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post #151 of 388
5/18/10 at 9:09am
You are correct. Gemstone is only sold on a limited basis in the U.S. That reminds me of one of my pet peaves about this forum. I wish all members would give some indication of where they live in their profile, as so many questions relate to "what brand", "where can I buy it", and "where can I get it serviced?" Don't take that personally, I just had to say it.

Regarding an amp for your Cantons, please check you PM's.

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mahdlokg

thankx.
About Gemstone, unfortunately, I think there is no dealer in middle Europe.
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post #152 of 388
5/19/10 at 5:39pm
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I came accross a complete set of Canton LE 120 5.1. I liked Canton LE's sound much more than comparably priced polk, infinity, klipsch, jbl (owned them). Driven by a Marantz 8200, the sound is reasonably clear and lively.

I was drooling when the vento line came out. I rocketted passed my budget and got the vento 809, 805, and monsterous separates. Side by side, the 809 drump the LE (roughtly 10x in price) in detail and clarity.

However, I find the 809 to be a bright and a a bit fatiguing for long listening. The amp and my hardwood floor with rug might contribute a bit. I still miss that sweet silk dome sound. I guess my ear are conditioned by silk dome. For example, i found the paradigm studio 100 v4 and klipsch rf83 to be overly bright.

So I've been trying to find a more suitable amp for it. I went to a dealer and listen to the 890 (almost the same as 809) with Nad amp. It sounded really good. I'm leaning toward NAD (budget), parasound a21, and anthem p2. Tried earthquake Cinenova, outlaw 770, marantz 8200, didn't like them with the Vento.

Any other suggestion for separate amp?

I might also sell the Vento set, and move to Sonus Faber cremona, or Vento reference 9 (sounded better than BW) or thiel.

Wow...I've listen to every speaker you mentioned and I don't find any of them bright at all. Now I have a pair of Paradigm 7's v3 that have a more lively tweeter than my Canton GLE's. I run mine with the Rotel RBH1080 amp @ 200 WPC and the the Preamp RC 1090. and its not bright at all. I use Analysis Plus interconnects and speaker cable...and also a Musical Fidelity CDP and Marantz SACD and Music Hall TT...makes for a nice system with a sound not really warm but not bright either....and in no way boring....the Cantons have a way of drawing you into the music and wont allow you to be bored at all. The Analysis Plus cable is more of a warm cable...so maybe you can warm your system up a bit. But if you think the Paradigms are bright, then maybe you have better stick to the GLE line as they have the silk domes.

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post #153 of 388
5/20/10 at 4:48pm
I think the combination of speaker and amp makes noticeable differences. I'm aware of the silk done vs metal thing, but as long as the frequency response is similar, the sound is similar. Canton Vento 809, 890, etc... are shown to be bright (check frequency response graph).

I really liked music from the Vento 890 and average NAD amp. It sounded fuller than from Vento Reference 9.2 and Mcintosh amp.

I love Thiel cs2.4 driven by Nad M2 (5k retail for the amp, and loved by many others). The sound was full from top to bottom. To me, this combination sounded better than Sonus Faber Cremona driven by Mcintosh. I also compared these against many other high end speaker/amp.
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post #154 of 388
5/21/10 at 1:19am
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...I really liked music from the Vento 890 and average NAD amp. It sounded fuller than from Vento Reference 9.2 and Mcintosh amp.

I love Thiel cs2.4 driven by Nad M2...

does this mean, you drive vento 890 by NAD M2 as well?
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post #155 of 388
5/22/10 at 1:54am
No, I'm not that rich yet. I would buy a demo/used NAD M2 at around 2k, but not at 4-5k. I auditioned the combo of Thiel cs2.4 and NAD M2 in Palo alto, CA.

I'm going to audition the combo of Vento 890 and NAD M2 in San Francisco soon (they didn't have the M2 then). I'll also I bet that combo sounds wonderful, but I can't afford a 5k integrated stereo amp. I'm seriously considering a Parasound a21, or NAD. I learned to check out amp and speaker combo before I make these big purchases.

