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post #211 of 475
Thanks to bitpoh and sterankoman. I have already improved the sound with this revolutionary step: I read the instructions for my avr-1603. I might not be a fool but I am a bit behind on the times. When I was at university (ok, it was in the 80's) we only had base, treble and volume to worry about. Subwoofer eh? I'll look into. First time I hear about a 2.1 system...
post #212 of 475
Hi there,

Just picked up a Denon 2808CI and was considering getting a pair of e81s as the fronts instead of e82s for a room 21' x 20'. Would they lack depth in a room that size?

Has anyone had experience using e81 as the main front speakers rather than using them as rear surrounds?

One last question, does anyone know who sells Mission in the GTA so I can go check some out?

Thanks in advance for any help.
post #213 of 475
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Originally Posted by sterankoman View Post

Nobody's a fool who picks Denon and Mission for their first stereo.

Bitpoh is right on about adding a subwoofer to your system. What you are missing with your current setup is the bass slam that is in rock music that can be provided by a good subwoofer.

I have recently added an Outlaw LFM-1 compact to replace an older sub that was in my system and I can easily recommend an Outlaw subwoofer.

There are a few reasonably priced subs that you can add to your system to create an awesome 2.1 system. Slide on over to the subwoofer forum and do some reading for many informed opinions about the current subs available.

Two highly regarded subs that are on backorder is the AV123 X sub and the Acculine Asub, they won't be available for another month or so.

I ordered a av123 x-sub yesterday. The reviews are good, the price is right and they are beautiful. I ordered the palissander rosa finish and will be getting it sometime in November. If I like it I will let you know, you and bitpoh will get my thanks. If I don't like I'll keep it to myself!
post #214 of 475
I own a pair of Mission e80's which are 5 db less effiecient than the e81's, They both roll off around 80 hz requiring a subwoofer. I am a multi Mission owner and wanted to love my new e80's but..........they don't cut it as main fronts for a 2.1 or HT set up.

They are too laid back to hold my attention.

The e81's being way more efficient up around 90 db/watt may be voiced different. I hope they are. If you can hear them in person as they may sound quite different from the e80's. They have the same drivers but contain 2 woofers instead of 1 like the e80.

On the other hand they (e80's) aren't aggressive sounding at all. I can play any music on them and they don't sizzle off my ears. One of the good points of these speakers is that they have a very smooth sound to them that never honks, sqwanks or sounds shrill. They are exceedingly smooth sounding.....I think I'm repeating myself.

I'm listening to them (e80's) right now in my nearfield system 3 feet behind me as I sit at my computer. They make excellent nearfield speakers because of their smooth sound (I think I already mentioned that).

Everyone hears differently as shown by craigsub's GTG a couple of weeks ago. What I think sounds laid back may sound perfect to you. I'm comparing them to my other Mission speakers that have a slightly more forward sound.

I hope an actual owner of a pair of e81's can tell you they are the cats ass and the best speakers on the planet.
post #215 of 475
django1,

I have the M74’s and they rock extremely well. Whilst they are quite efficient speakers, I suspect it is a degree of power they are missing as I believe the 1603 gives about 70wpc which whilst enough for some music as you state, might not be enough at other times.

I have a big room and started out with a Marantz receiver at about 85wpc and whilst happy at first, became a bit concerned like you over time that ‘something’ was missing. Their performance improved out of sight when funds allowed me to add a good active sub as the sub amplifier took over the low frequency driving load that left the receiver power to drive the rest. There was nearly as much further improvement when I eventually replaced the Marantz with an Arcam AVR300 with a genuine 100+ wpc, all channels driven. Here the M74’s could well and truly rock on their own without even using the sub for stereo.

Don’t misunderstand, the 1603 is a fine first up receiver but more power can really help release the true m74 potential and an active sub is certainly one way of doing that and your choice is a good one.
post #216 of 475
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django1,

I have the M74’s and they rock extremely well. Whilst they are quite efficient speakers, I suspect it is a degree of power they are missing as I believe the 1603 gives about 70wpc which whilst enough for some music as you state, might not be enough at other times.

I have a big room and started out with a Marantz receiver at about 85wpc and whilst happy at first, became a bit concerned like you over time that ‘something’ was missing. Their performance improved out of sight when funds allowed me to add a good active sub as the sub amplifier took over the low frequency driving load that left the receiver power to drive the rest. There was nearly as much further improvement when I eventually replaced the Marantz with an Arcam AVR300 with a genuine 100+ wpc, all channels driven. Here the M74’s could well and truly rock on their own without even using the sub for stereo.

Don’t misunderstand, the 1603 is a fine first up receiver but more power can really help release the true m74 potential and an active sub is certainly one way of doing that and your choice is a good one.

