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post #121 of 158
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Originally Posted by Styln View Post

So glad the P7 is working out for you Reading your recent experience makes me miss the simplicity it brought to my system, too. It was nothing but well behaved and a joy to operate.

I'm beginning to think I got a bad unit as the transparency just was not there in stereo. Much harder to say in MCH, but if it can't do stereo... what's the point. I may very well try another unit in my system. Other than the stereo sound being less than I'd hoped for, it was really a great piece of equipment at a good price.

Keep it coming!

Styln

What are you using for stereo now? I'll do more comparisons with my Stax after it's a fair shot with the P7 broken in but I'm pretty impressed at this point. As far as transparency goes, I think the P7 is a bit more forward than the Stax but the sound stage is much broader. I expect the forwardness which isn't bad at all, to fade as it breaks in.

I don't really have access to any other hi-end stereo preamps. I have a nice passive preamp but I have always liked what a good active preamp "adds" to the sound; I guess some coloration is good if it's done right. My focus is stereo; I added a big screen and MCH for movies (and spouse). The HT part helps me keep the dedicated room. Therefore, I agree, if it can't do stereo, what's the point?

Sam
post #122 of 158
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Originally Posted by SamKVA View Post

What are you using for stereo now? I'll do more comparisons with my Stax after it's a fair shot with the P7 broken in but I'm pretty impressed at this point. As far as transparency goes, I think the P7 is a bit more forward than the Stax but the sound stage is much broader. I expect the forwardness which isn't bad at all, to fade as it breaks in.

I don't really have access to any other hi-end stereo preamps. I have a nice passive preamp but I have always liked what a good active preamp "adds" to the sound; I guess some coloration is good if it's done right. My focus is stereo; I added a big screen and MCH for movies (and spouse). The HT part helps me keep the dedicated room. Therefore, I agree, if it can't do stereo, what's the point?

Sam

I'm using a Musical Fidelity A3CR http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/m...3cr_preamp.htm pre-amp, a MF Nu-Vista 300 http://www.stereophile.com/solidpoweramps/205/# for an amp, and my front speakers are the Gallo Acoustics Ref 3.1 http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/gallo5/ref31.html, and you know my source is the Oppo BDP-83SE http://www.hometheatermag.com/discpl...u-ray_player/#. By clicking on my profile you can see details of the full system.

Agree that the soundstage was good - very similar to the A3CR. Image placement was good and very solid. And operationally, just a dream. No, the only issue I had was it was just not as clear sounding as what I am used to. If I could get that one issue resolved, I'd buy one tomorrow. I'm starting to think I got a bad unit. It would sure be great if it was something as simple as that. Here's what I'm thinking based on this review http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/pream...w.html?start=3 where he says:

"Stereo System-Sound In my main system I used unbalanced inputs and the balanced outputs of the P 7 in my main system, this is the same connection scheme I use with my standard Simaudio preamp (P5.3).


My first impression was that the sound was good but somewhat veiled compared to more expensive Simaudio. I thought I needed less bass and more treble so I was glad to have the tone controls on the remote. Then tried the tone bypass' button and discovered that I didn't need to adjust levels at all and in fact a lot of the veiling was lifted. I did the rest of my listening without the tone controls. The default setting for the tone controls is that they be in the circuit. If you get a P 7 I recommend trying the bypass straight away."


Now, I experienced the veiled part, but it didn't clear up or change at all when the tone controls were defeated. So I'm thinking it might have been a defective unit.


Styln
post #123 of 158
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I'm using a Musical Fidelity A3CR [url]

Styln

Nice setup!

I've gone back and forth with the Tone Defeat and have noticed very little, if any difference in sound quality unless they are changed from their default settings. I also don't seem to be getting a veiled soundstage. Then again, we all have very different equipment except for the Oppo.

I'm now back to trying to figure out why the output of my EDGE scaler won't work with the Ambery HDMI DAC. I'm beginning to wonder if the EDGE is not outputting sound properly. Of course, having an analog only preamp, I have no way to test its digital sound output, except with the Ambery.

