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There was a pretty spot-on article about "Lost" in yesterday's Chicago Sun-Times...
http://www.suntimes.com/entertainmen...-elf04.article

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Here lies 'Lost'
I'd rather bury my head in the sand than watch another answerless episode. Or better yet -- bury the show.

February 4, 2007
BY DOUG ELFMAN Television Critic

The other night, I was remembering when, as a music critic, I had to review Britney Spears. I realized something startling: Even the moronic Britney has experienced more character growth in the last three years than the hit series "Lost."

Think about her arc since about '04: Spears has altered her tours (for the worse), developed her music (slightly less awful) and she went from pure virgin to party slut to pregnant.

"Lost," on the other hand, has evolved about as much as "Gilligan's Island." The castaways are still stranded. Nothing substantial has changed.

And fans will not get answers to "Lost's" supernatural MacGuffins for a long time. At recent press conferences, producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse said they want to keep their secrets until the show ends.

When's that?

"If it was 11 or 15 years, God, we really hope that we're doing something different by then," Lindelof said. "But if we get to tell the story that we want to tell, in the time we think it should be told, we're the guys that absolutely want to do it."

Eleven years?!?!?!

If you suffer the delusion you will get resolutions from "Lost" before the end of the series, listen to Cuse: "If we started really giving answers about what is the nature of this island, what is the sort of innate underlying meaning of the numbers, those things are sort of series-ending questions."

So there you go, "Lost" fans. Have fun waiting, possibly until the year 2018, for writers to have the guts to end overall mysteries, then see if the character dramas are good enough to stand on their own. (They probably would be.)

Fall episodes led to backlash
After airing six new episodes in the fall, "Lost" took a winter break and returns anew this week. I won't divulge anything big. It's just like any "Lost" episode -- a staring match between disinterested idiots, plus sporadic violence.
One new scene looks stolen from "A Clockwork Orange," just as last fall's killing of Mr. Eko was eerily similar to a scene from "Evil Dead 2: Dead By Dawn" -- death by a cloud of smoke in the shape of a tree-size arm.

I used to hear fans guess about what the island is. But after autumn's frustrating episodes, the "Lost" backlash is now in full swing. It was the No. 1 show that became unwatchable last year, according to the fan-interactive site JumpTheShark.com.

Of those old fan theories, the most convincing one has strandees as subjects of a grand experiment carried out by a mysterious entity: an omnipotent force, an evil corporation or something.

My theory is this: Lindelof is conducting an experiment to see how long he can jerk around viewers while getting money from ABC.

In its third year, here are just a few of the show's unresolved issues:

Why is there a polar bear on a warm island?

What entity is controlling the castaways?

How can a cloud turn into a huge arm and kill a man?

Oh, and there are ghosts of people who are still alive, like in "Scooby Doo." What's up with that?

Ree. Diculous.

It's like watching math
I've been wondering why viewers stick with "Lost." I mean, the cinematography can be gorgeous. The actors are fine. The flashbacks are rich. But all this glory is infuriatingly ruined by idiotic dialogue and go-nowhere mysteries.
I think many fans are trying so hard to figure out how any detail is a clue to the larger mysteries that they're not really watching "Lost." This isn't a viewing experience. It's like doing Sudoku.

Another appalling development is that Lindelof confessed he's intentionally keeping his characters from asking realistic questions. No one on the island ever seems to ask the Others, who appear to understand everything, what the hell is going on.

"As writers, the questions that the characters are asking on the show are always a slippery slope," Lindelof said. "We find ourselves saying, 'We'd be asking much better questions, too.'

"Unfortunately, if Jack asked the questions that we wanted him to, the Others would answer none of them. So you would just have him asking a string of questions with Michael sort of looking back at him stoically."

Lindelof understands he's ticking off a lot of people: "The audience doesn't feel they're getting answers to mysteries in the time allotted."

No kidding.

"I think the characters on the show experience in many ways the same frustrations that the fans and the critics do," Lindelof said. "Why don't the characters talk more amongst each other about the mystery of the island?

"The reality is, we've written those scenes and in some cases we even shoot those scenes. And whether you take our word for it or not, we think they don't work; they're incredibly boring."