I appreciate your feedback on the m74. I will keep in mind what you have said about power. Thanks
post #217 of 475
Thanks a lot sterankoman, hopefully I get a chance to check out the e81s in person.
post #218 of 475
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aprilryan,
Perhaps in an A/B test you might tell a difference but for surround duties, there is unlikely to be any discernable differences between the m70 and m30 in my opinion. The m70 however may match better with the m73's though.

The m7ds question however is more about whether bipoles or monopoles would suit your room/setup and sound preference better. Personally I started with m7ds as surrounds in a 5.1 setup and added m71i's as rears when I upgraded my receiver and went to 7.1 but that was simply the correct solution for my rather long room and my tastes. As a broad generalisation, bi/dipoles tend to give a more diffuse surround effect and monopoles less diffuse and more locatable sound so in reality, it depends on what you prefer in your initial 5.1 setup and your options in positioning the speakers. Diffuse simply suited me. Nothing to stop other options either such as m70s all around either. Best to search for other threads with good advice on layouts and setups. Whichever way you go, any of the speakers listed will do a good job.

hi!

thanks for input.

i ended up with the m30. i can't believe i waited 5 years to complete my set-up. having surrounds adds so much to the movie-viewing experience! (well, at least for those dvds where surround sound is available).
post #219 of 475
I went to my local A&B Sound today to see if they had some Missions in stock.

Turns out Mission lost their Canadian distributor when their partnership with Denon fell apart, but they should be back sometime in November.

I told the salesman that I liked the pair that I heard at someone's house and that I would be back. He replied "They certainly have a different sound than many other speakers"

I was a bit confused by this... is their "different sound" a good thing?
post #220 of 475
The salesman was correct. They sound better than many loudspeakers on the market. Listen for yourself and judge.

One mistake people make when setting up Missions is that they place the tweeter at ear level. That's true for most speakers but not Missions. your ears should be level with the tops of the cabinets. Mission designs their tweeters to be listened off axis. The "sweet spot" is larger IMHO with Missions due to the hemispherical radiating pattern of a sphere that does not rely on a single spot on the dome for the sweet spot. The "sweet spot" on a Mission dome tweeter is ring shaped approx. 10 degrees from the apex.

Missions like many other speaker don't sound good when standing up. The imaging qualities come out when the listener is seated at the proper height.

The best sounding Missions IMHO are the Volare series and the m6 series. I hope you have an opportunity to hear them.
post #221 of 475
sebberry,

Perhaps I'm cynical but in my experience, a dealer that throws in a line like that is often angling at something else. Perhaps to cast doubt to head you towards something else and to see if you are really serious in waiting to hear the Missions. Besides, as sterankoman rightly puts it, he is correct in that ALL speakers sound different, he just forgot the good' different bit.

Missions are not perfect for everyone and I for example have Vanderstein's in my stereo area but even the budget Mission lines perform astonishingly well and are huge value for money. I am extremely happy with my HT system and if in fact I ever feel an urge to upgrade it (and I never have yet), some of the newer Missions would be high in the pecking order. But mine is just another opinion, stick to your guns, insist on a comparative listen and go for what sounds 'good' to you.
post #222 of 475
Here is my Mission System. I am very impressed with a fairly inexpensive speaker line that can out-perform very high-end, overpriced speakers. Unfortunately my place is too small to setup a second surround system. =(
752 tower speakers oak
75C center speaker black
77ds surround speakers black
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post #223 of 475
Well I'm back on the Mission bandwagon. I sold-off my M32i a while back when I picked-up a sweet pair of Infinity Beta 20 for $150, but I grew to miss them, so I went on the hunt, and BINGO! I picked up a NIB pair on eBay for (drum-roll please) $97.

These will go with my Marantz SR5400 in a bedroom, while the Beta 20 will go with a recently acquired (NIB $150) HK3485 in the living room.
post #224 of 475
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Well I'm back on the Mission bandwagon. I sold-off my M32i a while back when I picked-up a sweet pair of Infinity Beta 20 for $150, but I grew to miss them, so I went on the hunt, and BINGO! I picked up a NIB pair on eBay for (drum-roll please) $97.

These will go with my Marantz SR5400 in a bedroom, while the Beta 20 will go with a recently acquired (NIB $150) HK3485 in the living room.

Outstanding buy. I was surprised that they went for less than $150/pr. $97 is a bargin. Well done.

Now you can provide us with a real world comparison between the Beta 20's and the Mission M32's.

P.S.

Excerciseguy, didn't you pick up a pair of Tekton Design loudspeakers a while ago? What do you think of them?
post #225 of 475
Sebberry,

Do you know which Missions A&B still had in stock?