Buy the way that place has an unbeatable deal on Vento Reference 9.2 pair right now.
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post #156 of 388
5/22/10 at 9:14am
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No, I'm not that rich yet. I would buy a demo/used NAD M2 at around 2k, but not at 4-5k. I auditioned the combo of Thiel cs2.4 and NAD M2 in Palo alto, CA.

I'm going to audition the combo of Vento 890 and NAD M2 in San Francisco soon (they didn't have the M2 then). I'll also I bet that combo sounds wonderful, but I can't afford a 5k integrated stereo amp. I'm seriously considering a Parasound a21, or NAD. I learned to check out amp and speaker combo before I make these big purchases.

Buy the way that place has an unbeatable deal on Vento Reference 9.2 pair right now.

volsky,

I'm not sure how open you are to this idea, but check out wyred for sound. You're in Cali & so are they. Here's a nice review:

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Iss...yred4sound.htm
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post #157 of 388
5/22/10 at 2:37pm
I'm pretty much open about type of amp. My requirement is only sound quality. I'm actually contacting a person for a Wyred st500

I've been looking at Wyred4sound st500. I had a chance to get 1 locally for the price of a used parasound a21. I hesitated because Wyred4sound max current is 35amps, vs 60amps for the a21.
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post #158 of 388
6/21/10 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by Vlasto View Post

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Half of year ago I bought Canton Vento 807DC. Excellent looking and also perfectly playing speakers, ...

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Speaker's produce well balanced, clear, musical sound.

Some pics of Canton's, later on I'll add next pics:

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Above from Post# 78 on page 3.

Vlasto,

SWEET SWEET system you've got there.

Could I make one suggestion though. Very minor point, but I notice you have your speakers sitting on pads of carpet, presumably to protect your very nice wood floors.

Consider this, get a couple of square of floor tile, either granite or marble, and cover the bottoms with thin peel'n'stick felt, then place the speakers on the new marble/granite plinths.

The felt will prevent your floors from being scratched. As an alternative, if the felt seems to slippery, consider thin rubber or vinyl, both can be found for a very low price. These will still protect the floors, but will stick more to the wood and prevent movement of the speakers.

One drawback; if your floors are very solid wood, this tighter coupling to the floor will work. However, if you have suspended wood floor, that is, if there is padding under the wood, then this tighter coupling to the floors could cause them to resonate more. In this case, you are probably already using the best method already.

It was just a thought.

Steve/bluewizard
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post #159 of 388
6/25/10 at 11:40am
Hello,

If anyone is interested, I have a pair of new in box (unopened) Canton Karat 770 DC speakers that I am selling on Audiogon. The price is very competitive. I had won them in a contest and I don't need them.

I will be posting them on ebay soon as well.
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post #160 of 388
7/9/10 at 4:56pm
First, I'm not criticizing Canton speaker as a whole. I'm sure they sound great, but I'm a little leery of the frequency response specifications.

As an example, the Ergo 620 is 33...40,000 Hz, which is pretty darn good for a bookshelf speaker with a single 180mm (7") woofer in a modest sized cabinet.

http://canton.de/en/hifi/ergo/produkt/ergo620.htm

However, if we look at this frequency response graph from a review in Home Theater Magazine, we find a very different story -

http://www.hometheatermag.com/compac...em/index3.html

From their tests, we have - "The –3-dB point is at 62 Hz, and the –6-dB point is at 52 Hz." That doesn't look even remotely close to the stated 33hz. In fact, using the graphs, response is down about -25db to -30db at 33hz.

I'm finding this true on other tests for Canton speakers I find.

For example, the Canton GLE 470 rated by Canton at 25...30,000 Hz with twin 7" woofers -

http://canton.de/en/hifi/gleserie/produkt/gle470.htm

However, this test again gives very different results -

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/speaker...em/index5.html

Interpreting the graph using 90db as the zero reference line, -3db is about 55hz, and -6db is about 48hz. That is a far cry from the suggested 25hz specified on the Canton website.

Though they are probably using peak reading rather than average, the reviews state - "Effective bass extension (-10dB): 43Hz (relative to the level at 150Hz)".

I personally think -3db and -6db from the average reading across the frequency range is more than fair.

This makes me NOT trust the Canton frequencies response specifications.

