Canton owner's 'club' - Page 5

The strongest performers in you future system have to be the mains. Then, center treble match is a must for those smooth car/tank/high-heels-clacking from one side of the screen to the other. Surround stage ideally matched but not a necessity. If you are into 2 channel a lot get a Class A 2 channel amp like a Pass or California Audio Labs ( i am into cheap solid state so Marsh Audio Design Class A-B is OK, but tube amps rock) and a five channel monoblock construction amp like a BAT or Sherbourn for the rest of the 7.1 setup, Parasound Halos seem to be perennial favorites too. Make sure your processor handles balanced, the merits of a fully balanced path aside, the third wire serves the simple purpose of conducting off static/interference. If your processor allows connect the ground plug with silver terminated copper wire to the ground plug of the power conditioner, and use separate conditioners for the high and low current components...blah blah blah blah

I'm a proud member of this club--I've loved my Canton Ergo 21 DCs for about ten years now.

I also have a Canton AS 20 sub but am looking to upgrade. Has anyone had experience with the Canton ASD 250? There's one for $299 + $20 S&H on accessories4less.com that I'm considering. Mine's a 2.1, music-only setup, with a Peachtree Nova driving in a small room.

Hi! I have a Canton Karat AS-725, also purchased from accessories4less.com. It is a slightly newer and more powerful model than AS-250. Otherwise, they should technically similar. The exterior is extremely well-made (mine is silver). The speaker itself is heavy. In terms of performance, I only allow it to become active when watching a movie. There is good bass coming out. Personally, I like it a lot. But, if you like floor-moving bass, this speaker might disappoint you. Another aspect to consider is its firing direction. AS-250 and AS-725 are both down-firing as opposed to front-firing on the current model like AS-750. Based on the comments on this site, there does not seem to be any difference in performance in terms of direction, since low frequency sound travels in all directions. Most people think this is a purely aesthetic, design issue. However, some people do claim front-firing generates more bass. Some people like down-firing better, since young children or pets would not be able to damage the speaker easily.
Here are a few German user comments on AS-200. I use Google translation tool to read it.

http://www.testeo.org/product_review...sc-qupaeq.html

Anyway, you won't go wrong with any Canton speaker. Good luck!

Hi! I'm italian. Nice to meet you boys.
Danpan I'm amazing for you!!
I love the canton movie cd 206! I pray you for a thing: PLEASE COULD YOU GIVE ME HERE OR AT MY EMAIL SOME PHOTOS OF THE CANTON MOVIE CD 206???
Very thanks!

In your opinion how is their sound??

Saturday I'll buy an onkyo TX-SR707 white. I'll buy it white because in the future I'll buy me too the canton cd 206. For now I use canton cd 102. http://www.canton.de/it/hifi/movie/p...moviecd102.htm

Sob.

ROFL!

I'd delete those pics if I were you.

I am currently replacing my current Audio cabinet / speaker and was wondering if someone can suggest me

I was forrtunate enough to demo a pair of 803d with canton ergos 695DC's at a local myer emco and i was infacet quiet impressed with the ergos. Sadly the store was shutting down the rest of the myer - emco's were, well, stopping sale of ergo series.

This is what I have now

- Rockets RS250's with a RS 200 Center
- Arcam 72
- Yamaha RX1400
- PS3 and all my digital media residing on a QNAP 439 Pro ( Streaming via twonky and PS3 media streaming )
- Klipsch Sub ( i forgot the model number )

After due reseearch I have shirtlisted the following as prospective buys

- Canton Reference 7.2 or Vento Refrence 7.2 / Or 803d
- Emotiva XPA-5
- Possibly keep my RX-1400 or replace with the Emotiva UMC-1 or Onkyo Pr-sc886
- The need : 2 channel music / General TV watching / movies
- Budget : $7K max

