Pointe Blank
Romy and Michele’s High School Reunion
The Rescuers
High Fidelity
Ed Wood
Judge Dredd

Ghost of the Abyss 3D
Lady And The Tramp 2: Scamp’s Adventure
Pocahontas
The Tigger Movie
The Aristocats
Pete’s Dragon



Beginning in October 2012


Hocus Pocus
Arachnophobia
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle
Son of Flubber
Cold Creek Manor
The Santa Clause Trilogy
The Absent-Minded Professor
Flubber
While You Were Sleeping
Sweet Home Alabama
Beaches
Babes in Toyland
Atlantis: The Lost Empire
Brother Bear
Dick Tracy
post #11299 of 11556
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Best Buy Pushes 'John Carter'

13 Mar, 2012
By: John Latchem



Just as John Carter is opening in theaters to lukewarm box office reception, Best Buy is touting a promotion for the Disney film. Consumers who buy a Blu-ray of Remember the Titans or either of the “National Treasure” movies at $14.99 each can get a coupon for $8 off a John Carter admission ticket. The offer expires April 7.

Best Buy also offered a $10 savings with the purchase of the first seasons of “Breakout Kings” and “The Killing,” and triple Reward Zone bonus points with purchase of Paramount’s The Adventures of Tintin Blu-ray or 3D combo packs.

Target had exclusive availability of two Universal shows: Fairly Legal: Season One and In Plain Sight: Season Four, at $25 each. Target also gave away an MP3 audio book (touted as having a $30 value) with copies of Anchor Bay’s My Week With Marilyn ($17 DVD, $23 Blu-ray).

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/age...es-john-carter
post #11300 of 11556
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kosty View Post

Here are the movies again:

Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment will release more than 30 catalog titles for the first time on Blu-ray Disc in 2012 the studio announced March 16, with some titles celebrating 10th, 15th and 20th anniversaries.



This summer 2012:

May 15

Father of the Bride
Bringing Down the House

June 5

The Color of Money
Cocktail
Ransom

June 19

Sister Act
Evita

July 3

The Horse Whisperer
Under the Tuscan Sun
Phenomenon
Step Up
Home On The Range
Treasure Planet

Fall 2012:

Adventures in Babysitting
Grosse Pointe Blank
Romy and Michele's High School Reunion
The Rescuers
High Fidelity
Ed Wood
Judge Dredd
Ghost of the Abyss 3D
Lady And The Tramp 2: Scamp's Adventure
Pocahontas
The Tigger Movie
The Aristocats
Pete's Dragon


Beginning in October 2012


Hocus Pocus,
Arachnophobia
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle
Son of Flubber
Cold Creek Manor
The Santa Clause Trilogy
The Absent-Minded Professor
Flubber
While You Were Sleeping
Sweet Home Alabama
Beaches,
Babes in Toyland
Atlantis: The Lost Empire
Brother Bear
Dick Tracy

Wow. With the Miramax movies no longer part of the Disney catalog, they are left with a whole lot of mediocrity, aren't they? Just looking at my DVD collection, I only own one of these titles, and that is because it was free. Take out the classic animation, and Ed Wood is the only one I would pay money for. Ok, maybe Adventures in Babysitting would be worth $5.
post #11301 of 11556
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Projections: 'Tintin' Looks to Emerge From Crowded Field

19 Mar, 2012
By: John Latchem



The end of the first quarter of 2012 is starting to get a little crowded on new-release shelves. For the week ending March 18, several new titles are looking to score a huge debut in a crowded field.

The most likely to top the charts is Paramount Home Entertainment's The Adventures of Tintin, the animated adventure from Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson that scored north of $77 million in U.S. theaters (and about $374 million worldwide).

However, Oscar-lauded The Descendants, a George Clooney vehicle from 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, earned more at the domestic box office, with $81.64 million, and could ride that momentum to a top spot, especially if Happy Feet Two ($64 million) takes family dollars away from Tintin.


With Descendants on a kiosk embargo, Jack and Jill has the edge in the rental market for a second week, probably finishing just ahead of Tintin on the rental chart.