You know what's boring? The first six episodes that ran in the fall. Co-producer Carlton Cuse feebly explained them this way: "We had to service the story of Jack and Kate and Sawyer in captivity. By the time we sort of did that, we ran out of time to do a lot of other stuff in those first six [episodes]."

Really? Six hours is what it took to tell the story of two people in cages in the rain and a third guy in a prison cell? Pathetic.

'Lost' creators are adrift
I believe Lindelof has no idea where he's taking "Lost." Lindelof addressed this concern, but he didn't win me over.
" 'Lost' came together very, very quickly. During that period of time it was all we could do to write the outline, write the pilot, put the cast together and begin to have preliminary conversations."

He said those conversations were about, "What is this island? Who are these people? If Kate's in handcuffs, we need to know what Kate did. If Locke has a secret, we need to know what that secret is. If we show a polar bear, we need to know where the polar bear came from."

But he added, "To say we know everything we're going to do in advance would be completely disingenuous and probably stupid as a writer/producer because you have to be able to adapt to sort of the changing currents."

Here's where Cuse and Lindelof's arrogance is painful to listen to. Cuse said "Lost" lost viewers because "this show requires sort of vigilant maintenance.

"There are people who fall away because it does require you to really keep up on the episodes. It's a complicated show. It's hard to drop in and out," Cuse said.

So if viewers are frustrated with the series' lack of plot progress, it's the viewers' fault for not bowing down to the genius brains of the producers?

I stand by what I've said before. I can't wait for "Lost" to get canceled. Then, the writers will be forced to give answers. I will resume caring about "Lost" at that point of resolutions, I imagine, and not a moment sooner.

And to answer one of the points raised...
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There are people who fall away because it does require you to really keep up on the episodes. It's a complicated show. It's hard to drop in and out.

Well, I've watched every single episode of the show, starting with the pilot, and I'm one of the people who's grown completely tired of waiting for answers that never come.
post #2 of 34
Yes, I've been a loyal fan and watched all of the episodes and have grown a bit tired of the stalling. However, I think the polar bears were in the zoo and escaped. They were part of some bizarre experiment involving very cold cows and polar bears. I'm sure of it.

Bye.
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Well, I've watched every single episode of the show, starting with the pilot, and I'm one of the people who's grown completely tired of waiting for answers that never come.

that's exactly what I did, and stopped caring too. Too much other good stuff on anyway!
post #4 of 34
I love it! I love every moment of Lost. The people that say 'they haven't answered anything' are complete idiots. There have been dozens of major questions answered throughout the show.

Major questions we USED to have:
-What's in the hatch? - an apartment & the button

-Where do the others live? - In a village on the island, and they have a camp on a separate island.

-Who built the 'oddities' of the island? A global corporation that was founded by a weapons dealer, The Hanso Foundation lead by Alvar Hanso

-What were they doing on the island? Experiments on: Electromagnetism, Utopian societies, Quest for E.T., Mathematical forecasting, Cryogenics, Juxtapositional Eugenics, and Remote Viewing.

-Why is there a polar bear? The polar bear was likely part of the Life Extension project, because the Life Extension Project was definitely experimenting on animals.

-What entity is controlling the castaways? Nothing/no one. There is no grand entity! A big part of Lost is the 'six degrees of separation' and 'butterfly effect' theories. What really answered this for me, was the interaction between Locke and Desmond. Desmond had killed (as far as he knew) the one and only other person on the island, because that other person had fooled him into thinking that the island was quarantined - when in reality the other person was fixing Desmond's boat and trying to sail off the island. Because Desmond followed him he missed the button push. Not pushing the button causes a huge electromagnetic disruption that warps the space time continuum. This disruption cause the island to 'phase into' existence for a brief moment (remember the scene with the monitoring station in Antarctica that noticed a 'blip' when they forgot to push the button) and sucked the plane down (100% confirmed in the first episode of this season). After a month of being alone, button pushing Desmond was ready to commit suicide and had a gun to his head... at the same time Locke had just seen Boone die and was ready to give up on the hatch. Locke banged on the hatch in frustration - causing Desmond to put down his gun and run to see what the commotion was about... he turned on the light... and the light alerted Locke... his faith restored that there was indeed 'something' in the hatch Locke continues and feels that Boone did not die in vain. Most of that is examples of the 'butterfly effect' where one thing you do that seems to mean nothing has a huge consequence on other people that you may not even know about.

