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post #1 of 658
2/2/07 at 12:08pm
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Okay so living close to Alan is a good thing. It means he calls you up and says "Come over here in five minutes and you can see this cool new projector!"

So last night I went to see the new HT5000. Talk about a light canon. He superimposed that on a screen with the Sim2 HT3000 at full brightness and you could have watched a movie within it without any problems.

I didn't get a chance to test many settings, but colors were excellent and it looked awesome.

So in highly technical terms - holy crap. It's a tank too.

The bad news, as part of the crew, we're required to purchase two a year for our own demo rooms.

Ha ha.

Richard
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post #2 of 658
2/2/07 at 1:09pm
Although holy crap is very descriptive , a more in depth technical review would also be appreciated.

Art
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post #3 of 658
2/2/07 at 1:24pm
Thread Starter 
Well, stay tuned, I know there will be more technical comments on it.

Richard
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post #4 of 658
2/2/07 at 2:31pm
These 3-DLP monsters would be even more awesome if the chipsets (just like the lenses) were upgradeable. Or even the lamps.

That would make it much more palatable when dropping $50 LARGE for a projector.

Say when a new chipset comes out with a higher resolution (same form factor), better onff and ansi CR etc. for a nominal fee (say $10k-$15k) then someone could even keep the projector for more than 2-3 years without having a technological doorstop...

Whatcha think Art?
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post #5 of 658
2/2/07 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by Andrikos View Post

These 3-DLP monsters would be even more awesome if the chipsets (just like the lenses) were upgradeable. Or even the lamps.

That would make it much more palatable when dropping $50 LARGE for a projector.

Say when a new chipset comes out with a higher resolution (same form factor), better onff and ansi CR etc. for a nominal fee (say $10k-$15k) then someone could even keep the projector for more than 2-3 years without having a technological doorstop...

Whatcha think Art?

All valid concerns !

Art
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post #6 of 658
2/3/07 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by Andrikos View Post

These 3-DLP monsters would be even more awesome if the chipsets (just like the lenses) were upgradeable. Or even the lamps.

That would make it much more palatable when dropping $50 LARGE for a projector.

Say when a new chipset comes out with a higher resolution (same form factor), better onff and ansi CR etc. for a nominal fee (say $10k-$15k) then someone could even keep the projector for more than 2-3 years without having a technological doorstop...

Whatcha think Art?

This is a very interesting observation. The rate of progress in video makes almost anythng one buys obsolete coming out of the store. It was not a few months that 1080p was a huge deal. Now it seems that ALL LCDs flat panels or DLP RPTVs are 1080p... It will not be long before all plasmas are 1080p too... It does not look llike a huge engineering feat to have these units upgradeable.. Would like some of the videos gurus on this board to chime in...
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post #7 of 658
2/3/07 at 2:54pm
After 1080p three chips with 5500:1 CR light to spare etc obviously the nerxt step would have to be a way to compete with the 3X sequential contrast of the JVC unit. I see no way this could happen as an upgrade. Even the fact that likely we will see 4K projectors in a year means no upgradability.

The most pain occurs if you buy a SIM HT 5000 or the like and it eats all of your AV discretionary income. It is too easy to fall in love with some of this equipment and go for it but really being on a beer budget.

I'm betting that the kinds of upgrades being tossed about here will not happen.

Art
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post #8 of 658
2/3/07 at 3:28pm
Most of the 3 chip DLPs shown at last years Cedia have yet to ship. I wonder if this years Cedia will show last years proto models in production format. The Titan, HT5000 2 bulb etc. Any guess when we will see the next gen 1080 chip in proto models. I have a feeling we are another year away.
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post #9 of 658
2/5/07 at 11:13pm
Bogart...





...Where's the review?
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post #10 of 658
2/6/07 at 4:02am
...and please include a brightness and CR measurement
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post #11 of 658
2/6/07 at 9:01am
It seems to me that the first MODULAR 3-DLP manufacturer will corner the market for high end HTs and pro applications.

The modules are:
Chassis
Power supply (upgradeable)
Lamp assembly (upgradeable - scaleable)
Chipset (DMD + accompanying DSP control chips) - upgradeable
Lens (depending on throw/ form factor) - upgradeable
Outboard scaler - upgradeable

If 4k chips come out all that would be required would be to exchange the DMD/electronics and if the DMD form factor is the same, the throw would the same.

It sure sounds more expensive than throwaway_after_2-5_years projector, but I think that will overall help DLP because people will now be less squeamish plunking down 5-6 figures for a state of the art projector that has a 10+ year lifetime.
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post #12 of 658
2/6/07 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by Andrikos View Post

It seems to me that the first MODULAR 3-DLP manufacturer will corner the market for high end HTs and pro applications.

The modules are:
Chassis
Power supply (upgradeable)
Lamp assembly (upgradeable - scaleable)
Chipset (DMD + accompanying DSP control chips) - upgradeable
Lens (depending on throw/ form factor) - upgradeable
Outboard scaler - upgradeable

If 4k chips come out all that would be required would be to exchange the DMD/electronics and if the DMD form factor is the same, the throw would the same.

It sure sounds more expensive than throwaway_after_2-5_years projector, but I think that will overall help DLP because people will now be less squeamish plunking down 5-6 figures for a state of the art projector that has a 10+ year lifetime.

