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post #31 of 154
2/7/07 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by Dizzman View Post

the funny part about this is that it is a physical fact that human auditory memory is about 4 seconds. THis is a proven thing that cognitive Psychologists use when doing all sorts of tests.

Dammit, I used this theory in an argument here long ago. I was called out, as people wouldn't recognize people's voices after 4 seconds. Supposedly.

I'd say that people do remember overall sounds, otherwise you wouldn't recognize sounds like a car engine or even songs would seem new again after 4 seconds. I'd say that it has more to do with remembering subtle nuances. ie, you can hear a 3db change in a narrow frequency band as an eq is changed, but you probably couldn't catch a 3 db change in a single band of a 31 band eq unless you HEARD it being changed from one listening session to another.

Thus my argument that you can't hear subtle differences in cables, but that's another topic altogether.

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post #32 of 154
2/7/07 at 3:12pm
I can get the exact details that are used to quantify this. A friend that i went to High school with in West Van is a professor of cognitive Psychology at San Jose State. He gets to do all sorts of really cool cognitive testing... Like reactions when you drink! I want in on that test and i DO NOT want the placebo.
post #33 of 154
2/7/07 at 3:54pm
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Try to tell that to the DJ. If you keep listening you just get used to it. At least thats whet they hope.

Yeah if you keep looking at the sun you get used to it, then it doesn't hurt anymore.

If you complain about something right from the beginning it's just going to get worse and worse. Often I had to change back a tweak within an hour because it was unbearable. Sometimes there was something very subtle that was wrong, it just got more annoying the longer I listened, I couldn't stand it anymore after a day. If it's possible to listen 3 days without throwing stuff on walls, then it's possible to adjust to the sound and keep it forever.
post #34 of 154
2/7/07 at 5:57pm
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I replaced the multi-step Feet of Silence under my DAC with some Clear Audio Magix. These isolation feet cost more than the DAC itself. It increased detail and made vocals bassier.

I put the leftover Feet of Silence under my Cary transport and P300 Power Plant. The difference there was very subtle compared to under the DAC! But I'm hearing very quiet, smooth and calm sound now. Amazing. I also put a Magix under the PSU of my computer.

Bass is very close to how I want it now. I'm getting more Magix!
post #35 of 154
2/8/07 at 12:28pm
Here ya go DJ Paul responded to some guuy on the asylum forum who was akin about the P3. the DJ responds to the questions about if the fellows power is so bad why doesnt he have a P3 on his fridge? And also responds to the issues the P3 is having.This guy is such a tool.

Quote"Posted by paulmc (M) on February 08, 2007 at 06:21:49
In Reply to: Re: How about some success stories here??? posted by Burns on February 7, 2007 at 22:34:20:


Well, he doesn't do that because a fridge or most appliances are quite tolerant of serious AC problems and sail through them without a care. The same cannot be said for many other products, like televisions and stereo equipment.
As far as performance - a refrigerator's motor doesn't care about power quality issues - but you knew that. You just delight in being an antagonist. It's OK.

One of the things we realized when placing ourselves on the open forums (two in fact) is we'd have to deal with all manner of folks. You are welcome here as is everyone else as long as they keep it civil - which in fact you are! I appreciate your participation.

One last comment: you made mention of some of the PPP's problems like fans, clicking, buzzing etc. in a manner that was intended to defame the company and steer people away from our products. It is true that some of these units have indeed malfunctioned in the manner you recite. I would suggest these types of problems, and this level of problem is shared by every manufacturer and it is probably unfair to single us out. But again, it's your right to do so."
post #36 of 154
2/8/07 at 6:43pm
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Originally Posted by ValhallaPC View Post

Yeah if you keep looking at the sun you get used to it, then it doesn't hurt anymore.

Surely you must know we are talking about degrees of adaptation. Have you _never_ adapted to sound that initially was somewhat loud? Does your hearing _ever_ change day-to-day? Did you know that your eyes also adapt to color miscalibration (do you ever wear tinted glasses?)