Sam
post #124 of 158
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Originally Posted by SamKVA View Post

Still playing with the P7's 2CH bass management. I like the subs in the mix for some things but not everything. Between the controls on the P7 and the subs, I'm able to very evenly blend in the subs but I haven't perfected it to the point that the P7's controls are enough when going to HT mode. Constantly changing the sub controls is less than convenient.

Sam

At least it's super easy with the bass volume contols on the P7 remote. No need to go into menus.
post #125 of 158
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

At least it's super easy with the bass volume contols on the P7 remote. No need to go into menus.

It is easy but I have the level turned down so low on the subs, I can't get enough out of them by raising the P7 levels for HT. After listening to more music last night, I think I'm going to forgo the subs for 2CH which was my plan from the beginning. I really don't need them and I'm not sure they are a plus SQ wise.

It appears my EDGE is not outputting any audio signal, regardless of source and that's why I can't get it to work properly with the Ambery HDMI DAC.

Sam
post #126 of 158
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I...After listening to more music last night, I think I'm going to forgo the subs for 2CH which was my plan from the beginning. I really don't need them and I'm not sure they are a plus SQ wise...

Sam

Yep, I ditched my sub years ago for music listening... couldn't get it to come out on the right side of the cost/benefit ratio What speakers do you have up front?

Styln
post #127 of 158
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Yep, I ditched my sub years ago for music listening... couldn't get it to come out on the right side of the cost/benefit ratio What speakers do you have up front?

Styln

When I merged my stereo and HT equipment I put the Aerial 10Ts in for the HT fronts. They are a bit dated, but replacing them would be very expensive and they have always been one of my favorites. Prior to that, HT speakers were Monitor Audio Gold 60s for fronts with a full suite of the MA Gold surrounds, center and subs. I'm using an Aerial CC3 for the center and soon to be doing the same for the surrounds.

I now want to sell my entire MA suite and buy one or two Aerial subs. My HT room is currently a mixed bag of stuff, but it's a mixed bag of good (sounding) stuff. This merger/upgrade has had its challenges but I'm getting there.

Sam
post #128 of 158
Quick note to say that as I continue the search for an analog MCH preamp I have purchased an Audio Research MP-1.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=4830

Please don't consider me a P7 basher: I'm far from it. Even now, owning a MP-1 I would prefer to have a P7 in my system as in every way, except the way it sounds in my system, I consider the P7 a better preamp.

Styln
post #129 of 158
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Originally Posted by Styln View Post

Quick note to say that as I continue the search for an analog MCH preamp I have purchased an Audio Research MP-1.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=4830

Please don't consider me a P7 basher: I'm far from it. Even now, owning a MP-1 I would prefer to have a P7 in my system as in every way, except the way it sounds in my system, I consider the P7 a better preamp.

Styln

Interesting. I thought very seriously about the MP-1 but I couldn't find any place that had one I could demo. I have way too much stuff sitting around here now, including some brand new and I didn't want to take a chance on another piece I could not return if it didn't fit my system. I had an LS-25 MKII with a couple AR mono block power amps prior to my Casablanca and they never did much for me. Then again, this level of stuff is so subjective and really needs to integrate well into our systems in order to be happy with it.

I'm very happy with the P7 and curious why you consider it better than the MP-1?

Sam
post #130 of 158
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Originally Posted by SamKVA View Post

Interesting. I thought very seriously about the MP-1 but I couldn't find any place that had one I could demo. I have way too much stuff sitting around here now, including some brand new and I didn't want to take a chance on another piece I could not return if it didn't fit my system. I had an LS-25 MKII with a couple AR mono block power amps prior to my Casablanca and they never did much for me. Then again, this level of stuff is so subjective and really needs to integrate well into our systems in order to be happy with it.

I'm very happy with the P7 and curious why you consider it better than the MP-1?

Sam

Yeah, my audio equipment collection is growing, too. I'm now an amp away from a pretty darn nice second stereo system. Don't think I'll sell the MF A3CR stereo preamp either.