-What is the purpose of the stations? Each station corresponds to one of the Dharma projects. The hatch is likely the Juxtapositional Eugenics project, which is basically a project to bend the space-time continuum. The 'smoke monster' may be part of the utopian society project, because it seems to be able to 'read' someone. It found Locke a worthy person and showed up to him as a bright, welcoming light. It found Eco unworthy, it 'tried & tested' him by showing images of his brother and asking him to repent. When he did not, he was killed. The rest of the stations, while unknown as to their purpose, obviously correlate exactly to the project.

What are the numbers? There has long been a 'theory' that there is some magic number to the universe. Math clearly plays a huge role in all of existence. One of the projects was the Mathematical forecasting project. The numbers are quite obviously the result of that project. If you have seen the movie Pi that's a movie about the possibility of a 'divine number', or if you have ever heard of phi it is the 'divine ratio'. It is a ratio that is found in all of existence, everything (naturally made) uses the divine ratio. The number, like pi is an unending decimal that begins 1.618. Pi as we all know is usually approximated to 3.14. Some people theorize that this is due to our use of the decimal system, at it may be possible that under some other yet undiscovered numbering system, both of these numbers may be 'round' numbers like 10 is to us. It's theorized that finding the key to this numbering system and those numbers may be the universal mathematical answer to the universe. The numbers are Lost's idea of what the divine number is.

Anyway... those are just a few that I could type out quickly. There have been more major questions and major answers found.

Lost is also not necessarily just about the mysteries (which I feel get answered often enough to keep me happy, but not so often that I loose interested and stop having stuff to look up). It's also about the characters. It's somewhat a character drama and evidenced by the flashbacks. I find it refreshing that the characters on Lost aren't necessarily 'good' or 'evil'. They are real people that do good, AND do evil. How many other shows are like that? Most shows it's painfully obvious who the 'good guys' are and who the 'bad guys' are. I still don't know if The Other's really are the 'bad guys' or not - and I absolutely LOVE that. Who is the 'good guy' - Kate the bank robber, Jack the alcoholic doctor, Charlie the drug addict washed out guitarist, Sawyer the con artist, or Michael the construction worker? Based on last season, it sure seemed like Michael was the 'bad guy' out of that bunch.

Lost also has tons of religious references, which keep me very interested. I've always been interested in theology. Even the symbol for the Dharma corporation is a reference to religion, it's something to do with Confucianism. I believe it started with a certain number of divine sticks that you would lay in lines around a circle. Forgot what it's called though - If I remember I'll post it here later

Anyway, the dissenters to Lost, truly are not 'getting it'. Lost very much is an experience. I watch the episode, then spend the next week looking up clues, researching stuff I saw, reading all the Lost message boards, and exploring. It's like a game to me, and I find Lost a lot like The Da Vinci Code. It takes a lot of historical facts and creates a fictional story around them. The facts that Lost uses are fascinating scientific facts. I have considerably broadened my mind and learned quite a bit about interesting topics while researching clues in Lost. It isn't 'mindless trivia' - these are real, scientific or religious facts.
post #5 of 34
I'm a big Doug Elfman fan. I read his column every chance I get, and I generally agree with him. He's the reason I started watching Veronica Mars. He said he thought it was the best show on TV, and he may very well be right. I think he's being a bit hard on Lost, however. I still enjoy the show. It may not be as good as it used to be, but it's still way better than 90% of the other shows out there.
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Great answers, dj. You helped explain some things for me and I've seen all the eps too. What you posted is certainly plausible IF you believe that the show's writers actually know everything behind the island's story. Based on their comments in the article, I wonder if they're just making up stuff as they go along.
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I really appreciate djdementia's thorough answer. While what he says is accurate, what I do know is that Lost is no longer "I gota' watch it right away" status. I seem to allow the episodes to age for a bit before I watch them. Other shows have taken its place on the "I gota' watch it right away" list. Heros, for instance, which is much more satisfying in revealing its secrets. Again, this is my gut talking to me, your mileage may vary.