Thanks
Dennis
post #226 of 475
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Originally Posted by sterankoman View Post

Outstanding buy. I was surprised that they went for less than $150/pr. $97 is a bargin. Well done.

Now you can provide us with a real world comparison between the Beta 20's and the Mission M32's.

P.S.

Excerciseguy, didn't you pick up a pair of Tekton Design loudspeakers a while ago? What do you think of them?

I've compared the two elsewhere, suffice it to say, the two are both great, with the Beta 20 possessing a noticeable edge in bass characteristics & overall scale, while the M32i has slightly better imaging.

The Tektons are a different beast all together.

Exceptionally detailed & airy is how I would describe them, with fast, lively bass. I paired them up with the ridiculously talented Trends TA10.1 & a ($40) Pioneer DV578A and they were a brilliant match, creating what I am certain, is perhaps one the best dollar to dollar values going, particularly if you favor live and/or acoustic recordings, which I do.

However, I don't have the right place for them at moment, and I've tucked them away for now, but hopefully not for long.
post #227 of 475
Would the M7DS be a workable choice in a small living room where I've already got a 7.1 setup? I like my M70's in another room so I'm thinking of upgrading my surrounds in the living room. Never had bi/dipole speakers before I don't really know what to expect from 4 of these within 15 feet (or less) of each other.

Also, how do these mount? I assume it's just a flat up agains the wall type thing but I was curious if they'll mount on some kind of universal speaker pivot mount.
post #228 of 475
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Originally Posted by Hunter844 View Post

Would the M7DS be a workable choice in a small living room where I've already got a 7.1 setup? I like my M70's in another room so I'm thinking of upgrading my surrounds in the living room. Never had bi/dipole speakers before I don't really know what to expect from 4 of these within 15 feet (or less) of each other.

Also, how do these mount? I assume it's just a flat up agains the wall type thing but I was curious if they'll mount on some kind of universal speaker pivot mount.

The m7ds mount flush on the wall with a keyhole slot on the rear surface.
Since the sound radiates from two angled surfaces there really isn't a need to direct the sound unless all 4 are on the same wall. I don't believe Mission make any type of wall mount for them. Ideally two would be mounted on the wall behind your listening position and the other two would be mounted on each side wall facing each other inline with your listening position.

They also don't handle bass well. You will need to set your surrounds to SMALL.
post #229 of 475
which of those beautis u can advise me for resiver db 795 ?
post #230 of 475
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Originally Posted by sterankoman View Post

The salesman was correct. They sound better than many loudspeakers on the market. Listen for yourself and judge.

One mistake people make when setting up Missions is that they place the tweeter at ear level. That's true for most speakers but not Missions. your ears should be level with the tops of the cabinets. Mission designs their tweeters to be listened off axis. The "sweet spot" is larger IMHO with Missions due to the hemispherical radiating pattern of a sphere that does not rely on a single spot on the dome for the sweet spot. The "sweet spot" on a Mission dome tweeter is ring shaped approx. 10 degrees from the apex.

Missions like many other speaker don't sound good when standing up. The imaging qualities come out when the listener is seated at the proper height.

The best sounding Missions IMHO are the Volare series and the m6 series. I hope you have an opportunity to hear them.

Spoken by one who knows. I had a pair of 770 Freedoms some 15 years ago and wish I had never traded them. The horn loaded tweeter was superb and the midrange was to die for. My present Paradigm set up powered by a Sony 3000Es is terrfifc but........... Sigh.
post #231 of 475
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which of those beautis u can advise me for resiver db 795 ?

Read the posts by exerciseguy, he has owned both. Each has strengths over the other in different areas. You choose which is more important to you.
post #232 of 475
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Read the posts by exerciseguy, he has owned both. Each has strengths over the other in different areas. You choose which is more important to you.

I wrote this after reading his message. I got no chance to compare them personaly. The place i live did not rich for hi-fi shops (Belarus, Brest). I accent my question about matching my receiver with this pairs of acoustic. Now i have infinity oreus home cinema system. It satisfy me as cinema complect, but in music listening not so much. And yet another questin : now my receiver turned to 4 om position (oreus is 6 om, and manual says that i have to choose not 8 but 4 om position). I will connect beta or m32 to speeker B contacts in receiver, they are 8 om, what kind of problem i will have?
post #233 of 475
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I wrote this after reading his message. I got no chance to compare them personaly. The place i live did not rich for hi-fi shops (Belarus, Brest). I accent my question about matching my receiver with this pairs of acoustic. Now i have infinity oreus home cinema system. It satisfy me as cinema complect, but in music listening not so much. And yet another questin : now my receiver turned to 4 om position (oreus is 6 om, and manual says that i have to choose not 8 but 4 om position). I will connect beta or m32 to speeker B contacts in receiver, they are 8 om, what kind of problem i will have?

