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post #391 of 11556
I don't think an item being in stock affects it's sales ranking. If it did, how would you explain the fact that the #2 HD DVD (Babel), and #4 BD (Open Season) are not even available yet? Heck, the #1 selling title for both formats (The Departed) is still over 2 weeks away from release and yet it's sales ranking has set a record for both formats (up to #54 on BD, #42 on HD DVD).
post #392 of 11556
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Originally Posted by 1loudsuv View Post

it can go both ways a1s that glitch like crazy ps3s that heat up like heaters a1s that lock up ps3s that lock up. a1s that wont play certain dvds and same with a2s. sony and pioneer blu ray players that wont certain olayblu ray discs.. hd-dvd discs that cost more for stupid combos, fox blu ray discs that cost more for a bare bones blu ray disc..

get my point neither format is perfect...

From my experience with both an HD-A1 as well as an RCA hd dvd player...vs the PS3......there is no comparison.

The hd dvd players had numerous playback problems....and the PS3 has had absolutely zero glitches in over a months use while being powered up 24/7.

Its also faster than the majority of sd dvd players out there for function response.

I don't even hear the fan unless I am right at the console ejecting a disc.....and the vast majority of so called heating problems were from the poorly designed kiosks.....not from actual users.

The PS3 is an absolute steal....even if your not into games IMO.
post #393 of 11556
I've been lurking on this one, and I have an observation.

All of this day-by-day counting of sales numbers is pretty ridiculous.

Right now, the sales levels of both BD and HD DVD are so small that a single solid release can cause a major shift in the current sale numbers.

The only sales numbers that will matter in this format war are the quarterly shipment totals for each of the manufacturers and studios. The senior managers at these firms will NOT be making format production decisions based on 15-minute data at www.thedvdwars.com.
post #394 of 11556
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Originally Posted by Neo1965 View Post

thedvdwars.com lists the stock in hand numbers for the titles they can ship. Every ranked title that is not preorder and in stock has a line that reports available stock in amazon.

For example :

The Mummy [HD DVD]
Price: $19.95
Sales rank: 955
Release date: November 28, 2006
Quantity in stock at Amazon: 129

What you can do is wait 15 minutes, watch the rankings and stock in hand. If they go down, see how rankings change.

Can you see where thedvdwars are getting this information from? A quick look over Amazon's site does not yield stock figures for either of the HighDef formats. I'm unclear why this information was not made available earlier on, and has only now been added.
post #395 of 11556
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Originally Posted by Issac Hunt View Post

Can you see where thedvdwars are getting this information from? A quick look over Amazon's site does not yield stock figures for either of the HighDef formats. I'm unclear why this information was not made available earlier on, and has only now been added.

I have no idea how that dvdwars website get their stock numbers. But even the total stock is not very encouraging, especially if we try to see how many disks TOTAL go down in their stock and hence how many disks they sell for all BD or all HDDVD on a daily or hourly basis. Some people with nthing better to do will probably compile the #s and plot some curve or something, but I don't have the energy.
post #396 of 11556
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Originally Posted by SyHD View Post

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/

I think they just added that data. Oh boy ...another number we could use and argue about.

Thanks. I see they don't designate a leader for that graph.

It would be odd for anyone to argue leading in the number of unsold discs is a positive.

Gary
post #397 of 11556
geez, I hate it when people talk about things they dont understand. Statistical signficiance has a very specific meaning, and very small differences can indeed statistically significant. That does not mean that a significant difference is important though.

In a very basic nutshell, statistical significance simply means that the results are probably not due to chance. The two main factors are the effect size and the variabiliity. The likelihood of significance is inversely related to variability. So, in the case of NO variability in the data, then ANY difference is statistically significant.

WNorris gives the example of a game with a score of 8 to 6 is not significant. It could be. If every game were 8 to 6, then the standard deviations would be 0, and it would produce a statistically significant result.
post #398 of 11556
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Originally Posted by Neo1965 View Post

thedvdwars.com lists the stock in hand numbers for the titles they can ship. Every ranked title that is not preorder and in stock has a line that reports available stock in amazon.