On first look, the spec look absolutely stunning. The Canton Ergo 655 Center speaker has a claimed low end of 26hz, which would imply this would also make a great front speaker, even a great stereo speaker. But given the tests I'm see on other Canton models, 26hz probably means 56hz, which is tolerable, but not great.

Based on what I'm seeing, you should add about 30hz to the low end spec to get the real functional low end rating.

Now, if I can't find trusted, fair, standardized specs on these speakers, how can I even consider buying them?

Can anyone shed some light on this????

Steve/bluewizard
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post #161 of 388
7/14/10 at 2:37am
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Originally Posted by bluewizard View Post

Above from Post# 78 on page 3.

Vlasto,

SWEET SWEET system you've got there.

Could I make one suggestion though. Very minor point, but I notice you have your speakers sitting on pads of carpet, presumably to protect your very nice wood floors.

Consider this, get a couple of square of floor tile, either granite or marble, and cover the bottoms with thin peel'n'stick felt, then place the speakers on the new marble/granite plinths.

The felt will prevent your floors from being scratched. As an alternative, if the felt seems to slippery, consider thin rubber or vinyl, both can be found for a very low price. These will still protect the floors, but will stick more to the wood and prevent movement of the speakers.

One drawback; if your floors are very solid wood, this tighter coupling to the floor will work. However, if you have suspended wood floor, that is, if there is padding under the wood, then this tighter coupling to the floors could cause them to resonate more. In this case, you are probably already using the best method already.

It was just a thought.

Steve/bluewizard


thanx for some tweaks suggestion and tips. Anyway, I recently moved to new flat and I have some more place to place the speakers. I will definitely buy a carpet under and before speakers, which are on the spikes. I'm planning to hang a rough hangings behind them.

When all this will be ready, I'll take some photos and let you know about sound improvement.


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Originally Posted by bluewizard View Post

First, I'm not criticizing Canton speaker as a whole. I'm sure they sound great, but I'm a little leery of the frequency response specifications.

As an example, the Ergo 620 is 33...40,000 Hz, which is pretty darn good for a bookshelf speaker with a single 180mm (7") woofer in a modest sized cabinet.

http://canton.de/en/hifi/ergo/produkt/ergo620.htm

However, if we look at this frequency response graph from a review in Home Theater Magazine, we find a very different story -

http://www.hometheatermag.com/compac...em/index3.html

From their tests, we have - "The -3-dB point is at 62 Hz, and the -6-dB point is at 52 Hz." That doesn't look even remotely close to the stated 33hz. In fact, using the graphs, response is down about -25db to -30db at 33hz.

I'm finding this true on other tests for Canton speakers I find.

For example, the Canton GLE 470 rated by Canton at 25...30,000 Hz with twin 7" woofers -

http://canton.de/en/hifi/gleserie/produkt/gle470.htm

However, this test again gives very different results -

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/speaker...em/index5.html

Interpreting the graph using 90db as the zero reference line, -3db is about 55hz, and -6db is about 48hz. That is a far cry from the suggested 25hz specified on the Canton website.

Though they are probably using peak reading rather than average, the reviews state - "Effective bass extension (-10dB): 43Hz (relative to the level at 150Hz)".

I personally think -3db and -6db from the average reading across the frequency range is more than fair.

This makes me NOT trust the Canton frequencies response specifications.

On first look, the spec look absolutely stunning. The Canton Ergo 655 Center speaker has a claimed low end of 26hz, which would imply this would also make a great front speaker, even a great stereo speaker. But given the tests I'm see on other Canton models, 26hz probably means 56hz, which is tolerable, but not great.

Based on what I'm seeing, you should add about 30hz to the low end spec to get the real functional low end rating.

Now, if I can't find trusted, fair, standardized specs on these speakers, how can I even consider buying them?

Can anyone shed some light on this????

Steve/bluewizard


Just short opinion form my side.

I barely trust specification to different other brands and producers of speakers as well. I don't care that much about frequency range declared by producer. I know that slim floorstanders cannot produce 25 Hz bass response. I prefer to check overall size, sensitivity and then design and of course the sound.
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post #162 of 388
7/14/10 at 11:08am
I'm not against Canton speakers, I would love to have a Home Cinema system based around the Canton Ergo line, and with a Subwoofer, the frequency response wouldn't matter that much.