Andrikos,
I just don't see this happening.Everything about the concept is off from a business model as well as optimization of the system. Many of the things which have resulted in progress in fixed pixel devices are complex light path/ gamma control changes not just resolution. Each of these has resulted in the previous generation being essentially throw away.

Most of the folks who can afford a $200,000 Runco for example are not concerned with that price or if it performs to the nth degree but only very very well.

Three chip DLP will come down in price , it already has , just not as fast as SXRD.

Art
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post #13 of 658
2/6/07 at 9:54am
Just my two cents but why is this thread labelled Seleco HT5000 - we haven't been under the brand of Seleco for over 10 years
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post #14 of 658
2/6/07 at 10:11am
Art:

Where do you guess 3 chip DLP prices will be 12 months from now?
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post #15 of 658
2/6/07 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by grandcinema View Post

Just my two cents but why is this thread labelled Seleco HT5000 - we haven't been under the brand of Seleco for over 10 years

Title edited and updated
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post #16 of 658
2/6/07 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by LJG View Post

Art:

Where do you guess 3 chip DLP prices will be 12 months from now?

I have no better guess than anyone else but I feel they will be significantly less than now but still more than SXRD/LCoS.


Art
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post #17 of 658
2/6/07 at 1:59pm
Sim2 stuff gets me hot and bothered, but I'm really having a hard time wrapping my head around the pricing. My favorite rep just picked up the line but wow! Fabulously wealthy, my customers are not!
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post #18 of 658
2/6/07 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by TorAtle View Post

...and please include a brightness and CR measurement

Sim2 claims 3800 lumens and 6000:1
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post #19 of 658
2/7/07 at 3:02am
Why not just change the bulb every couple of hundred hours?
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post #20 of 658
2/7/07 at 5:33am
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Originally Posted by TorAtle View Post

Why not just change the bulb every couple of hundred hours?

Honestly, for that kind of money I was thinking the same thing... really just incremental cost of ownership.

Art
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post #21 of 658
2/7/07 at 5:39am
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Originally Posted by W.Mayer View Post

"""Sim2 claims 3800 lumens and 6000:1"""


i saw the unit at the ise show last week in amsterdam and
they told me there 3000 lumens and then 2500 lumen and 6000:1 on off cr.
i guess that the unit have between 2500-3000 lumen.

the important question is now how many hours it takes
that a 50% drop is there.
thats not only belongs to the lamp its also a big factor how the the light path
is designed and how the iris in the optic is.
the more the unit lower the scattered light(to improve cr.) the faster the unit lose light out.

Wolfgang,
Do you feel that this might be the projector for your 20' wide screen or just another device passing through ?


Art
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post #22 of 658
2/7/07 at 7:17am
I have the 1080 Ruby, Sim2 HT 3000 1080 1 chip and the Sim2 HT 5000 1080 3 chip stacked. My place is starting to look like Mayers

As soon as Jason gets better I want to take some measurements between the 3. As much as I was happy with my Ruby and think it is a great projector for the money when comparing these three machine side by side DLP is clearly resolving far more detail. I was amazed at the difference.
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post #23 of 658
2/7/07 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

I have the 1080 Ruby, Sim2 HT 3000 1080 1 chip and the Sim2 HT 5000 1080 3 chip stacked. My place is starting to look like Mayers

As soon as Jason gets better I want to take some measurements between the 3. As much as I was happy with my Ruby and think it is a great projector for the money when comparing these three machine side by side DLP is clearly resolving far more detail. I was amazed at the difference.

Alan, do you still see the single chip Sim2 DLP as being much sharper than the 3 chip DLP and the 3 chip LCOS?
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post #24 of 658
2/7/07 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

Although holy crap is very descriptive , a more in depth technical review would also be appreciated.

Art

Yeah, what he said.
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post #25 of 658
2/7/07 at 11:57am
Mark

The 3 chip DLP shows the most detail of all three even though it is 3 panel. Next is the 1 chip DLP then the Ruby.
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post #26 of 658
2/7/07 at 12:03pm
Alan,
The HT5000 would require a hush box if it is in the viewing room, ceiling mounted, correct?
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post #27 of 658
2/7/07 at 12:34pm
Alan, is the HT5000 you have equipped with the dual lamps or single? 3800 lumens is derived from which version (dual or single)?

Can't wait to hear more impressions.

Regards
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post #28 of 658
2/7/07 at 1:11pm
All units shipping are single lamp options.

The lamp can be adjusted in 10watt increments from 250watt to 300 watt.
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post #29 of 658
2/7/07 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

I have the 1080 Ruby, Sim2 HT 3000 1080 1 chip and the Sim2 HT 5000 1080 3 chip stacked. My place is starting to look like Mayers

As soon as Jason gets better I want to take some measurements between the 3. As much as I was happy with my Ruby and think it is a great projector for the money when comparing these three machine side by side DLP is clearly resolving far more detail. I was amazed at the difference.


This is the MTF I have been herping about for a year...

Alan how is the white fields compared to the cx3 is it whiter?
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post #30 of 658
2/8/07 at 6:43am
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

Mark

The 3 chip DLP shows the most detail of all three even though it is 3 panel. Next is the 1 chip DLP then the Ruby.

Alan,
How is panel registration ?

Art
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