I've had the Canton 403's about 8 months now so they are fully primed and broken in. Last I spoke about them, I've made some changes and added Analysis Plus inter connects @ $100 a meter to the Rotel 200 watt amps going from the amp to the control amp. And also Analysis Plus cable @ $100 a meter going from a new Musical Fidelity XRay V8 CDP with external power supply which retails for about $1500 to the control amp,and Analysis Plus @$100 a meter going from the Marantz SACD to the control amp. I've also added Analysis Plus Speaker wire. Over all this is a warm cable. With the added Analysis Plus inter connects and speaker wire and the Musical Fidelity CDP and Marantz SACD pared with Rotel gear, my solid state sound has been warmed up a bit. Not warm as tubed gear but not as edgy as most solid state either....the edge has been taken off a bit I would say. In the future I plain of keeping the Rotel RBH 1080 @ 200 watts per channel and swapping out the Rotel Control amp RCC 1090 with a tubed preamp and maybe going up the chain in speakers with another pair of Canton stand mount speakers.

I've added nice oriental carpet to the wall behind the speakers, to the side walls and on the floor to add sound reflection points. The speakers themselves are about 9 inches from the wall and 9 feet apart. The speakers are on the front wall and all the gear is on the side wall and I sit about 9 feet back from the speakers. Canton recommends that you dont toe in the speakers because they designed them to face forward. This makes for a very big and deep sound stage. This also has a lot to do with their recommendation of adding an amp with more than the power they state in their specks of the speaker. The system is in its own two channel room about 15x15 with 8ft ceilings. The sound is just wonderful...the 403's continue to amaze me, but I wondered if this amazing sound was all in my head. I have no one that comes by who is into audio as I am. So I decided to call up a friend who lives on the other side of the city and asked if he would be interested in listening to the Canton 403's to see if infact it was all in my head. So he said yes come on over and we will see if its in your head.

So when I got to his house with the Cantons, I asked if we could do a shoot out with his Dynaudio Audience 52 stand mount speakers he had doing surround duty in his home-theater. So we set up the Cantons first. The rest of the system was Conrad Johnson mono block tube amps @ 100 watts each, Paired with a Conrad Johnson tubed preamp @ about $4000, and also a T+A CDP @ $3000. So the system was very good. My friend listen to the 403's and noticed that the speakers where unlike other speakers he had ever heard. He noticed the Canton had a large dispersion with the music, and that the detail of the tweeters and midrange was very good. We then plugged in the Dynaudio Audience 52's and notice that the bottom end was much deeper than the Cantons but that was about it. My friend seemed to think the Cantons needed more bottom end to which I silently disagreed. So we continued to listen to the 52's and it was becoming apparent to me that the 52's where boring with a bottom end that was not natural. After a while we plugged the Cantons back in and I noticed that they had a much bigger and deeper sound stage than the 52's and that the music seemed to draw you in. There was more snap to the drums and much much more detail in the mid range. My friend was very impressed with the Cantons. The Cantons seem to out perform the Dynaudios. So we
plugged the Dynaudios back in and the bottom end was just booming. But they where so boring. I asked my friend which speaker he thought was the warmest and he said the Dynaudios. At that point not wanting to be rude so I just thought to my self...those Dynaudios are just boring with a bottom end that's not natural at all. They Dynaudio where being exposed. So we plugged the Cantons back in and played a variety of music and noticed that on certain songs the Cantons had very good base and other times the bottom end was very week. At this point I said that's strange why would it have a bottom end in some songs and not others? My friend made a very good observation and a telling fact. He said the Cantons are a very accurate speaker and the Dyns are not. Thats why the Cantons at times had very good bass and other times they did not. The Cantons where just giving the music as it was given to them. We continued to listen to the music for the rest of the night and never plugged the Dyns back in. In my opinion the Cantons out shined the Dynaudio Audience by a long shot. The Dyns compared to the Cantons where very boring with no snap or sparkle and a very blotted bottom end. The Cantons new retail for $700 and the Dynaudio Audience retailed for $1400. The Cantons being discounted now for about $350-$380 are a real deal

frenchmon

Anyone wanna sell their Canton 809s or 890s?!

FYI, I am also one of those rare Americans who purchased Canton speakers. I live in South Florida.