For example :

The Mummy [HD DVD]
Price: $19.95
Sales rank: 955
Release date: November 28, 2006
Quantity in stock at Amazon: 129

What you can do is wait 15 minutes, watch the rankings and stock in hand. If they go down, see how rankings change.

Thanks. I finally see what you're talking about. There are very few that show quantoty on the main pages since most titles listed in the top 10, ..., are preorders. If you don't look carefully it's easy to miss.
post #399 of 11556
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post

I'll tell ya why, Monty!!!!!

I too just wanted to know why Lagosian who is so clearly HDdvd biased, (although he says go format neutral in his sig) posts in virtually every BD thread here when all he ever does is blast BD...?
I just re-read dozens and dozens of his posts where all he does is blast BD and Sony and holds up HDdvd to some lofty messiah like standard, all the while saying that, "I have a Sammy..." so it's ok, because he's dual format. He goes into any thread here no matter how trivial and starts sh*t.
What's funnier is I even found this post with him blasting yoyoiner from months back (he has since been banned btw...)

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That's pretty funny. There he was blasting Yoyoiner for what he himself now does here daily. Blasting another format every post.

sheesh, hypocrisy, much...?

all ya gotta do is look at the post history. When is the last time lagosian even said ONE positive thing about BD recently...? yet he's here in virtually every BD thread.


edit:

AHA! Found this post from Lagosian in November...



all makes sense now what he's doing here. He HATES Sony, LIKES the war!
wants both formats to survive! THAT's why he's so Pro-HDdvd now. Because they're the underdog and the tide has been turning towards BD!

but I'll bet he'll deny this even though these are his exact quotes that anyone doing a search can find. Just think, a member who LIKES the war and wants it to continue.... I guess if the new Universal releases really do start to take off and BD stalemates he'll start saying how great BD is so that it will balance out.

Does anyone remember that if it hadn't been for Say, SONY and BD, that next gen HD media would have been red laser? I believe at 720P max...? Sony and BD FORCED HDdvd to uprez...

In the legal system whenever an attorney cross-examines a witness whose testimony (which in reality is true) would be damaging to his/her case, they attack their credibility...NOT THE FACTS!
If you don't like my posts engage me in an intellectual debate, refuting my facts and showing yours to be better or more credible. In other words stop practising the art of "If you can't refute the evidence, attack the poster."

The problem is you believe whatever marketing propaganda that the BDA sells to you because of your blind devotion to a format. "HD DVD is dead" what pathetic drivel! Go online read what anyone not attached to the BDA or HD DVD Promotions are saying; "STALEMATE", "NO CLEAR WINNER", "MORE DUAL FORMAT PLAYERS", "PORN MAY HELP BOOST HD DVD"...etc. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=795364 NO ONE BUT THE BDA POLITICAL MACHINE IS SAYING THAT BR HAS WON AND HD DVD IS DEAD!

Information and news is my trade. We only care about independent 3RD PARTY ASSESSMENTs; not paid drones who print and say what the company wants them to.

All you have done is reaffirmed what I have always said; that I do indeed own both formats, and thus do not care who wins. And that I will refute any false info that comes out of either camp. All you have done here is cut and pasted whatever post you can find to justify your accusations. Anyone can read my posts as well as yours.

Besides, every independent expert has said that both formats are not going anywhere! They are both here to stay (contrary to what the BDA is selling us).
post #400 of 11556
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People say things like this, and it makes no sense. If, and it is a big if, they stop making HD DVDs, guess what. Your player still works. Your HD DVDs still work. You CAN still watch your movies in HD and you DONT need to buy new discs.

It is NOT the case that the BD police are going to come to your house and take your player and your discs.

The same is true if BD goes belly up.

agree with the content but not the conclusion.

let me ask you this. Did you buy movies on VHS? Are you still watching them, did you rebuy the DVD? if so why?