Rank Title Studio Weeks on Chart

Projected Top 3 Sellers for Week Ending 3/18/2012

1 The Adventures of Tintin Paramount New
2 The Descendants Fox New
3 Happy Feet Two Warner New

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/res...ed-field-26701
post #11302 of 11556
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarod M View Post

Wow. With the Miramax movies no longer part of the Disney catalog, they are left with a whole lot of mediocrity, aren't they? Just looking at my DVD collection, I only own one of these titles, and that is because it was free. Take out the classic animation, and Ed Wood is the only one I would pay money for. Ok, maybe Adventures in Babysitting would be worth $5.

Quite a few of those titles did well in theatrical release and home video on DVD in the past on release.

When you are talking about catalog titles not everything is going to meet anyone's fancy but some of those may appeal to a lot of families and consumers.

I think a lot more people will "pay money" for many of those titles even if you would not do so. Disney thinks so too or else they would not would have selected them or announced them in the first place.
post #11303 of 11556
These are some over $100 M titles I already see without checking all the list.

Most others on that list are classic animation or did over $50 M box office


Domestic Box Office

$141,579,773 Pocahontas

$144,833,357 The Santa Clause

$139,605,150 Sister Act

$104,636,382 Phenomenon

$103,738,726 Dick Tracy
post #11304 of 11556
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kosty View Post

These are some over $100 M titles I already see without checking all the list.

Most others on that list are classic animation or did over $50 M box office


Domestic Box Office

$141,579,773 Pocahontas

$144,833,357 The Santa Clause

$139,605,150 Sister Act

$104,636,382 Phenomenon

$103,738,726 Dick Tracy

Anyone who was interested in owning these movies most likely already owns them on DVD. Can anyone honestly say they would pay for the Blu-ray upgrade on these? Pocahontas will sell to those who have to have
all the Disney animation on Blu-ray. The others? Ugh.

About half of that 30+ title list are titles that no one cares about owning on Blu-ray. Right to the bargain bin. I'm really surprised that Disney didn't farm these out to third party suppliers. Maybe Disney has yet to learn what Sony already knows?
post #11305 of 11556
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarod M View Post

Anyone who was interested in owning these movies most likely already owns them on DVD. Can anyone honestly say they would pay for the Blu-ray upgrade on these? Pocahontas will sell to those who have to have
all the Disney animation on Blu-ray. The others? Ugh.

About half of that 30+ title list are titles that no one cares about owning on Blu-ray. Right to the bargain bin. I'm really surprised that Disney didn't farm these out to third party suppliers. Maybe Disney has yet to learn what Sony already knows?

What kind of an argument is that?

Seriously.

Pretty much any catalog title has a higher chance of being owned already on DVD for someone wanting to buy it on Blu-ray. But better performing titles will sell more on Blu-ray on average.

Disney is also unique in that many of its family orientated titles including its animation but also live action are evergreen in that they appeal to new families and new generations.

All of those titles had more than $25 box office that I see and thus will have some noticeable sales on home video on their new to Blu-ray release even if you want to be gloomy about their prospects.

Not every catalog Blu-ray title is going to be Finding Nemo which BTW is probably coming from Disney this year too.
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Wow. With the Miramax movies no longer part of the Disney catalog, they are left with a whole lot of mediocrity, aren't they? Just looking at my DVD collection, I only own one of these titles, and that is because it was free. Take out the classic animation, and Ed Wood is the only one I would pay money for. Ok, maybe Adventures in Babysitting would be worth $5.

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Anyone who was interested in owning these movies most likely already owns them on DVD. Can anyone honestly say they would pay for the Blu-ray upgrade on these? Pocahontas will sell to those who have to have
all the Disney animation on Blu-ray. The others? Ugh.

About half of that 30+ title list are titles that no one cares about owning on Blu-ray. Right to the bargain bin. I'm really surprised that Disney didn't farm these out to third party suppliers. Maybe Disney has yet to learn what Sony already knows?