I took a chance based on the reviews and bought the MP-1 on Audiogon figuring I could resell it worse case. But that won't be happening - it's a wonderful sounding MCH preamp that integrates perfectly with my system This is my first experience with AR and I do like the sound. This one is JFET vs tube driven, so it probably sounds quite a bit different than your LS 25 MKII.

What do I prefer about the P7? I like the form factor and the feature set of the P7 better. While both MCH preamps are high-end, I think the P7 has more overal "polish." The MP-1 is sturdier build-wise, but kind of quirky. For example, the unit powers on with mute active. And there is some noise through the speakers when changing inputs. Not much noise, but neither my MF A3CR preamp nor the P7 have any. Feature-wise it would have been nice to have a headphone jack and bass management (just in case someone gives me a REL ). Been without those features for a long time, so I'm not losing anything, but I'm not gaining them either. Oh, and the P7 manual is a thing of beauty vs the MP-1s which is merely functional... goes back the polish comment.

So, it's easy for me to understand why people like the P7 and explains why I'm a little bit disappointed it didn't work out in my system. Very glad it's working out well for you!

Styln
post #131 of 158
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Originally Posted by SamKVA View Post

All of this is of course my opinion but: 2 channel sound is better than any other multi-channel pre/pro I've owned, including the Casablanca and rivals+ some of the best 2 channel preamps ever built. Same is true for multi-channel sound but I have limited experience/ownership with processors that support the new HD audio formats.

Sam

Sam, thanks for your comments on the P7.

Can you elaborate on what CD/DVD sources you used with the Casablanca and how does this compare to the Oppo/P7 for Music and Movies.

I currently have a Theta Casanova (11 years old!). I don't like what I have been reading about the reliability problems with the current HDMI processors. I am not paying $6K+ for audio dropouts, hangs, skipping the first few secs of tracks...

So I am considering the Oppo/P7 combo as my replacement. I think this solution will give the best/purest sound and is future proof. Analog preamps do not get obsolete. HDMI is a moving standard so I prefer to replace the cheaper blueray player every few years. I don't need video processing since the blueray player will be my only video source.
post #132 of 158
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Originally Posted by Robert Joe View Post

Sam, thanks for your comments on the P7.

Can you elaborate on what CD/DVD sources you used with the Casablanca and how does this compare to the Oppo/P7 for Music and Movies.

I currently have a Theta Casanova (11 years old!). I don't like what I have been reading about the reliability problems with the current HDMI processors. I am not paying $6K+ for audio dropouts, hangs, skipping the first few secs of tracks...

So I am considering the Oppo/P7 combo as my replacement. I think this solution will give the best/purest sound and is future proof. Analog preamps do not get obsolete. HDMI is a moving standard so I prefer to replace the cheaper blueray player every few years. I don't need video processing since the blueray player will be my only video source.

I hear what you're saying about the HDMI problems. I purchased a modern HDMI pre/pro to replace my Casablanca and it was nothing but trouble. I then decided to take the P7/analogue route. My main CD/DVD transport with the Casablanca was the Theta Carmen. Running into the Superior DACs, it sounded very nice until it broke. I then purchased the Oppo BDP-83SE. I liked using the digital out with the Theta DACS better than the Oppo's DACs. However, I could not process HD audio. I don't have a Six Shooter for the Casablanca so I had no way to get the HD audio. That's what led me down the HDMI pre/pro route and I used a separate Stax 2 channel preamp for music only with the Oppo's 2 channel output. This got very old after about a week of fighting with the HDMI pre/pro.

The Oppo with the P7 sounds better than the Oppo or Carmen Casablanca combo and very close to the Oppo Stax combo for 2 channel (it may even be better). I don't use any bass management for 2 channel as I have full range front speakers. I wish the Oppo offered more options for its multi-channel bass management as it doesn't allow enough flexibility for front speakers (main, center and subs) that are at different distances from the listening area. I keep my main front speakers about 3 feet from the back wall which puts both my center channel and the 2 subs at a greater distance and the Oppo doesn't appear to support the different distances across the front plain. I don't like a lot of stuff in close proximity to my front main speakers so I don't want everything at the same distance.