I finally got all of my equipment; and with extensive assistance from my son, I was able to get it all hooked up and working this past weekend. Even though the speakers have not yet broken in, I am very pleased with the quality of the sound, both for movies and for music.

Here is a list of the equipment I ended up purchasing:

JSP Home Theater Console - Allegro model

HDTV - 55" Samsung LED - model UN55B8000

Receiver - Denon 4310CI

Blu-Ray DVD - Sony BDP-CX960 - 400-dsic changer

Apple TV - for my music collection

Cable TV - Motorola DVR

Speakers - Chrono 509 front speakers; Chrono 505 center-channel speaker; Ergo AS 650.2 SC subwoofer

Everything is working superbly.

Here are a few photos.

Nice to see some fellow Canton owners. I've owned a pair of Canton Fonum 150s for over 20 years, and I still love the sound of them. Here's my question:

I just bought some Ergo Fs off ebay for a (relative) steal -$300 for three speakers. I'm planning on using them for surrounds/back, but wanted to know whether these would mate well with the Vento series? I'm looking at either the 807 (new) or the Reference 9 (used) as my mains and the 805 or 855 as the center. I listen to a lot of 2 channel music, and save my surrounds for movies/tv (with an occasional SACD).

Any thoughts?

The Ergo Fs equate to the Ergo 610s of today. They listed new for $500 each, so $100 each is a good deal...depending on condition. All Canton speakers have a similar sonic signature, so these should match up well with the models you are considering for mains. I have heard the Reference 9s and they are to die for.

Thanks Pete. Sounds like you're recommending the R9s. I'm a little hesitant to go with monitors as my main fronts, but I also have a decent sub (B&W ASW-CDM) so I think I can get away with it. My room's not too big either (10x20). Decisions, decisions...

Hi all,

I'm considering upgrading my Canton Ergo 21 DCs (from the late 1990s) to a pair of Canton Ergo 603s. Anyone have experience with / thoughts on these?

Thanks.

I think the Ergo 620 is the current iteration of this size speaker. They would not have replaced the 603 with the 620 if it wasn't able to give better performance.

I've had a chance to play with my Ergo Fs (similar to the Ergo 610). Not very impressed. Granted, these are wall hanging surround speakers, but I'd suggest moving a step up to the Karat series. Deals can always be found on Acc4Less, Audiogon and Ebay.

FYI - just got a pair of Vento Reference 9s with the Vento 855 Center (for a ridiculous package deal from Acc4Less). The speakers are amazing. Still need some break in time, but I'm already enamored with them.

Link please to Acc4less, if you don't mind.

My dealer wants $3000.00 Can about 3100.00 US with the current dollar... is this too much for a pair of Ergos 670's DC and the center Ergo 655?

Paul

Accessories4Less.com. They're an authorized dealer.

I paid roughly the same for the Vento Reference 9s and the Vento 855 center (including shipping and tax), so I'll let you be the judge. If you're interested, call them directly. I came across an ad of their's that expired last October offering the combo deal and when I called them they were willing to match it. It's an amazing price for an amazing set of speakers.

If I where you I would go for the Ergos 607's which are the same speaker as the 670's only the model before the 670's. Maybe a little modification to the cabinet but thats it....They are the same speaker and you get them at a very good price. Here's the link. http://www.independentaudiovideo.com...itemid=1004713


frenchmon

Thanks guys for the input, I'll let you know what my purchase will be as soon as I find the right price!

Paul

Hi everyone... I am a filipino working here at saudi arabia, I have bought a pair canton speaker, canton karat M50 DC. and the salesman told me it was their last pair for that model. In my surprise... upon opening, which i already take the speaker home... both are left side... the big round speaker on the side are facing the same direction...