I think you are pointing out the quandry that all of the studios have with catalog releases. I am sure they have an algorythm for determining what to release and when, and of course a budget and schedule for doing the development and marketing work.

I cannot speak for anyone but myself, so here is my observation. I have yet to repurchase a movie on Blu-ray that I already own on DVD. I know people that do this, however it seems to be the exception not the rule, and is reserved for a few hand picked favorites that really shine in HD.

Would I buy any of the titles on the list? I really need to be sold on a title and its value to me. With ~350 DVDs, a couple dozen Blu-rays, a huge recorded TV library, live satellite and local TV, plus Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu there is not a lot of room for new content. For me it boils down to a two part question. A) If I owned it would anyone in the family EVER watch it. B) Does my value of the movie match the sales price for the title?

Several of titles on the list could pass the "would I EVER watch it" test, most likely none will pass the "does my value match the price" test - at least not until the Blu-ray+DVD copy lands in a bargain bin
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HEARD ON THE STREET Updated March 18, 2012, 5:51 p.m. ET

Wal-Mart Stores Tries to Play Apple's Game

By JOHN JANNARONE

For years, the technology world's best and brightest innovators have failed to outfox Apple AAPL +2.65% . A new dark horse contender: Wal-Mart Stores WMT -0.16% .




The retail behemoth last week teamed up with five Hollywood studios in an effort to stem the continuing decline in DVD sales. The idea behind the effort is to encourage customers to own, rather than rent, movies by making them accessible on the Internet after they are purchased.

Wal-Mart, the country's largest seller of DVDs, will let customers convert physical discs into digital viewing rights in the so-called UltraViolet online library. Customers will then gain access to UltraViolet via Wal-Mart's Vudu site. One catch, customers will have to pay an extra $2 per DVD. They will also have to bring them to a Wal-Mart store. That could prove a convenience for some, or a turnoff to those seeking digital convenience.

The deal could pose a challenge to Apple and Amazon.com AMZN +0.25% on the retail front. Both want users to purchase and store video in their online ecosystems. Attracting more users to a particular video-storage platform, or digital locker, should help to keep users loyal to a particular provider.

Apple has so far declined to participate in UltraViolet, which is designed to let consumers view movies from an array of platforms in addition to Vudu. Instead, Apple has stuck to the closed-architecture model it employs with iTunes music; customers who buy movies on Apple's website need to view them with Apple's software. So far, Apple is at the head of the pack, with 66% of U.S. electronic movie sales and on-demand rentals in the first half of 2011, according to Tom Adams of IHS Screen Digest.

But that leading market share could decline if the Vudu plan works. The strategy is to hook customers on Vudu by moving their existing physical movie collections onto its platform. That would make it more logical to purchase digital copies on Vudu, adding them to existing UltraViolet libraries.

And Wal-Mart has gotten into the game early given that electronic movie sales totaled just 115 million copies last year, versus 664 million physical DVD sales, according to IHS.

It is too early, though, to call a winner in what is the opening stage of the battle to determine how video will be distributed digitally, a key part of the fight to control the digital living room. Walt Disney, DIS +0.58% for instance, isn't part of the Wal-Mart effort, which could disappoint fans of that studio.

And in weighing different companies' moves, it is important to remember how Apple's business model works. The tech giant actually makes very little money from its software. Rather, its hardware is priced high enough to generate the bulk of profits. Since Vudu works on some key Apple devices like the iPad, more on-the-go movie watching may be a good thing no matter which software consumers use.

That is in contrast to Amazon, which probably loses money on sales of its Kindle tablet but depends on online purchases for profits. IHS reckons Amazon has 4% of the electronic movie market, along with 8.5% of DVD sales.

One option for Amazon would be to respond quickly to Wal-Mart when it introduces an UltraViolet-compatible platform. Amazon, which already undercuts Wal-Mart on prices for many items, could give customers free UltraViolet rights on DVDs.

But while it would be easy to check the history of discs purchased on Amazon, the company lacks the physical presence Wal-Mart can use to convert full DVD collections. And Amazon may be in a tough spot to absorb more expenses, given its operating margins have shrunk to virtually zero.