But, given what seems to be highly exaggerated frequency response statements, which get repeated by re-sellers, I can't see how they don't run into problems with false advertising. Or they haven't gotten in trouble with the EU standards authorities.

I mean the EU standard are trying to force Britain to stop selling ale in PINTS, because pints aren't a metric measurement of liquid.

Statements of -3b or -6db seem to be something of a standard. Yet, Canton seem to give -30db specifications.

Again, in a surround system with a Sub, I wouldn't have a problem. But for a pure, no Sub, stereo, I would be reluctant to buy without some reasonable sense of the true frequency response. That would mean, I would have to find and independent test of the specific speakers I was interested in.

I'm sure Canton are crystal clear, but their exaggerated statement of frequency range bothers me.

Still, I would love to have a full Ergo Home Cinema system in a dedicated room.

Steve/bluewizard
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post #163 of 388
9/6/10 at 11:12am
What dealer in Houston? I would like to audition some also.
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post #164 of 388
9/6/10 at 2:16pm
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What dealer in Houston? I would like to audition some also.

You will have some difficulty auditioning Cantons in Houston. When I bought my Canton Ergo setup in '05, I contacted Canton USA in MN. They were able to put me in touch with the local distributor, that happened to have large Canton Ergos (611, i believe) on display and driven by a JVC (lmao) receiver if my memory serves me. Well, they sounded pretty good even with that setup and I did go ahead and buy them. I've never looked back.
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post #165 of 388
9/23/10 at 7:36pm
I am getting a pair of 690's delivered next week.

Here's my story. I have a pair of Klipsch KLF-20's that I like the sound of but not love. After 10 years I figured it was time to upgrade. So, my local dealer had a pair of RF-83's at 40% off list (I couldn't audition them as they were new in a box and last pair). I bought them thinking I was upgrading. I got them home and was sorely disappointed. They were awesome as far as bass and low-end midrange, but missing something on the upper end for me. So, they went back. A local installer I met told me that the Canton's would blow the Klipsch speakers away. I tend to take opinions with a grain of salt. So, he had a client that he bought a pair of 670's for and asked if I wanted to listen to them. I took him up on the offer and brought some great discs with me. As soon as the first note hit, I knew this was the sound I was looking for.

I wish there were more dealers that had these to let people listen to.

Anyways, I am stoked to be getting a pair. I will post more when I receive them and break them in for a bit.
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post #166 of 388
9/23/10 at 8:30pm
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I am getting a pair of 690's delivered next week.

Her's my story. I have a pair of Klipsch KLF-20's that I like the sound of but not love. After 10 years I figured it was time to upgrade. So, my local dealer had a pair of RF-83's at 40% off list (I couldn't audition them as they were new in a box and last pair). I bought them thinking I was upgrading. I got them home and was sorely disappointed. They were awesome as far as bass and low-end midrange, but missing something on the upper end for me. So, they went back. A local installer I met told me that the Canton's would blow the Klipsch speakers away. I tend to take opinions with a grain of salt. So, he had a client that he bought a pair of 670's for and asked if I wanted to listen to them. I took him up on the offer and brought some great discs with me. As soon as the first note hit, I knew this was the sound I was looking for.

I wish there were more dealers that had these to let people listen to.

Anyways, I am stoked to be getting a pair. I will post more when I receive them and break them in for a bit.

They're worth searching for. I have no doubt you will love them. I have the 2004 year equivalent (Ergo 1002's) and I haven't even thought of looking for any replacements. Enjoy!
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post #167 of 388
9/28/10 at 7:23pm
My local guy got my speakers in tonight. I stopped by and picked them up. I set them up but can't play them at the moment (at least not too loud). I took a few pics.

Tomorrow I will crank them up and see what they can do.
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post #168 of 388
10/20/10 at 7:33pm
Just set up my Canton speakers that I bought today.