No one is saying there will be a cut off day and the next day nothing will work. But the reality is that there is a good chance that as a consumer you won't want to keep a player for a handful of titles you don't use often. Yes it might take a few months, maybe a few years for some, but the day HD DVD folds its value to an owner goes way down.
post #401 of 11556
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Originally Posted by AnthonyP View Post

Yes it might take a few months, maybe a few years for some, but the day HD DVD folds its value to an owner goes way down.

Which is why we've seen some comments in the BD forum by the "smart ones" who've put their HD DVD players and movies on Ebay/Craigslist.
post #402 of 11556
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Originally Posted by AnthonyP View Post

Yes it might take a few months, maybe a few years for some, but the day HD DVD folds its value to an owner goes way down.

Right. I've never understood the "my player will still work no matter what" argument. Few people would want a player just for a small number of titles when they can rebuy them.

The same is true on both sides except with the PS3. I know that I could sell that with little or no financial loss
post #403 of 11556
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Originally Posted by camaj View Post

Right. I've never understood the "my player will still work no matter what" argument. Few people would want a player just for a small number of titles when they can rebuy them.

The same is true on both sides except with the PS3. I know that I could sell that with little or no financial loss

and you could sell your BDs knowing there are so many PS3 owners that can and will still use them. That is why I did the same as above and sold my HD player and HDs on ebay. I only want one format and one format only.
post #404 of 11556
Perhaps but if BD fails I can't see many PS3 owners wanting the discs. Personally I'd want all my discs in the winning format
post #405 of 11556
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Originally Posted by camaj View Post

Perhaps but if BD fails I can't see many PS3 owners wanting the discs. Personally I'd want all my discs in the winning format

Just saying that as there are over 1 million PS3s sold in the US there is a wide audience to sell BDs to IF they format lost.

As opposed to very few HD players on the market, about 175,000 in the US.
post #406 of 11556
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Originally Posted by camaj View Post

Right. I've never understood the "my player will still work no matter what" argument. Few people would want a player just for a small number of titles when they can rebuy them.

I would be one of those few, camaj. I will have just too many to make getting rid of the player a more attractive option than rebuying all those movies. Anyway, I do have an extra player just in case...
post #407 of 11556
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Originally Posted by camaj View Post

Perhaps but if BD fails I can't see many PS3 owners wanting the discs. Personally I'd want all my discs in the winning format

If Blu-ray loses. It means nothing to PS3. It has to use Blu-ray. The discs will be in production until 2010 at least. It's a proprietary disc - no different than UMD, or Nintendo's mini disc for the Gamecube. It's mainly to limit game piracy.
post #408 of 11556
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Originally Posted by Neo1965 View Post

I have no idea how that dvdwars website get their stock numbers.

All the data comes from calling Amazon's web services. Amazon uses web services to expose an API that developers can call in order to use the data in their own applications.
post #409 of 11556
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Originally Posted by eightninesuited View Post

If Blu-ray loses. It means nothing to PS3.

I wasn't saying otherwise. All I'm saying is I don't believe the movies would be that sought after if HD DVD wins. The PS3 itself will and that's what separates it from a standalone or add-on drive
post #410 of 11556
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Originally Posted by Stromprophet View Post

Just saying that as there are over 1 million PS3s sold in the US there is a wide audience to sell BDs to IF they format lost.

As opposed to very few HD players on the market, about 175,000 in the US.

There are 1 million PS3s SHIPPED. I doubt that that many have been sold.
post #411 of 11556
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Originally Posted by Neo1965 View Post

darinp,

I only took one snapshot over 15 minutes, the 200 spot rise from the 900s to 700s for AVP was when stock went down by 1, ie: sold 1 copy in that 15minute period. I assume that maybe 24 hours previously, no copy sold, and that no new stock arrived within the 15 minutes. Meaning then that to have sold 1 more disk in a 24 hour span, is enough to go from the 900s to the 700s. So 1 disk separates the 700s from the 900s.

