MISSION owners thread. - Page 8

Thanks to bitpoh and sterankoman. I have already improved the sound with this revolutionary step: I read the instructions for my avr-1603. I might not be a fool but I am a bit behind on the times. When I was at university (ok, it was in the 80's) we only had base, treble and volume to worry about. Subwoofer eh? I'll look into. First time I hear about a 2.1 system...

Hi there,

Just picked up a Denon 2808CI and was considering getting a pair of e81s as the fronts instead of e82s for a room 21' x 20'. Would they lack depth in a room that size?

Has anyone had experience using e81 as the main front speakers rather than using them as rear surrounds?

One last question, does anyone know who sells Mission in the GTA so I can go check some out?

Thanks in advance for any help.

I ordered a av123 x-sub yesterday. The reviews are good, the price is right and they are beautiful. I ordered the palissander rosa finish and will be getting it sometime in November. If I like it I will let you know, you and bitpoh will get my thanks. If I don't like I'll keep it to myself!

I own a pair of Mission e80's which are 5 db less effiecient than the e81's, They both roll off around 80 hz requiring a subwoofer. I am a multi Mission owner and wanted to love my new e80's but..........they don't cut it as main fronts for a 2.1 or HT set up.

They are too laid back to hold my attention.

The e81's being way more efficient up around 90 db/watt may be voiced different. I hope they are. If you can hear them in person as they may sound quite different from the e80's. They have the same drivers but contain 2 woofers instead of 1 like the e80.

On the other hand they (e80's) aren't aggressive sounding at all. I can play any music on them and they don't sizzle off my ears. One of the good points of these speakers is that they have a very smooth sound to them that never honks, sqwanks or sounds shrill. They are exceedingly smooth sounding.....I think I'm repeating myself.

I'm listening to them (e80's) right now in my nearfield system 3 feet behind me as I sit at my computer. They make excellent nearfield speakers because of their smooth sound (I think I already mentioned that).

Everyone hears differently as shown by craigsub's GTG a couple of weeks ago. What I think sounds laid back may sound perfect to you. I'm comparing them to my other Mission speakers that have a slightly more forward sound.

I hope an actual owner of a pair of e81's can tell you they are the cats ass and the best speakers on the planet.

django1,

I have the M74’s and they rock extremely well. Whilst they are quite efficient speakers, I suspect it is a degree of power they are missing as I believe the 1603 gives about 70wpc which whilst enough for some music as you state, might not be enough at other times.

I have a big room and started out with a Marantz receiver at about 85wpc and whilst happy at first, became a bit concerned like you over time that ‘something’ was missing. Their performance improved out of sight when funds allowed me to add a good active sub as the sub amplifier took over the low frequency driving load that left the receiver power to drive the rest. There was nearly as much further improvement when I eventually replaced the Marantz with an Arcam AVR300 with a genuine 100+ wpc, all channels driven. Here the M74’s could well and truly rock on their own without even using the sub for stereo.

Don’t misunderstand, the 1603 is a fine first up receiver but more power can really help release the true m74 potential and an active sub is certainly one way of doing that and your choice is a good one.

I appreciate your feedback on the m74. I will keep in mind what you have said about power. Thanks

Thanks a lot sterankoman, hopefully I get a chance to check out the e81s in person.

hi!

thanks for input.

i ended up with the m30. i can't believe i waited 5 years to complete my set-up. having surrounds adds so much to the movie-viewing experience! (well, at least for those dvds where surround sound is available).

I went to my local A&B Sound today to see if they had some Missions in stock.

Turns out Mission lost their Canadian distributor when their partnership with Denon fell apart, but they should be back sometime in November.

I told the salesman that I liked the pair that I heard at someone's house and that I would be back. He replied "They certainly have a different sound than many other speakers"

I was a bit confused by this... is their "different sound" a good thing?

The salesman was correct. They sound better than many loudspeakers on the market. Listen for yourself and judge.

One mistake people make when setting up Missions is that they place the tweeter at ear level. That's true for most speakers but not Missions. your ears should be level with the tops of the cabinets. Mission designs their tweeters to be listened off axis. The "sweet spot" is larger IMHO with Missions due to the hemispherical radiating pattern of a sphere that does not rely on a single spot on the dome for the sweet spot. The "sweet spot" on a Mission dome tweeter is ring shaped approx. 10 degrees from the apex.

Missions like many other speaker don't sound good when standing up. The imaging qualities come out when the listener is seated at the proper height.

The best sounding Missions IMHO are the Volare series and the m6 series. I hope you have an opportunity to hear them.

sebberry,

Perhaps I'm cynical but in my experience, a dealer that throws in a line like that is often angling at something else. Perhaps to cast doubt to head you towards something else and to see if you are really serious in waiting to hear the Missions. Besides, as sterankoman rightly puts it, he is correct in that ALL speakers sound different, he just forgot the good' different bit.

Missions are not perfect for everyone and I for example have Vanderstein's in my stereo area but even the budget Mission lines perform astonishingly well and are huge value for money. I am extremely happy with my HT system and if in fact I ever feel an urge to upgrade it (and I never have yet), some of the newer Missions would be high in the pecking order. But mine is just another opinion, stick to your guns, insist on a comparative listen and go for what sounds 'good' to you.