Bye.
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I agree CD, even if there are some answers that are revealed over time with "Lost", the fact that many of us are left feeling unsatisfied must mean that the writers are doing something wrong. After all, it's just television, and while it might be fun, you shouldn't have to search the web and hit message boards to get the comlete picture.
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Originally Posted by The Robman View Post

I agree CD, even if there are some answers that are revealed over time with "Lost", the fact that many of us are left feeling unsatisfied must mean that the writers are doing something wrong. After all, it's just television, and while it might be fun, you shouldn't have to search the web and hit message boards to get the comlete picture.

That's the thing about Lost. It isn't 'just television' it's an entire experience. It's part TV show, part interactive game, part learning experience.

I guess that the majority of people aren't ready for that or aren't interested in that. People just want mindless reality TV, and that's why intelligent shows like Lost are likely doomed to be cancelled in favor of more garbage, mindless, reality TV. I get frustrated sitting here at my cubicle hearing people go on and on about which Beauty is the bitchiest or which Geek is the cutest on Beaty & the Geek. I mean seriously, to the people that watch Reality TV: are your lives so boring and disinteresting that you have to analyze someone else's life?
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Yes, there is more to Lost than some dumb reality show. I am also getting the feeling that commerce and not art is the main driving force in the development of Lost. Of course, we all know that TV is commerce and not art, but at times, shows like Lost shift that normal balance to the side of art. It seems to me they are trying to squeeze an extra season or two out of a story that should be more finite.

Bye.

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That's the thing about Lost. It isn't 'just television' it's an entire experience. It's part TV show, part interactive game, part learning experience.

I guess that the majority of people aren't ready for that or aren't interested in that. People just want mindless reality TV, and that's why intelligent shows like Lost are likely doomed to be cancelled in favor of more garbage, mindless, reality TV. I get frustrated sitting here at my cubicle hearing people go on and on about which Beauty is the bitchiest or which Geek is the cutest on Beaty & the Geek. I mean seriously, to the people that watch Reality TV: are your lives so boring and disinteresting that you have to analyze someone else's life?
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I guess that the majority of people aren't ready for that or aren't interested in that. People just want mindless reality TV, and that's why intelligent shows like Lost are likely doomed to be cancelled in favor of more garbage, mindless, reality TV.

I hear you and I agree, but that's not the point being discussed here. I think you'll find that all of the people who have commented here about "Lost" are people who also watch "24" or "Prison Break" or "Alias" or "Daybreak", etc, so we're not complaining about "Lost" because it's one of those "intelligent" shows that are hard to keep up with, we're complaining because we're people who like the intelligent shows, but we're left feeling un-satisfied more often than not by "Lost".

There is another thread here where I've mourned the loss of "Daybreak" which I think is an excellent intelligent show. Other good shows that didn't make it include "Vanished" and "The Nine", and "Studio 60" isn't likely to make it into a 2nd season, but at least they have given it the green light to finish out this season.

Funnily enough, they are portraying this very battle in "Studio 60" because the new TV boss only wants to put on quality shows, but the bean counters are forcing her to also run stupid reality shows because they're cheap to make and are usually great money makers.
post #12 of 34
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I love it! I love every moment of Lost.
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Anyway, the dissenters to Lost, truly are not 'getting it'. Lost very much is an experience.

Love the show. This the the best show on TV!!! Whoever is not happy with it (most likely those who did not start watching from the beginning and/or do now go to forums between shows) can switch the channel.
The last thing I want for "Lost" is to follow the destiny of "Daybreak".
post #13 of 34
Well for those of you that stuck with Lost, last weeks was absoulutely stunning. Pure genious!