Even if Wal-Mart's effort is only modestly successful, it could keep the bricks-and-mortar player in the movie game.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...405850736.html
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Centris: Blu-ray Player Household Penetration Reaches 26%

20 Mar, 2012
By: Erik Gruenwedel



About one in four homes had a Blu-ray Disc player or capable consumer electronic device in the fourth quarter of 2011, up 47% from the same period in 2010, according to new research.

Horsham, Pa.-based Centris Research disclosed the finding in a quarterly report outlining communication and technology penetration in the home. The Blu-ray data mirrors weekly Home Media Magazine research figures, including that 23% of total disc sales ($36.9 million) revenue came from the high-definition format for the week ended Feb. 25.

It is the Blu-ray market that continues to drive packaged media sales and generate higher margins for studios than standard DVD, disc rentals, transactional video-on-demand and electronic sellthrough. The format is also a foundation in Hollywood’s effort to launch cloud-based digital locker UltraViolet.

Surprisingly, the number of households with a DVD player increased 4% to 91% in the period, compared with 87% in the previous year. The data underscores the notion that average consumer demand for optical disc entertainment remains strong.


In addition, the report – based on 2,000 Internet survey respondents monthly – found that household penetration of time delayed TV programming via digital video recorders (DVR) also increased 4% to 38% from 36% in 2010.

The report also found that HDTV penetration increased 6% to 63%, while high-definition TV service from multichannel video program distributors increased 11% to 42% of households. Households with a TV rose 1% to nearly 100% market penetration.

“The [data] shows that U.S. households continue to purchase a broad range of technologies,” said Bill Beaumont, president of Centris.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/blu...aches-26-26721
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Regarding the Wall Street Journal article:

I again express my disappointment that mainstream media has no concept of Blu-ray.

The article refers to every technology EXCEPT Blu-ray...DVD, Ultravioltet, VUDU, iTunes. No mention of Blu-ray.

On another (non-video) board, there's an off topic forum where I started a large and popular Blu-ray thread. However, there are still MANY posts where somebody will say, "You guys are nut's to pay $25.00 for a DVD because I just bought that in the bargain bin for $5.00". At that point, I will politely explain that we are talking about Blu-ray Discs and not DVDs. Without fail, the response I get is, "They are the same thing".

It's disheartening that, after these, many years, even the Wall Street Journal thinks that DVD and Blu-ray are basically the same thing. Which means, in the opinion of the mainstream media, Blu-ray is part of the sinking DVD ship.

It would be nice if somebody like the WSJ would figure out, "Hey, Blu-ray is NOT DVD...and it's actually doing pretty good."
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Regarding the Wall Street Journal article:

I again express my disappointment that mainstream media has no concept of Blu-ray.

The article refers to every technology EXCEPT Blu-ray...DVD, Ultravioltet, VUDU, iTunes. No mention of Blu-ray.

On another (non-video) board, there's an off topic forum where I started a large and popular Blu-ray thread. However, there are still MANY posts where somebody will say, "You guys are nut's to pay $25.00 for a DVD because I just bought that in the bargain bin for $5.00". At that point, I will politely explain that we are talking about Blu-ray Discs and not DVDs. Without fail, the response I get is, "They are the same thing".

It's disheartening that, after these, many years, even the Wall Street Journal thinks that DVD and Blu-ray are basically the same thing. Which means, in the opinion of the mainstream media, Blu-ray is part of the sinking DVD ship.

It would be nice if somebody like the WSJ would figure out, "Hey, Blu-ray is NOT DVD...and it's actually doing pretty good."

Agreed.

Part of the issue is that from a financial bean counting standpoint Blu-ray is an evolution and extension of the optical disc packaged media sell through model revenue stream and its the next generation DVD. So in that sense Blu-ray is just extending the DVD revenue stream into high definition so even studios and retailers group DVD and Blu-ray together in comparison to streaming and other digital cloud based options.
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