Do you own a Sony STR-DB795 reciever? Either of those speakers that you are considering well play fine on your reciever whether you play them on the A or B speaker terminals. Are you currently running any other speakers on your reciever?
post #234 of 475
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Do you own a Sony STR-DB795 reciever? Either of those speakers that you are considering well play fine on your reciever whether you play them on the A or B speaker terminals. Are you currently running any other speakers on your reciever?

Yes, i own a Sony STR-DB795 was brought from Moscow .
Just infinity oreus 5.1, and it happens occasionaly, they was cofiscate on boder and was sold in my town, such kind of acoustic not use to appears in my region :-(, just tresh like bbk, shinco. It ~s preety difficult realise my wishes here. That~s why I am asking such a childish question
post #235 of 475
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The m7ds mount flush on the wall with a keyhole slot on the rear surface.
Since the sound radiates from two angled surfaces there really isn't a need to direct the sound unless all 4 are on the same wall. I don't believe Mission make any type of wall mount for them. Ideally two would be mounted on the wall behind your listening position and the other two would be mounted on each side wall facing each other inline with your listening position.

They also don't handle bass well. You will need to set your surrounds to SMALL.

I'm not real worried about bass, I've got an SVS sub so I'm way ahead of you on setting speakers to "small". I may think seriously about getting the SBS-01 package from SVS but I'm still debating this. What I really need is a bigger house for more room to play with speakers
post #236 of 475
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which of those beautis u can advise me for resiver db 795 ?

With more & more time, I am increasingly convinced that the Beta 20 are the very best sounding bookshelf speaker under $500/pr., and perhaps up to & competitive with any speaker under $1500/pr., yes, I think they're that good. The fact that they can be had for $250/pr. delivered should make them a no brainer for anyone in the market for a large bookshelf.

The Mission M32i are great (particularly at the price I paid for them, $96) but have noticeably less presence than the Beta 20, IMHO. The Betas simply sound bigger & better. The M32i mate beautifully with NAD, Marantz, and Cambridge, but I have no idea what they'll sound like with a Sony; I haven't had much listening time with Sony in the last decade or three.

As I've stated, the speaker I'd keep an eye & a ear out for are the AV123 X-LS SWG, from everything I can tell, it's going to a monster.
post #237 of 475
Thread Starter 
hey fellas. glad to see my original mission thread is still thumping away! we are a rare breed .

i've had alot going on- got married 2 weeks ago which had put my obsession on hold for the time being. now i'm back in a worse way. i've resumed my obsession towards vinyl and 2 (.1) audio. picked up a cheap turntable and am using that in my media room. my media room still consists of an old technics receiver that i'm running my Mac into and now a turntable to my trusty M70s and the little x-sub. sounds very nice. the sound of good vinyl... so incredible.

how are these e52's? was thinking about running them all the way around in the HT (got a new 46" 1080p sharp LCD as a wedding gift) and moving the m31's in here to replace the m60 in my little media room.
post #238 of 475
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how are these e52's? was thinking about running them all the way around in the HT (got a new 46" 1080p sharp LCD as a wedding gift) and moving the m31's in here to replace the m60 in my little media room.

My e52's arrive on Monday (tomorrow) so it will be a few days before I can comment.
post #239 of 475
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My e52's arrive on Monday (tomorrow) so it will be a few days before I can comment.

let me know how you feel about them. what center channel are you planning on using with them? i do love my m7c2 but, would consider upgrading (and selling the m7c2). however the only step up here i can see is the E8c which at $699 could be a nice goal to work toward excpet i wonder if it would suit the E80 or the E82 floorstanders better.

my other consideration is the E80 up front with the E8c and some E52's in back sticking with the m7ds at the sides. but, feel i would be losing out in the side slots with the m7ds... now i'm confusing myself!

let us know how you feel about the e52's over the e80. this is a semi long term upgrade that will take awhile to piece together. would be nice to see how the e52's work with an e8c or m7c2 which would save a bunch in the long run. but, i am willing to spend more to get more in the long run even if it takes more time to accomplish that mission (pun intended).
post #240 of 475
I really didn't buy them for a multi-channel HT system. I was looking for something that would give my Volare v60's a run for their money in the holographic midrange department for a 2.1 system. I love the look and build quality of the e80's and I wanted another pair of these futuristic looking speakers that sound closer to the Volare series.

The e52's are a larger bass reflex design as opposed to the smaller sealed acoustic suspension design of the e80's. Even though I plan to use them for music I will keep an eye out on eBay for an e5c center channel speaker should I want to incorporate the e52's into a multi-channel HT system in the future. I'm not sure if I would choose the e8c center channel speaker due to the laid back nature of my e80's.
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