GLE 430 fronts
GLE 455 center
GLE 402 surronds

I am very pleased with them in the little music and TV watching I've done. These are the first high end speaker I have bought. Since I live in South Dakota I do not have the opportunity to go to stores and audition Paradigm, Kef, B&W and etc. Would Canton be considered to be in the same league as these speakers? I absolutely love the Cherry wood finish. I was a little worried that it would be too red, but they look great. Not much info on these speakers on this forum... I was glad to see this thread? I think we should all list the set-ups we have and post pictures if at all possible.
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post #169 of 388
10/24/10 at 4:45am
I've got a 15 yr old pair of Canton Karat 920 DC bookshelves that I really enjoy am loath to replace. Can anyone suggest a current center speaker that I could match with these for home cinema use? Doesn't necessarily have to be Canton....
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post #170 of 388
10/24/10 at 7:46am
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I've got a 15 yr old pair of Canton Karat 920 DC bookshelves that I really enjoy am loath to replace. Can anyone suggest a current center speaker that I could match with these for home cinema use? Doesn't necessarily have to be Canton....

Since it would be tough to compare anything with 15 year old speakers, you would probably be just as well to go with Canton. Their might be some sound matching that has carried through the line over the years. Do you live in the U.S.? If so check out ac4l dot com. They are authorized Canton resellers, and currently have an Ergo center and a GLE model. Also, check Audiogon dot com, as there are at least one or two dealers on there that sell older models and you might even find a nice used one. Another idea would be to move your Cantons to the rear and get 3 matching front speakers.
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post #171 of 388
12/27/10 at 6:15pm
Thought I'd post a couple of pictures of my Canton setup. Vento R9s for the front, 855 CM center, and Karat 702s for the surrounds. My sub is a B&W ASW CDM. I'm lovin' it...
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post #172 of 388
12/29/10 at 11:24am
hello,

For the moment i have the vento line in my place (2*890dc, 2*820, center and woofer). They are mainly used for HT and are connected to a marantz avr6003 receiver.

Being also a music lover, i'm looking for a warmsounding amp that i want to drive my fronts (if possible in combination with the sub). Is this combination possible ?

i'm on a budget of around 1000 euros (nad, advancedacoustics,...)

Any suggestions on great sounding amps in combination with the ventos?

thx
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post #173 of 388
12/30/10 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by nicoroman View Post

hello,

For the moment i have the vento line in my place (2*890dc, 2*820, center and woofer). They are mainly used for HT and are connected to a marantz avr6003 receiver.

Being also a music lover, i'm looking for a warmsounding amp that i want to drive my fronts (if possible in combination with the sub). Is this combination possible ?

i'm on a budget of around 1000 euros (nad, advancedacoustics,...)

Any suggestions on great sounding amps in combination with the ventos?

thx

Not sure why you would want to have your amp drive your sub unless it's passive. I have a mcintosh mc-202 which I bought used for $1600 U.S. It's warm and sounds fantastic. You may also want to consider Rotel. They're often mated with B&W speakers as a counter to the brightness of B&W speakers. You could easily get one in your price range. Finally, you may want to consider going the tube route. Butler makes a highly regarded tube hybrid amp that you could easily get used in your price range.

Good luck!
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post #174 of 388
12/30/10 at 1:16pm
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Thought I'd post a couple of pictures of my Canton setup. Vento R9s for the front, 855 CM center, and Karat 702s for the surrounds. My sub is a B&W ASW CDM. I'm lovin' it...

Nice man. I'm loving my GLE set-up. I bet those sound great.
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post #175 of 388
1/12/11 at 2:50pm
I just listened to some Canton's at IQ Home Entertainment in Fairfax, VA (outside of DC). I'm sad to say I can't remember the models (one bookshelf pair priced at $250/speaker and one tower set priced at my $700-$850 per speaker). I thought they sounded fantastic. The bookshelf seemed like an especially good value--thinking about getting them as right, left, and center for my home theater. Wish I could remember the model. I can't seem to find a Canton online at that price point, but if anyone knows what it might have been...