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Often I had to change back a tweak within an hour because it was unbearable. Sometimes there was something very subtle that was wrong, it just got more annoying the longer I listened, I couldn't stand it anymore after a day. If it's possible to listen 3 days without throwing stuff on walls, then it's possible to adjust to the sound and keep it forever.

This is great you could make some decent cash and maybe even get an article published in a refereed journal if this pertains to cables in some context (and judging by past comments, it probably does). You should set up a double blind test with some of these objectivists (they are suckers, they are willing to pay you thousands of $ if you are right), all that is required is that your equipment be operating within proper parameters and that you be willing to pay if you happened to be wrong (which is impossible because the differences are unbearable to you). You should go ahead and just show those self-righteous/sanctimonious how ignorant and stupid (since they are going to give you thousands of $, for such an obviously easy test to pass) they are, and finally help cleanse audio discussion of their dribble.
post #37 of 154
2/8/07 at 8:08pm
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Originally Posted by Raul GS View Post

This is great you could make some decent cash and maybe even get an article published in a refereed journal if this pertains to cables in some context (and judging by past comments, it probably does). You should set up a double blind test with some of these objectivists (they are suckers, they are willing to pay you thousands of $ if you are right), all that is required is that your equipment be operating within proper parameters and that you be willing to pay if you happened to be wrong (which is impossible because the differences are unbearable to you). You should go ahead and just show those self-righteous/sanctimonious how ignorant and stupid (since they are going to give you thousands of $, for such an obviously easy test to pass) they are, and finally help cleanse audio discussion of their dribble.

Pshhh, Valhalla wouldn't sell out that easily. He doesn't tweak for the money.
post #38 of 154
2/8/07 at 11:29pm
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Originally Posted by Raul GS View Post

Surely you must know we are talking about degrees of adaptation. Have you _never_ adapted to sound that initially was somewhat loud? Does your hearing _ever_ change day-to-day? Did you know that your eyes also adapt to color miscalibration (do you ever wear tinted glasses?)

My hearing only changes if I go outside. I lock myself up in my room to get consistency in listening to my audio system.
If I go outside riding in the wind and then come back to listen to my audio system it sounds like 1dB lower volume. After a day it sounds about 0.7dB higher than before, on the 3rd day little lower again, on the 4th day little higher again. It's like a wave that goes up and down that eventually stabilizes. But as long as you are aware of it it's not that big of an issue.


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Originally Posted by Raul GS View Post

This is great you could make some decent cash and maybe even get an article published in a refereed journal if this pertains to cables in some context (and judging by past comments, it probably does). You should set up a double blind test with some of these objectivists (they are suckers, they are willing to pay you thousands of $ if you are right), all that is required is that your equipment be operating within proper parameters and that you be willing to pay if you happened to be wrong (which is impossible because the differences are unbearable to you). You should go ahead and just show those self-righteous/sanctimonious how ignorant and stupid (since they are going to give you thousands of $, for such an obviously easy test to pass) they are, and finally help cleanse audio discussion of their dribble.

I have already done a double blind test and captured it on video, skeptics like to ignore the truth.

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=207222

On the last trial of Valhalla vs stock the ambient room temperature had changed which made me give a different answer. Now I'm aware of more variables of what affects the sound, next time I make the test it's going to be 100%.

With the 8 power cord test I heard something was wrong, it didn't sound like last time I tried the cable, see the video.

The test needs to be properly done, if there's an earthquake or something else, it's not going to be an accurate test. Skeptics like to ignore that.
post #39 of 154
2/8/07 at 11:39pm
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Originally Posted by crackyflipside View Post

Pshhh, Valhalla wouldn't sell out that easily. He doesn't tweak for the money.

