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post #2011 of 2596
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Originally Posted by Babel_Fish View Post

1. What are all of your components in your rack (just list.. no pics needed )
2. Picture of inside of unit
3. Picture of streaming music with the artwork that Denon spoke of
4. Your address so we can come over and check it out

-> 1.) I started one of those "Owners" threads, and listed my equipment in there.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=881446

-> 2.) I have the unit all integrated now, so I probably don't want to take it out and crack it opens as yet. I thought that someone had posted a pic of the inside from a Japanese website. I'll look around for it.

-> 3.) I haven't setup the streaming music feature yet. I have the 4308 connect to my network and have connected to the Web interface. I believe that steraming music requires WMP 11.0, and I am running 10.0. I will get that setup later today and post a screen scrape of it over in the owners thread.

-> Sounds good - I'll pour you a cold one
post #2012 of 2596
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Originally Posted by Babel_Fish View Post

I can be the getaway car... lol.. I'm sorry.. I mean the carpool

Okay, thats it... No cold one for you!
post #2013 of 2596
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

Well, having a look at the physical lay-out explains why you're getting weird crossover readings. I recommend moving your sub and stand to where the speakers are and the speakers to the outside, also the speakers should be out at least 6" past the front of your audio rack.

Thanks! I had thought about a different arrangement, but it might not pass the WAF test. I might still dabble with the layout though.
post #2014 of 2596
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Originally Posted by Babel_Fish View Post

why are you not considering the onkyo?? just curious why that is off the table...

Believe it or not... I find the Onkyo and the font used on the Onkyo butt ugly. I really dislike the look for some reason. i guess I could put a paper sack over it... solves other similar issues.
post #2015 of 2596
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Originally Posted by Phrynichus View Post

I need some advice on getting a new receiver. Mine is 6 years old.

I am considering one of the 08 Denons (http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers...g=nefdprod.rev), or one of the new Onkyo TXs (http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9712132-1.html). I was starting to settle on the Denon 3808, which is why I am posting here.

But then I read a good review of the Sony STR-DA5300ES (http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers...-32552105.html).

It has 6 HDMI inputs and the review was otherwise pretty solid. The only thing it doesn't seem to have that the Denon 3808 has, is the ethernet connection. Can anyone tell me how important that is ? Are firmware updates for receivers common, like for my HD-XA2?

Thank you.

I'm guessing the ethernet is more for streaming music off your PC rather for software updates although that could be another use of it.
post #2016 of 2596
OK, I need some serious advise quick. I have the option to return my SONY 5200ES for the DENON 4308Ci but now I'm not sure if I should get the 4308CI or return the 5200ES and wait for the SONY 5300ES? I like that the DENON has HD radio that no others offer. As far as video processing, I wonder what Faruodja chips both units are using and how they compare to one another. As far as my use for a receiver, I use it 50/50 for listening to radio and watching movies.
post #2017 of 2596
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Originally Posted by DOOM136 View Post

OK, I need some serious advise quick. I have the option to return my SONY 5200ES for the DENON 4308Ci but now I'm not sure if I should get the 4308CI or return the 5200ES and wait for the SONY 5300ES? I like that the DENON has HD radio that no others offer. As far as video processing, I wonder what Faruodja chips both units are using and how they compare to one another. As far as my use for a receiver, I use it 50/50 for listening to radio and watching movies.

If you have a CC with a decent limit buy them both, test them out and figure out which one you like better. Then take the other back! Make sure you keep your recepts!
post #2018 of 2596
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Originally Posted by Phil Tomaskovic View Post

I'm guessing the ethernet is more for streaming music off your PC rather for software updates although that could be another use of it.

You can also do basic receiver setup, and probably a few things that I have not discovered yet. I added a new post in the "Owners" thread with a few images of the interface.
post #2019 of 2596
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Originally Posted by dpickens View Post

Got word from my local BB/Magnolia here in Dallas that they have Aug. 1 in their computers to receive the 3808 and 4308. He wasn't sure if that was the warehouse receiving them or the local store but I bet it's the warehouse. Sounds like only a week to go before they get them in stock.

I check yesterday at a local shop and the 4308 is in the warehouse already in va.
post #2020 of 2596
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Originally Posted by DVRDude View Post

Thanks! I had thought about a different arrangement, but it might not pass the WAF test. I might still dabble with the layout though.

The way it sits right now you're robbing yourself of some serious sound quality and imaging. Get her involved - I don't know what it is about women (who does?) but they seem to be more sensitive to acoustical changes than guys.

Also remember it's more likely you'll get your way by doing it and apologizing after than by asking first. (23 yrs of marriage speaking here.)

Seriously though, that current set-up is doing damage and you spent big bucks that you should gain maximum enjoyment from.
post #2021 of 2596
Just called J&R to get an update on a pre-order for the 4308i and the salesperson had no clue. He said he had heard early and late August. When I told him that other retailers were already getting theirs he said, oh, should be any day then... we are a huge Denon store.