And for those of you that still think that the answer's aren't out there, I just found yet another clue, one that was apparently missed a few months ago and it's HUGE! If you want to know EXACTLY what the numbers are (my above answer was along the right tracks, but not right... well I have to say almost exactly opposite of what I thought), WHY the Dharma corporation was formed, and what the OTHERS are doing on the island right now... here is the biggest clue of them all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPCCcXarkc

(Not a troll or a joke. This is it folks)
post #14 of 34
I have a question. It concerns the final episode of last season. I only saw the episode once, but I seem to recall it ending with Desmond's wife becoming aware of some type of seismic anomaly and saying "we found him". Why hasn't this plot line been addressed since?
post #15 of 34
They are waiting for you to forget about it, then they will bring it back into play.... That's standard Lost Script Writers method #3.
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I mean seriously, to the people that watch Reality TV: are your lives so boring and disinteresting that you have to analyze someone else's life?

As opposed to scouring the web for clues to aspects of a fictional TV series?
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I have a question. It concerns the final episode of last season. I only saw the episode once, but I seem to recall it ending with Desmond's wife becoming aware of some type of seismic anomaly and saying "we found him". Why hasn't this plot line been addressed since?

Remember in the 'lost timeline' that since the hatch exploded and that 'blip' showed up (I would say it's an electromagnetic anomoly not seismic) has occoured only 2 days have passed on the island. It's been a very minimal amount of time because they've been dealing with Jack, Sawyer, and Kate so far. I expect to see a few more clues come up in this season in refrence to that.

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As opposed to scouring the web for clues to aspects of a fictional TV series?

Well whats interesting for me, is that around 95% of lost's mythology is based in reality (or at least very promininet scientific theories on subjects that may be proven in the near future). Just like the Da Vinci Code - it's a fictional story that is based off reality/theories of reality. The things I've learned about since watching Lost have truly opened my eyes to a lot of things. I started getting interested in Physics and Buddhism because of Losts refrences to them. I've spent a lot of my free time learning new things that I might not have ever been exposed to otherwise. I've bought & watched one Physics PBS NOVA special called 'The Elegent Universe' and another one on the beginings of life on Earth called 'Origins'. I've read 'Idiots guide to Theories of the Universe', 'Buddhism for Dummies', 'The Tao of Physics', 'The Universe in a Single Atom' (by The Dalai Lama), 'No Death, No Fear', and 'The Heart of Buddha's Teaching'.

In fact Lost (and to a lesser degree, The Da Vinci Code) piqued my interest in Buddhism (there is an extraoridanry amount of Buddhist refrences in Lost) and I'm currently learning & exploring more about it. I may convert to the religion. While I can't say 'Lost converted me to a new religion', I can say that my Lost experience has actually opened my mind/eyes to a lot of new things that I would have not been exposed to otherwise.

How many people can say that about any Reality TV show (outside of some of the contestants)?

I think I can honestly say that watching Lost really has changed my life, and for the better. I feel like anytime you open your mind up to new learning experiences, it's a positve change.
post #18 of 34
I don't get it, Doug elfman claims he's watched every episode and then asks questions such as...

Why is there a polar bear on a warm island?
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Did Doug miss the episodes where Kate and Sawyer were held in cages? How about the one where Sawyer finally figured out how to get a fish biscuit and Tom (aka zeke) tells him that it only took the BEARS two hours to figure it out.


What entity is controlling the castaways?
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Who said ANY entity is controlling the castaways?


How can a cloud turn into a huge arm and kill a man?
Oh, and there are ghosts of people who are still alive, like in "Scooby Doo." What's up with that?
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No answer for the 1st question, but the 2nd is the cloud.

It still amuses me whenever people complain about the pace of which answers are given on lost. No, they don't wrap things up in 1 tidy little hour like most shows on TV. Aren't these people really complaining about their lack of attention span and patience?
post #19 of 34
I read this thread for the first time today. I am a Lost fan that didn't start watching it until the 2nd season was almost over, but I watched all of the episodes in order from the very first, thanks to frriends recording it. I still enjoy the show almost as much as I did in the beginning. I am patient enough to wait for all of the questions to be answered slowly over time. I am not going to let a critic decide what I should watch, especially when there is not a lot on TV that is all that good. The other shows I watch are Prison Break, 24, and L&O. That is it. I plan to watch Heroes as soon as I get time to find all of the episodes and watch it from the beginning.
Djdemetia, thanks for answering questions for us. Very informative and well written. You have made the show even more enjoyable. Lost is definitely a one of a kind show.
post #20 of 34
Clearly, the people in this thread aren't the only ones who have begun to lose interest in the show:

http://www.accesshollywood.com/news/ah4074.shtml
post #21 of 34
There is no doubt in anyone's mind a lot of people have lost interest. I definitely have not. I was a latecomer thinking it was going to be stupid. In reality it is not stupid at all, and really meant for people like me and not a lot of the people it caught on with at first. In a way it is like the Iraq war. People were all for it at first, now that they see it is long and hard they want to quit. Except the war wasn't brilliantly executed. I hope those comments don't make this thread go way off topic towards the war. I just thought it was an appropiate analogy based on a lot of peoples subjective views.
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Clearly, the people in this thread aren't the only ones who have begun to lose interest in the show:

http://www.accesshollywood.com/news/ah4074.shtml

Oh my gosh! You mean they had their lowest ever ratings when they aired the episode on VALENTINES DAY! Duh! Probably a lot of Wednesday shows hit all time lows on valentines!
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There is no doubt in anyone's mind a lot of people have lost interest. I definitely have not. I was a latecomer thinking it was going to be stupid. In reality it is not stupid at all, and really meant for people like me and not a lot of the people it caught on with at first. In a way it is like the Iraq war. People were all for it at first, now that they see it is long and hard they want to quit. Except the war wasn't brilliantly executed. I hope those comments don't make this thread go way off topic towards the war. I just thought it was an appropiate analogy based on a lot of peoples subjective views.

I'm not sure the war in Iraq is a good analogy, but I think I agree with what you're saying. The show started off so brilliantly that everyone was immediately captivated by it. Unfortunately, the writers/producers haven't been able to maintain that same level of brilliance. Consequently, the show has become somewhat of a disappointment to many, even though it's still a great show. I guess that's just one of the problems you face when you set the bar too high early on. It's somewhat of a "catch 22" when you think about, because the amazingly strong first season is what created the show's large audience in the first place.
post #24 of 34
After the first few episodes of the first season I fell off the train and couldn't get back on. Someday when it's all over I'll watch it off DVDs (online streaming, or whatever) from beginning to end at my own pace.
post #25 of 34
I'm also a latecomer to Lost. I started watching about 5 months ago, and just caught up last week. I found the show very compelling most of the time, not always - I was really turned off in season 2 when they introduced the second group of castaways who didn't really contribute anything, and then they ended up killing off the most interesting ones. That aside, there were times where I watched 3-4 episodes in a row and then went off on the internet to see what fans said about them. I enjoy the characters, the acting, the location, some but not all of the flashbacks/backstories.

However, last week after I watched my first episode of Lost as it got broadcasted (and a pretty boring one it was), and realized that I have to now wait a week for another one, I understood why people complain about lack of answers. I'm going to keep watching, but have to wonder about whether each individual episode packs enough punch to hold my interest for an entire week and make me look forward to the next one.
post #26 of 34
I think watching an entire season of a show on DVD is often much more rewarding than watching it week to week. It's great to be able to fly through 3-4 episodes at a time if you're really into it.
post #27 of 34
The last ep sucked - I mean, who really cares about Jack's tattoo? What was with the lost kids showing up and basically adding nothing? And who really cares that much about what happens with Jack anymore? The rest of the cast has been abandoned, and the writers are lost.
post #28 of 34
this episode was billed as providing the answers to 3 important questions...does anyone know what 3 questions were answered? we sure don't. besides the tattoo thing but was that really a burning question in the series?
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Thread Starter 
Well, I have to say that, after the really weak start to the season, Lost has been really good since then.

So, what's the current theory as to where the hell they are (pun intended). If we're to believe Loch's dad, they're all in hell (or at least, some sort of after life), but if that's the case, how were the Others able to move back and forth by submarine? And if this is the after life, what does it mean when you die here? Where do you go next?
post #30 of 34
Good to see you are back on board. Are you ready for 3 more seasons? The great thing about the show is it has so many twists so any theory is only a maybe. Maybe there are levels of afterlife and that is what they are showing.
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