If I cared about money I would be the richest man on my planet.
post #40 of 154
2/9/07 at 4:25am
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One last comment: you made mention of some of the PPP's problems like fans, clicking, buzzing etc. in a manner that was intended to defame the company and steer people away from our products. It is true that some of these units have indeed malfunctioned in the manner you recite. I would suggest these types of problems, and this level of problem is shared by every manufacturer and it is probably unfair to single us out. But again, it's your right to do so."

Now, how would you make a comment about product issues in a manner that was intended to praise a company?

Valhalla, what is your planet's name?
post #41 of 154
2/9/07 at 4:34am
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

Valhalla, what is your planet's name?

You just said the name. Valhalla.

My planet doesn't have any trees. Instead there are Valhalla cables growing from the ground.
post #42 of 154
2/9/07 at 5:28am
Ah, the organic Valhalla cables as compared to the synthetically grown cables in a lab.
post #43 of 154
2/9/07 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

Now, how would you make a comment about product issues in a manner that was intended to praise a company?


Thats DJ Pauls funny response to some other fellow who seems to think they are full of hot air as well. I would love to see DJ take someone to court over that so then they would have to prove the crap doesnt work. Someday these types will go the way of diet pill makers in the courts.
post #44 of 154
2/9/07 at 11:31am
The only truth in tweaks is that they are not isolating and just add coloration.
You want to eliminate the nonsense, you get a Monaco stand by Grand Prix Audio, end of story.

Everything else is just playing child's games and wasting money. I've been there done that years back with the aurios.

Since I got the Monaco stand, all that nonsense has been laid to rest. And no I don't have my own planet, I don't do daily measurements of the wind and gauge it to my hearing and don't check the flutter of my eyelashes to measure how they affect sound waves.

Thought the thread was lame when a P300 is plugged into a Premier. But hey, even that self-defeating waste of money is topped.

Okay I have to go extract and weight the buildup of ear wax from my right ear which is clearly 20% ahead of my left ear. It's totally ruining my system's sound.

http://www.grandprixaudio.com/
post #45 of 154
2/9/07 at 11:52am
Why not just encase your amps and speakers in a big concrete block?

I take claim to the name I'd call it: The Jimmy Hoffa equipment stand.

Resonance will never be heard from again.
post #46 of 154
2/9/07 at 11:55am
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Yeah if you keep looking at the sun you get used to it, then it doesn't hurt anymore.

Some might find this to be interesting regarding a man who 'eats the sun'.
http://www.randi.org/jr/2007-02/020207geller.html#i5
post #47 of 154
2/9/07 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

Some might find this to be interesting regarding a man who 'eats the sun'.
http://www.randi.org/jr/2007-02/020207geller.html#i5

Could that be the real identity of ValhallaPC???
post #48 of 154
2/9/07 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by romanesq View Post

The only truth in tweaks is that they are not isolating and just add coloration.
You want to eliminate the nonsense, you get a Monaco stand by Grand Prix Audio, end of story.

Everything else is just playing child's games and wasting money. I've been there done that years back with the aurios.

Since I got the Monaco stand, all that nonsense has been laid to rest. And no I don't have my own planet, I don't do daily measurements of the wind and gauge it to my hearing and don't check the flutter of my eyelashes to measure how they affect sound waves.


http://www.grandprixaudio.com/

That rack is in contact with the ground?

I used to use Solid-tech Feet of Silence but I'm going to replace them all with Magix. With the Feet I got less coloration the more I added. When I replaced the multi-step Feet of Silence with Magix I got a huge improvement. With Magix the gear is levitating between magnets. Background is very quiet.

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Thought the thread was lame when a P300 is plugged into a Premier. But hey, even that self-defeating waste of money is topped.