Can you return them? Oh You dont live in Saudi Arabia....sorry.

frenchmon

Hi there,

I own Canton Vento 870 fronts, and 820 at back and im thinking about central speaker now. I have an oppurtunity to buy Vento 855 ( which is not manufactured any more...), Vento 856 ( it has smaller speakers than 855...) or Canton Ergo 655 ( this one i heard some time ago and it was outstanding - but different type of sound than this specific in ventos...).
Ok, all in all - could You write something about those central speakers? Rest of Vento series got rather not-that-much of lower frequency, wich can make movie sound rather "boring"... While ergo on the other hand has massive sound stage with huge portion of bass ;/ I cant find anywhere near my location 856 to listen to and have my own opinion, so I'm counting on Yours ;P

I have the 855 with a pair of Reference 1s, and I love it. It'll have the same footprint as your current speakers, and to me it does a fantastic job with dialog. I had a B&W CDM-CNT before it, and I was amazed how much more clarity I got out of the 855 after I upgraded.

As for the 856, it's an inferior speaker (albeit by a small margin). Canton redesigned their center to accommodate its customers who were having a difficult time placing the larger (and more cumbersome) 855, so they sacrificed a little to make it more conventionally sized (I got this info straight from Canton after I emailed them about the difference).

Regarding the Ergo, I have never heard it, but I'd be surprised if it sounded as good. Remember, your lower frequencies should be handled by your subwoofer. If you don't have one, then it should be directed to your 870s - your center should concentrate on diaolg. In all honestly, unless you have massive front speakers that have 10-12" woofers, you're never going get that deep movie sound that you desire. You really need to invest in a sub for that.

Hope that helps, and good luck!

I came accross a complete set of Canton LE 120 5.1. I liked Canton LE's sound much more than comparably priced polk, infinity, klipsch, jbl (owned them). Driven by a Marantz 8200, the sound is reasonably clear and lively.

I was drooling when the vento line came out. I rocketted passed my budget and got the vento 809, 805, and monsterous separates. Side by side, the 809 drump the LE (roughtly 10x in price) in detail and clarity.

However, I find the 809 to be a bright and a a bit fatiguing for long listening. The amp and my hardwood floor with rug might contribute a bit. I still miss that sweet silk dome sound. I guess my ear are conditioned by silk dome. For example, i found the paradigm studio 100 v4 and klipsch rf83 to be overly bright.

So I've been trying to find a more suitable amp for it. I went to a dealer and listen to the 890 (almost the same as 809) with Nad amp. It sounded really good. I'm leaning toward NAD (budget), parasound a21, and anthem p2. Tried earthquake Cinenova, outlaw 770, marantz 8200, didn't like them with the Vento.

Any other suggestion for separate amp?

I might also sell the Vento set, and move to Sonus Faber cremona, or Vento reference 9 (sounded better than BW) or thiel.

Try Rotel. They're often suggested for bright speakers (like B&W).

From personal experience, I have used both a Marantz SR-8002 receiver and now a Gemstone 7 channel amp to run my Ergo surround setup (1002DC's, CM502 and 300DC's for surround) The Ergo setup run by the Marantz was a beautiful match, and I never noticed any problems with the Marantz, but I wanted the additional safety of not overdriving the speakers, so I opted to put the Gemstone into the system. Now, if I am in the mood to really crank it up, I'm never concerned about being under powered. The Gemstone matched with 1002's really enhances the bass in a natural way. I don't know how to describe it any other way than it seems to play everything in a neutral way. If the bass is there, you will hear and feel it, and if it is not, you won't.

Before deciding on the Gemstone, I seriously considered wyred 4 sound amps, but decided that before I went 'green", I wanted one bad ass powerful class A/AB amp. But seriously, check out wyred4sound . com and cullen circuits . com to read about the company & their products. There are more and more Class D ICE amps (Rotel being one) out there, but if I were going that route, wyred would be my first choice, as they have great reputation and 30+ years in the business.

As I can only speak of personal experience, I would say that anyone considering a Canton system in a moderate sized room, would probably not do better than the Marantz SR8002 (although I have heard that an updated SR 7 & 8000 series may be introduced this summer.)

One more thing. In my opinion the advantage of the big floor standing Ergos is that you don't necessarily need a subwoofer. I'm running my system as a 5.0 setup now, because the dual 9" woofers paired with a powerful amp will provide many listeners with as much bass as they're likely to need. Cheers.

Belated thanks. New write-up on the Reference 3.2DC in the June 2010 issue.