My point is that the sales could have happend just before you took the initial snapshot and the sales ranking hadn't been update yet. Those aren't realtime and I've seen things like this. Like when "Superman Returns" showed 3 left in stock, then later showed no more stock left without the ranking improving. Then it improved a little while later.
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Originally Posted by efranzen View Post

I don't think an item being in stock affects it's sales ranking. If it did, how would you explain the fact that the #2 HD DVD (Babel), and #4 BD (Open Season) are not even available yet? Heck, the #1 selling title for both formats (The Departed) is still over 2 weeks away from release and yet it's sales ranking has set a record for both formats (up to #54 on BD, #42 on HD DVD).

It isn't so much being out of stock that matters, but whether things can be ordered. Most things that are out of stock can be ordered. "Superman Returns" on Blu-ray is the one exception I know of for HD DVD and Blu-ray discs. When it goes out of stock it cannot be ordered and its ranking drops pretty fast. Being out of stock but orderable (like delivery for 5-10 days out) could hurt the sales (and ranking) of a movie if some people decide not to order it based on that. If they go ahead and order it despite the item being out of stock, then I imagine that it affects the ranking just like if one had sold while it was in stock.

--Darin
post #412 of 11556
Wow, BD has really pulled way ahead on the www.thedvdwars.com chart. It's almost the reverse of where things were two/three weeks ago, when the lower half of BD titles in the Top 10 were ranked #1,000-1,600 (the opposite is true now). Not good!
post #413 of 11556
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Originally Posted by dad1153 View Post

Wow, BD has really pulled way ahead on the www.thedvdwars.com chart. It's almost the reverse of where things were two/three weeks ago, when the lower half of BD titles in the Top 10 were ranked #1,000-1,600 (the opposite is true now). Not good!

Blu-ray is completely dominating! This war may very well be decided by the end of 2007.

Its never too late for an HD-DVD fan to make the switch to support the winning format.



Oh, I updated the original post too! check it out!!
post #414 of 11556
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Originally Posted by dad1153 View Post

Wow, BD has really pulled way ahead on the www.thedvdwars.com chart. It's almost the reverse of where things were two/three weeks ago, when the lower half of BD titles in the Top 10 were ranked #1,000-1,600 (the opposite is true now). Not good!

Are we looking at the same graph?
Mine shows:

Jan, 26th - 15:15 --> HD DVD and Blu-ray both at about 500
Jan, 26th - 22:45 --> HD DVD and Blu-ray both at about 540
Jan, 28th - 04:16 --> Blu-ray at 541, HD DVD at 787

The fact that both graphs have crossed each other numerous times over the last few days shows one thing: they're close, very close. Neither has "pulled away".

This graph shows it much better. See how they've been neck to neck ever since Jan, 20th?
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/histo...YPE=25&SPAN=14

Every now and then, one takes the lead, but they cross each other all the time. I don't see any pulling away taking place.
post #415 of 11556
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Originally Posted by krinkle View Post

Blu-ray is completely dominating! This war may very well be decided by the end of 2007.

Its never too late for an HD-DVD fan to make the switch to support the winning format.

Sigh... you have no idea what you are talking about. It's posts like yours that make me want to puke. How much money do you want to bet on your last statement. Willing to put your $ where your mouth is?
post #416 of 11556
What is up with the stock at amazon? according to dvdwars, HD-DVD has far more stock than Blu-ray. If you take that into consideration, it puts Blu-ray even higher in sales and people are less likely to order if a title is out of stock!
post #417 of 11556
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Originally Posted by krinkle View Post

Blu-ray is completely dominating! This war may very well be decided by the end of 2007.

Its never too late for an HD-DVD fan to make the switch to support the winning format.



Oh, I updated the original post too! check it out!!

HD DVD Supporter: Has it ever occured to you that HD DVD supporters are very happy with their format and do not want to change?