Sam
post #133 of 158
Hi all,
Can anyone tell me if the Parasound P7 is a true balanced pre. It has balanced stereo inputs and outputs. Hopefully not single-ended internally. Thanks for the reply.
post #134 of 158
No, it is not.
post #135 of 158
Does the P7 have to powered up to use the HT Bypass?

Bill
post #136 of 158
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Does the P7 have to powered up to use the HT Bypass?

Bill

Yes--I just have it turn on and set to an HT input with my Harmony remote for the appropriate activities.
post #137 of 158
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post #138 of 158
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Has anyone tried the parasound p7 with an oppo 95? How does it compare to high end processors such as Classe SSP 800, Krell, AdA and others?

I am currently using a Lexicon MC12B and have been thinking of replacing it soon.

The P7 is not a processor.
post #139 of 158
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post #140 of 158
I use the P7 with a Marantz UD9004. I do all the settings in the Marantz and the results are excellent, though I'm sure my experience/standards are not as refined as someone like Kal's.

The one thing you need to be aware of is that there are no digital inputs.. So if you have a digital source like a DVR of such, it won't work with the P7. I have a second processor for that, and use a harmony remote to control the whole thing.

Works great, but sometimes I'd prefer a one box solution.
post #141 of 158
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

I use the P7 with a Marantz UD9004. I do all the settings in the Marantz and the results are excellent, though I'm sure my experience/standards are not as refined as someone like Kal's.

I have no complaints about the performance of the P7. The JC-1 BP is slightly more refined but has no multichannel facilities.
post #142 of 158
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

I have no complaints about the performance of the P7. The JC-1 BP is slightly more refined but has no multichannel facilities.

I'm sure you're right. The P7 sure sounds good to me.

The only other issue with the JC-1 BP is no facility to use a subwoofer, as far as I know. I wish more 2channel pre-amps had subwoofer outs. I believe the new Classe model does.
post #143 of 158
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post #144 of 158
Well, don't get me wrong, the P& is excellent as a multichannel as well as a two channel pre. It just doesn't do digital input. I use a Nuforce AVP17 for satellite DVR.

I'm thinking about the Marantz AV7005 as an all in one replacement, but don't want to step down in SQ, and it's so tall It would require building a new rack.
post #145 of 158
Will the parasound p7 sound alot better than the parasound c2 processor for two channel analog and 5.1 analog with oppo 95 blu ray player.
post #146 of 158
I currently have a pioneer vsx 53, a Panasonic bdt500. Would make sense for me to get the p7 and connecting to my system? If so why would I want to do this? Any help would be appreciated
post #147 of 158
Do you have a multi channel power amp Brad? If you don't, I see no reason to get a P7. The P7 would take the place of your VSX-53.
post #148 of 158
I was told if I connect the p7 to my vsx pre outs, the reciever would become the amplifier and the p7 would do the decoding of the audio. Was I misinformed here. Don't get me wrong, i love my pioneer and it does a great job, however I'm always looking to upgrade in interesting ways.
post #149 of 158
Afraid you were informed wrong. Your Pioneer is a preamp/processor and multi channel amp in one package. It will do the decoding. A Parasound P7 is an analog multi channel preamp and cannot do any decoding. Once you run any line out of the Pioneers pre-outs, you lose its amplification in that channel. So if you ran a line into a P7, you are going from one preamp into another preamp. What is going to power the speakers?

If you like your Pioneer VSX-53, forget about a P7. Look at Parasound POWER AMPS. This is what you want to connect to your VSX-53's pre-outs. Parasound makes plenty of great 2,3 and 5 channel amps. Go to their website and start studying.

BTW...I use a Pioneer VSX-52 as my preamp/processor and have it connected to a Parasound 5125 power amp. This combo works great for me.
post #150 of 158
What would this do for me? Make my speakers sound better?
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