I really hope it turns out better than the Onkyo folks who pre-ordered from J&R.
post #2022 of 2596
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Originally Posted by harrellnukeem View Post

Believe it or not... I find the Onkyo and the font used on the Onkyo butt ugly. I really dislike the look for some reason. i guess I could put a paper sack over it... solves other similar issues.

Don't put a paper sack on that thing or you'll be meeting the fire marshall.
post #2023 of 2596
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

The way it sits right now you're robbing yourself of some serious sound quality and imaging. Get her involved - I don't know what it is about women (who does?) but they seem to be more sensitive to acoustical changes than guys.

Also remember it's more likely you'll get your way by doing it and apologizing after than by asking first. (23 yrs of marriage speaking here.)

Seriously though, that current set-up is doing damage and you spent big bucks that you should gain maximum enjoyment from.

I've got you beat - 26 years for me

I appreciate your suggestions. I will take a look at my setup when I finish going through everything on the receiver. I'm spending a bunch of time on AVS Forum right now , so I will move things around some next week.

Okay, off to get the streaming stuff working now.
post #2024 of 2596
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Originally Posted by DOOM136 View Post

OK, I need some serious advise quick. I have the option to return my SONY 5200ES for the DENON 4308Ci but now I'm not sure if I should get the 4308CI or return the 5200ES and wait for the SONY 5300ES? I like that the DENON has HD radio that no others offer. As far as video processing, I wonder what Faruodja chips both units are using and how they compare to one another. As far as my use for a receiver, I use it 50/50 for listening to radio and watching movies.

The Onkyo 905 also has HD radio.
post #2025 of 2596
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Originally Posted by DVRDude View Post

I've got you beat - 26 years for me

I am humbled in your presence!

The most critical issue I see in your pics is the early first reflection point of your right speaker with it's proximity to the audio stand, ideally both mains should be in as similar an environment as possible. At the very least, pull them both out so the right speaker is a few inches in front of the stand - then re-run the Audyssey. Let me know what that does for the suggested x-over.
post #2026 of 2596
Should the soon-to-be-released Denon iPod docks ASD-3N and ASD-3W be used with these receivers or is that overkill? Will the current iPod docks work just as well?
post #2027 of 2596
I will have my 4308ci tomorrow morning....
post #2028 of 2596
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

I will have my 4308ci tomorrow morning....

Congrats, I guess I know what you will be doing over the weekend
Make sure you post your findings, please

____
Axel
post #2029 of 2596
I am going from a 1803 and I have never owned such a nice amp. I know this is over kill, but I want to start building a home system that I can be proud to come home too.

Axel: I will post all of my findings. I think I might be OCD and will not sleep for days while I get this thing set up. WooHoo.
post #2030 of 2596
A lot of people are curious about the deinterlacing of 1080i to 1080p. The only 1080i source I will have is my satellite DVR (HR-20). Is 1080i that bad?
Movies will be BluRay at 1080p, so I'm not concerned about that. Sports would be the only thing that I can think of that 1080i might "expose". Am I correct? Can someone please explain why the deinterlacing is so critical?

Thanks.
post #2031 of 2596
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Originally Posted by gte747e View Post

A lot of people are curious about the deinterlacing of 1080i to 1080p. The only 1080i source I will have is my satellite DVR (HR-20). Is 1080i that bad?
Movies will be BluRay at 1080p, so I'm not concerned about that. Sports would be the only thing that I can think of that 1080i might "expose". Am I correct? Can someone please explain why the deinterlacing is so critical?

Thanks.

I'm sure you have seen what a progressive scan DVD player does to SD DVD haven't you? Going from an interlaced signal to a progressive signal gives a boost in PQ.
post #2032 of 2596
ListenUp is now showing that preorders for the 4308 will ship Aug 1 or 2 and Aug 3-6 for the 3808.
post #2033 of 2596
My local guy has a 3808 for me on the way but I am still torn between that and the 4308. HELP! I'd love some input on what value the differences in the units has (how the differences would be used/benefited).

Here is what I know/think. Please add anything I have missed and give me your opinion on the value of the extras.

1) 130 vs 140 watts per channel - not sure 10 watts would make that much of a difference. Any difference in amp construction, etc?

2) AL24+ vs Advanced AL24 processing - a little better processing, but how noticeable?

3) HD Radio (4308) - nice to have better clarity radio

4) 1 vs 2 HDMI outputs - Parallel so same source on both. Nice if you have an HD in the bathroom so you don't miss any of the big game, but how might one really use this?

5) Discrete video out on component to Zone 2 (4308) - makes zone 2 also have independent video as well as audio sourcing. Nice so you don't have to have separate stuff in another room. But how far can you really run component cables?