Here is my Mission System. I am very impressed with a fairly inexpensive speaker line that can out-perform very high-end, overpriced speakers. Unfortunately my place is too small to setup a second surround system. =(
752 tower speakers oak
75C center speaker black
77ds surround speakers black

Well I'm back on the Mission bandwagon. I sold-off my M32i a while back when I picked-up a sweet pair of Infinity Beta 20 for $150, but I grew to miss them, so I went on the hunt, and BINGO! I picked up a NIB pair on eBay for (drum-roll please) $97.

These will go with my Marantz SR5400 in a bedroom, while the Beta 20 will go with a recently acquired (NIB $150) HK3485 in the living room.

Outstanding buy. I was surprised that they went for less than $150/pr. $97 is a bargin. Well done.

Now you can provide us with a real world comparison between the Beta 20's and the Mission M32's.

P.S.

Excerciseguy, didn't you pick up a pair of Tekton Design loudspeakers a while ago? What do you think of them?

Sebberry,

Do you know which Missions A&B still had in stock?

Thanks
Dennis

I've compared the two elsewhere, suffice it to say, the two are both great, with the Beta 20 possessing a noticeable edge in bass characteristics & overall scale, while the M32i has slightly better imaging.

The Tektons are a different beast all together.

Exceptionally detailed & airy is how I would describe them, with fast, lively bass. I paired them up with the ridiculously talented Trends TA10.1 & a ($40) Pioneer DV578A and they were a brilliant match, creating what I am certain, is perhaps one the best dollar to dollar values going, particularly if you favor live and/or acoustic recordings, which I do.

However, I don't have the right place for them at moment, and I've tucked them away for now, but hopefully not for long.

Would the M7DS be a workable choice in a small living room where I've already got a 7.1 setup? I like my M70's in another room so I'm thinking of upgrading my surrounds in the living room. Never had bi/dipole speakers before I don't really know what to expect from 4 of these within 15 feet (or less) of each other.

Also, how do these mount? I assume it's just a flat up agains the wall type thing but I was curious if they'll mount on some kind of universal speaker pivot mount.

The m7ds mount flush on the wall with a keyhole slot on the rear surface.
Since the sound radiates from two angled surfaces there really isn't a need to direct the sound unless all 4 are on the same wall. I don't believe Mission make any type of wall mount for them. Ideally two would be mounted on the wall behind your listening position and the other two would be mounted on each side wall facing each other inline with your listening position.

They also don't handle bass well. You will need to set your surrounds to SMALL.

which of those beautis u can advise me for resiver db 795 ?

Spoken by one who knows. I had a pair of 770 Freedoms some 15 years ago and wish I had never traded them. The horn loaded tweeter was superb and the midrange was to die for. My present Paradigm set up powered by a Sony 3000Es is terrfifc but........... Sigh.

Read the posts by exerciseguy, he has owned both. Each has strengths over the other in different areas. You choose which is more important to you.

I wrote this after reading his message. I got no chance to compare them personaly. The place i live did not rich for hi-fi shops (Belarus, Brest). I accent my question about matching my receiver with this pairs of acoustic. Now i have infinity oreus home cinema system. It satisfy me as cinema complect, but in music listening not so much. And yet another questin : now my receiver turned to 4 om position (oreus is 6 om, and manual says that i have to choose not 8 but 4 om position). I will connect beta or m32 to speeker B contacts in receiver, they are 8 om, what kind of problem i will have?

Do you own a Sony STR-DB795 reciever? Either of those speakers that you are considering well play fine on your reciever whether you play them on the A or B speaker terminals. Are you currently running any other speakers on your reciever?

Yes, i own a Sony STR-DB795 was brought from Moscow .
Just infinity oreus 5.1, and it happens occasionaly, they was cofiscate on boder and was sold in my town, such kind of acoustic not use to appears in my region :-(, just tresh like bbk, shinco. It ~s preety difficult realise my wishes here. That~s why I am asking such a childish question

I'm not real worried about bass, I've got an SVS sub so I'm way ahead of you on setting speakers to "small". I may think seriously about getting the SBS-01 package from SVS but I'm still debating this. What I really need is a bigger house for more room to play with speakers

With more & more time, I am increasingly convinced that the Beta 20 are the very best sounding bookshelf speaker under $500/pr., and perhaps up to & competitive with any speaker under $1500/pr., yes, I think they're that good. The fact that they can be had for $250/pr. delivered should make them a no brainer for anyone in the market for a large bookshelf.

The Mission M32i are great (particularly at the price I paid for them, $96) but have noticeably less presence than the Beta 20, IMHO. The Betas simply sound bigger & better. The M32i mate beautifully with NAD, Marantz, and Cambridge, but I have no idea what they'll sound like with a Sony; I haven't had much listening time with Sony in the last decade or three.

As I've stated, the speaker I'd keep an eye & a ear out for are the AV123 X-LS SWG, from everything I can tell, it's going to a monster.

My e52's arrive on Monday (tomorrow) so it will be a few days before I can comment.

I really didn't buy them for a multi-channel HT system. I was looking for something that would give my Volare v60's a run for their money in the holographic midrange department for a 2.1 system. I love the look and build quality of the e80's and I wanted another pair of these futuristic looking speakers that sound closer to the Volare series.

The e52's are a larger bass reflex design as opposed to the smaller sealed acoustic suspension design of the e80's. Even though I plan to use them for music I will keep an eye out on eBay for an e5c center channel speaker should I want to incorporate the e52's into a multi-channel HT system in the future. I'm not sure if I would choose the e8c center channel speaker due to the laid back nature of my e80's.