It's a fact that daisy chaining Power Plants gives a blacker background, check the PS Audio forums. Paul said that it's okay to add a P300 at the output of Premier if you want to use other MultiWaves, but daisy chaining two Premiers doesn't work.
post #49 of 154
2/10/07 at 1:19am
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The difference was so big with Premier so it took a while to give an accurate score on my improvement scale list. Here it is:


My upgrades


1 = Noticeable improvement
10 = Night and day
1 000 000+ = Unreal

July 2005

Valhalla power cord for Krell KAV-500i = 15
High Current Ultimate Outlet between wall and Power Plants = 5
QuickSilver on everything = 15?
QuickSilver on fuses = 2
MultiWave II+ for source = 5
xStream Statement between wall and Power Plants = 60
44.1 kHz to 768 kHz = 5
MultiWave II and II+ for amp = 20
Solid-Tech isolation = 100
QuickSilver GOLD upgrade = 5
Valhalla between wall and Power Plants + hardwired = 60
Hifi-Tuning Gold fuse = 1
Nordost Solar Wind 1 conductor + remove PCB = 220
Nordost Valkyrja 1 conductor = 140 (360 compared to Stefan AudioArt)
PS Audio GCC-100 = 200?
Cary 303/300 to DAC-1 = 500
Modded Valhalla power cord (2+2+1) for DAC1, and computer as transport (Valhalla and Power Plant) = 5000
Computer to Cary transport. From 2 to 1 Power Plant. 2 conductor Valhalla power cord for amp. Extra isolation step. Cary from 3 to 0 isolation = -200 (less detail but more neutral?)
Valhalla digital XLR = 5?
Valhalla power cord 2 to 1 conductor for DAC1 = 100
Valhalla power cord 3 to 2 conductors for Cary = 5
Valkyrja internal wiring for CD player = 5
Valkyrja speaker cable hardwire into PCB = 380
Valkyrja input signal wire for amp, from 24 AWG to 22 AWG = -3
Modded Valhalla interconnect 1 conductor = 1 000 000
Brilliant Pebbles Mini = 0.05
Bypass fuses amp = 80
Bypass fuses Cary transport = 2?
Shortening Valhalla power cords = 1
Disconnecting ground of DAC1 = 0.5?
Valhalla power cord 2 to 1 conductors for Cary = 5
Valhalla power cord 3 to 2 conductors for wall = 1
4step to 5step isolation for DAC1 = 1200
Hardwired into Power Plant = 5?
ERS Paper full coverage = 2 000 000+
Valhalla interconnect XLR + hardwire = 1 300 000
Valhalla interconnect dedicated shield ground = 3 000 000
Noise Harvester + tweaks to compensate = 10 000 000
Power Plant Premier + Magix = 1 000 000 000 000 000

February 2007

Numbers are only accurate when based on the order the upgrades were made.
post #50 of 154
2/10/07 at 2:12am
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The improvement is so big there are no words to explain! With my previous upgrades the improvements were so big that it was like listening to my albums for the first time. But with the Premier all my old albums are gone, I'm listening to completely different albums with new detail everywhere! Even mp3 has more detail than ever.
I'm not listening to my old system either, it sounds like a completely new audio system! Premier is something very special.

I didn't listen to my system for 2 days and noticed it sounded more transparent than before! It's still burning in!
post #51 of 154
2/10/07 at 1:34pm
Just because it's physically possible to dasiy chain power plants, doesn't mean it's a smart way to spend money.

As for the magnets, well unless the magnets have nothing in-between BUT air, then there's metal vibrations. It may be better than that other product but I don't see anything showing testing measurement the way the Grand Prix Audio Monaco demonstrates.

So it's a substitute of one vibration for another.
And it certainly doesn't register on any imaginary scale to one zillion billion.
post #52 of 154
2/10/07 at 10:21pm
I think you would be the first person I would be scared to meet ValhallaPC!

I bought 2 PPP's due here in few weeks.. but now I'm having second thoughts. Anyone else using a PPP who is impressed with their purchase?
post #53 of 154
2/10/07 at 10:41pm
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Originally Posted by Gino AUS View Post

I think you would be the first person I would be scared to meet ValhallaPC!