5b) 3808 can do discrete video out on Zone 2, but only composite...

6) WiFi capability - nice if you don't have a wire run, but wouldn't think it would be that great for streaming large files

7) Streaming - some specs say 3808 can't do JPEG. Not sure if there is any difference in the streaming capabilities of the two units. Can they ONLY do WMP or is iTunes supported? (I'm a Mac user...)

Right now I have a 3300 for my main theater and a Russound setup that runs the rest of the house (audio only - 6 zone 4 source). It would be nice to have video ability in another location based on the main equipment, but not sure of the feasibility based on length of wire runs, etc. and the Denon won't replace the Russound as it can't handle the same zones/sources.

I know this is subjective, but I would appreciate any input you can give on the 4308 over the 3808 (or vice versa).
post #2034 of 2596
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

Seriously though, that current set-up is doing damage and you spent big bucks that you should gain maximum enjoyment from.

I know this is off-topic, but would you mind explaining what is wrong with that setup? Are the mains too close together?

I suppose my setup is similar, but then my system sits on a short wall, and there is no way to move it to a longer wall. In fact, my right main is almost in a corner, although both mains are a few inches forward of the furniture holding my other equipment, and angled toward the center of the room. I do have my television and my AV stand between both speakers, though.

I also have my sub close to my right main, along the *other* wall. Probably not an ideal configuration, but I'm not sure how I could improve it.
post #2035 of 2596
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4) 1 vs 2 HDMI outputs - Parallel so same source on both. Nice if you have an HD in the bathroom so you don't miss any of the big game, but how might one really use this?

I would have thought this one was fairly obvious. Two displays in the same room, ie, a "regular" TV and a front projector for movies in the dark.

That's my rig, anyway. I also need the 4 HDMI inputs. Just being able to get rid of both a splitter and a switch for HDMI justified the price difference between the 3808 and 4308 for me. Also, I'm replacing a 4306 so I didn't want to step down .
post #2036 of 2596
ATTN: 4308CI Manual Readers!

I am trying to determine how on the 4308 the video output is selected.

I would like to take my Cable TV (component in) to the AVR with component out to my HDTV component in. I will have picture adjustments for color level in the HDTV in this manner. No concern about scaling as my SA8300HD will passthru all signals as is to the HDTV (Panny 65" 1080p Pro), which does very well with scaling/deinterlacing...as far as the HQV tests show anyway.

I will also connect my Tosh XA2 (HDMI 1080p) to the AVR for HDMI out passthru to the DVI port on the HDTV. No color adjustment via DVI on the HDTV, but the XA2 has picture adjustments in its menu, so I am fine.

I have looked at page 30 of the 4308 manual and see "Monitor Out". This is under the HDMI Setup, so it appears it only applies to HDMI. But I see on the back of the 4308 Monitor 1 and 2 for HDMI, but also for Component Out! So, if this is set to "auto" should I expect to have my Component In from the Cable STB go directly to the Component Out?

And will then the XA2 HDMI in go out to the HDMI out?

OR is there another way to select the OUTPUT for a given input?
LL
post #2037 of 2596
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Originally Posted by rmiller View Post

I know this is off-topic, but would you mind explaining what is wrong with that setup? Are the mains too close together?

I suppose my setup is similar, but then my system sits on a short wall, and there is no way to move it to a longer wall. In fact, my right main is almost in a corner, although both mains are a few inches forward of the furniture holding my other equipment, and angled toward the center of the room. I do have my television and my AV stand between both speakers, though.

I also have my sub close to my right main, along the *other* wall. Probably not an ideal configuration, but I'm not sure how I could improve it.

A quick glance at his setup and unless he's sitting very close I would say the speakers are too close together. The main problem I see though is his right speaker being so close and behind his audio stand. This puts it in a completely different environment than the left main. Also, the first reflections are going to bounce off the audio stand and intersect with the original signal about a foot in front of the right speaker. I can't see this doing anything but damaging the imaging. Also I think his mains are too close to the back wall.

Go to the "Audio Set Up and Theory" forums here and do a search on speaker placement and you'll get some great advice that you can apply to your set-up and I also strongly reccommend to anyone to do some reading on room acoustical treatments - you can throw all the money you want at a system and nothing will make as much of a difference as some attention to detail with room/speaker interaction - which includes acoustical treatments.
post #2038 of 2596
I have the 4308 and am setting it up now. The video and the sound are awesome.
post #2039 of 2596
Just ordered a 3808 from 6ave for a better price (think % off retail) than J&R and got free shipping. Had to call and ask.
Frank at ext 8620.
Told to expect shipping in 1-2 weeks. Not in stock yet.
post #2040 of 2596
I searched and saw this question asked a few pages ago but didnt see a reply. Is there a manual available for the 3808?
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