BD Supporter: Well they should because BD is the better format.

HD DVD Supporter: How about the fact that the PS3 accounts for 97% of all BD player sales?

BD Supporter: Well that won't always be the case. After HD DVD dies, players will come around.

HD DVD Supporter: Come around how? BD is a lot more expensive to manufacture. So, given sales of PS3, maybe we are then talking then about the PS3 being 99% of all BD player sales? After all, if HD DVD goes away, there is no incentive for BD player manufacturers to lower prices. The PS3 is highly subsidized. And, as the price of the XBox 360 (and Wii) drops, so does the price of the PS3... Assuming PS3 does not drop in price sooner because it currently is not selling very well...

BD Supporter: Well the PS3 is a great BD player, but there are always features that people want that the PS3 does not provide.

HD DVD supporter: Like what?

BD Supporter: Well....

HD DVD Supporter: Do you know only 25,000 standalone BD players have been sold since introduction?

BD Supporter: Well then why are all the studios supporting BD?

HD DVD Supporter: They have been offered incentives to support BD, coupled with the fact that they believe that the PS3 will sell like crazy. Why else would they? Sony is a movie studio as well. Why would a movie studio support it's competitor's format? Answer - subsidies... Sony is losing lots of money fighting this war. Don't you think they will want that money back at some point, like when HD DVD dies?

BD Supporter: But then why are all the CE manufacturers supporting BD?

HD DVD Supporter: Because of their IP in BD: First Meeting of Blu-ray DiscTM Patent Holders Held

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(Denver, Colorado USA - 20 July 2006) - MPEG LA announced today that the first meeting of essential Blu-ray DiscTM patent owners, consisting of 17 companies, was held in Los Angeles on July 6-7 for the purpose of creating a joint license providing fair, reasonable, non-discriminatory access to essential patents, as an alternative to negotiating separate licenses. Participating companies included CyberLink Corporation; Dell Inc.; Hewlett-Packard Company; Hitachi Ltd.; Koninklijke Philips Electronics N.V.; LG Electronics Inc.; Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. (Panasonic); Mitsubishi Electric Corporation; Pioneer Corporation; Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.; Sanyo Electric Co., Ltd.; Sharp Corporation; Sony Corporation; TDK Corporation; Victor Company of Japan, Ltd.; and Warner Home Video Inc.

BD Supporter: OK, but BD has increased capacity and bandwidth.

HD DVD Supporter: Everyone on these boards says HD DVD has great picture and sound. BD is only now starting to equal it. It is hard to believe BD will surpass in sound and picture. How can you surpass what we are seeing on HD DVD? So this is not an issue.

BD Supporter: But BD-50 will allow for more extras.

HD DVD Supporter: Consumers like their extras on a second disc. Makes it seem like they got more for their money. And a second disc is really not an inconvenience. 5 hours of uninterrupted video is not realistic for the average consumer.

BD Supporter: Who care? If BD can provide all this, why not go with that?

HD Supporter: Because it costs way too damn much to replicate. You think that hard coat comes for free?

BD Supporter: But movies cost the same as HD DVD movies. So who cares? It's immaterial.

HD DVD Supporter: You should care. If HD DVD goes away, you will be shouldered with Sony's debt for this whole format war, and extra disc costs. Toshiba hasn't spent much to develop HD DVD; on the other hand Sony has spent billions on blu-ray development.

BD Supporter: Well, over ten years, that will be amortized, so that discs will not cost much. We won't see that in stores.

HD DVD Supporter: Wanna bet? BD 50 costs a fortune to make. BD 25 is very expensive due to hard coat, and has less capacity than HD DVD. BD 50 is only manufactured by Sony...That does not bother you?

BD Supporter: No, because Sony is a great company. And so they deserve my money.

HD DVD Supporter: Have at it then...
post #418 of 11556
^^That's just sad.
post #419 of 11556
Mike Morel, what was the point of that post? I'm failing to understand?
post #420 of 11556
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