I bought 2 PPP's due here in few weeks.. but now I'm having second thoughts. Anyone else using a PPP who is impressed with their purchase?

Personally I think buying two was a leap of faith, but in this case, you won't regret it. I just got mine before the weekend. One word, stunning. Makes a day-and-night difference against the P500 even from which I traded-up. Significantly lowers noise floor, background sounds on CDs become much more audible. Lowered distortion for the same volume levels, I can increase the volume of my system much more than before and it still sounds clear. Soundstage appears to have shrunk a little , but its much more realistic now than before. The only negative with it in my system is that bass has taken on a slightly more flabby sense, but its only been in my system for a day, so I'm giving it time.
post #54 of 154
2/10/07 at 10:42pm
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Originally Posted by Gino AUS View Post

I think you would be the first person I would be scared to meet ValhallaPC!

I bought 2 PPP's due here in few weeks.. but now I'm having second thoughts. Anyone else using a PPP who is impressed with their purchase?

Gino, ValhallaPC is crazy! Don't let him bother you. I've replaced both of my Bybeeized P600s with one Premier and am very, very happy. But I already posted here in another thread about this and all of the shills who never do any power conditioning shrill away with their negatives on what they've never tried. Besides the fact that there's plenty of objective science behind a clean 60 Hz sinewave and nanocrystal technology which has been around some years now.
post #55 of 154
2/10/07 at 10:46pm
I am still waiting to get some references to this science, Steve. Believe it or not, there are some folks here that undertand how to read a scientific report and would be very interested in the information. Can you provide the references?
post #56 of 154
2/10/07 at 10:50pm
As Leonard says in his signature above, don't argue with idiots. I won't. If a clean regenerated 60 Hz sinewave isn't scientifically objective, then I must just be stupid stupid like Leonard thinks. HAAAAAAA!!!
post #57 of 154
2/10/07 at 10:56pm
I did not intend to argue with you Steve. I try to follow my own advice. I also did not say that a clean 60Hz sine wave is stupid. I simply asked to get some references to the science that you mentioned. I really do read the stuff and try to learn more about the technology that I work with. If you have some references please provice them. If not please simply admit that you were blowing smoke.
post #58 of 154
2/11/07 at 12:51am
Steve, do not confuse wanting to know what is behind something with naysaying. With a quick google search i find that nanocrystal technology is used to help improve drug delivery and many other things. please, if somehow it helps in power conditioning, show us.

Also, if you had any idea how a switch mode power supply worked, you would know that a relatively clean sine wave is just as good as a CLEAN sine wave. I am not saying that your devices do not work, we just want to get a cleaner idea of what they do.

this is after all, AV SCIENCE... not AV Voodoo.
post #59 of 154
2/11/07 at 2:21am
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Originally Posted by Dizzman View Post

the funny part about this is that it is a physical fact that human auditory memory is about 4 seconds. THis is a proven thing that cognitive Psychologists use when doing all sorts of tests.

Auditory memory for what events? That's the part folks always leave out so they can take this research out of context. NEW stimuli. It's like me giving you a series of numbers and asking you to recall them 4 seconds latter and then concluding that since memory for serial is only 4 seconds you can not possibly remember your mother's home phone number. Time and frequency of exposure effect all forms of memory. Please point me to the test to which you are referencing.
post #60 of 154
2/11/07 at 4:40pm
i do not have any studies, but i asked specifically about this kind of context, hear a sound, then hear another sound and detect preferences.


Even beyond this, the real question is this:
can a DBX test work for an audiophile. And it seems that ALL audiophiles say no. And this works for the evidence. the fact that there is not one DBX out there anywhere with anything more than random results.

If we extrapolate this then we have a result that either there are no differences, or a DBX is not satisfactory to determine results.

So instead of lots of arguments about whether this power conditioner or that cable does anything, we should be talkinga bout testing and whether you think that a DBX can prove anything.
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