And if anyone is looking for a dealer in the DC area, the folks at IQ were really friendly and helpful. Nice store.
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post #176 of 388
1/13/11 at 10:59am
Nice to see a little action on this thread. I only recently discovered Canton a couple months ago during my upgrade process. First I had decided to go for the Monitor Audio RX line after auditioning them, then decided to save of for the GX that's supposed to be released this year, then saw the Canton Vento line. Fell in love with them aesthetically and read some pretty good reviews. I ended up ordering the Vento 855cm in high gloss black from accessories4less.com to test it out and I thought the sound was on par, if not, exceeding the build quality of the speaker. I ended up purchasing the Vento 890DC's at a great price from a retailer in Germany, importing here into the US. It was greatly cheaper that way instead of buying them here in the States. I'm currently running in the 890DC's with about 75 hours in.
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post #177 of 388
1/13/11 at 12:03pm
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I just listened to some Canton's at IQ Home Entertainment in Fairfax, VA (outside of DC). I'm sad to say I can't remember the models (one bookshelf pair priced at $250/speaker and one tower set priced at my $700-$850 per speaker). I thought they sounded fantastic. The bookshelf seemed like an especially good value--thinking about getting them as right, left, and center for my home theater. Wish I could remember the model. I can't seem to find a Canton online at that price point, but if anyone knows what it might have been...

And if anyone is looking for a dealer in the DC area, the folks at IQ were really friendly and helpful. Nice store.

I'm willing to bet the bookshelf speakers were apart of the GLE series. I'm guessing GLE 402 or 403's... I use the 402's for my side speakers and have the 430's for my mains.

The towers I'm not sure about as I don't know what the GLE towers cost.
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post #178 of 388
1/13/11 at 8:07pm
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I'm willing to bet the bookshelf speakers were apart of the GLE series. I'm guessing GLE 402 or 403's... I use the 402's for my side speakers and have the 430's for my mains.

The towers I'm not sure about as I don't know what the GLE towers cost.

That could be right. I first listened to three sets of towers: Monitor Audio, Klipsch and Focal. Also some Klipsch and Monitor Audio bookshelf sets, I think. I came away really impressed by the Canton's...I guess they were 402 or 403s. And I was shopping for mains. The towers could have been for 470 or 490's I suppose.

I didn't really know about Canton before I saw them in the store. That doesn't mean much because I don't know much about even the most common brands, but does Canton just have a smaller distribution? Are they a newer company? Not as solid of a reputation?
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post #179 of 388
1/14/11 at 6:38am
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That could be right. I first listened to three sets of towers: Monitor Audio, Klipsch and Focal. Also some Klipsch and Monitor Audio bookshelf sets, I think. I came away really impressed by the Canton's...I guess they were 402 or 403s. And I was shopping for mains. The towers could have been for 470 or 490's I suppose.

I didn't really know about Canton before I saw them in the store. That doesn't mean much because I don't know much about even the most common brands, but does Canton just have a smaller distribution? Are they a newer company? Not as solid of a reputation?

Canton has been around for awhile. I still own my first set I bought over 20 years ago. They're a German manufacturer though, and don't have a huge presence here in the U.S. They're often described as Germany's B&W (not in sound, but in reputation).

Stereophile and Absolute Sound have both done reviews of Canton in the last few years. Stereophile is very positive on them; Absolute Sound is not. The only opinion that matters, of course, is yours.

Hope that helps, and good luck!
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post #180 of 388
1/14/11 at 6:45am
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Originally Posted by filmfan214 View Post

That could be right. I first listened to three sets of towers: Monitor Audio, Klipsch and Focal. Also some Klipsch and Monitor Audio bookshelf sets, I think. I came away really impressed by the Canton's...I guess they were 402 or 403s. And I was shopping for mains. The towers could have been for 470 or 490's I suppose.

I didn't really know about Canton before I saw them in the store. That doesn't mean much because I don't know much about even the most common brands, but does Canton just have a smaller distribution? Are they a newer company? Not as solid of a reputation?

Like he said they are just not very well known in the states. When I was searching for speakers I had a hell of a time finding someone on AVS that had even heard them. I can tell you that I love my speakers. Don't let it scare you away from buying them just because many people have not heard them. It sounds like you have listened to several different brands... go with what sounds best. If the Cantons sounded the best to you, I would not back away.
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