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post #241 of 457
12/1/07 at 7:13am
I went ahead and ordered a pair of m31's for side surrounds and m7ds for the rear surrounds. Might at some point maybe in the late spring replace my fronts with a couple more m31's, but I'm not sure what to do about the center. I may just leave well enough alone up front.

Anyway...I need some words of wisdom on wall mounts? Will any quality universal wall mount work or do I really need the "mission" wall mounts? Will the m31 even mount on a wall? I thought about having them on stands down near ear level pointed inward towards my ears on each side of my couch but if I could figure a way to mount and tilt them I might do that.
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post #242 of 457
12/1/07 at 7:50am
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the m31's do not have mounting holes. normally you want them about 10" or so away from the wall unless you keep the rear bass ports plugged (mine are open). if you are going to mount them you will either have to drill the cases in the rear - which isn't a biggie usually but you would have to pull the woofer and tweeter out on the M31 which would be a pain. or you will need a mount like this i suppose that has a bottom shelf on it - http://www.standsandmounts.com/index...OD&ProdID=3910 . these are an example of what i would use there are others out there.

the mission wall mounts as far as i know really only work with the M70 and they work well as i have them in the rears of my HT. you may want to consider the m31 in the rear and the m7ds on the sides though. which is the way i have it set up. the m31 are going to protrude QUITE a bit from your side walls, and i prefer the rear speakers to be direct radiators. i've also considered M7ds all the way around the rear and back whenever i upgrade my m31 mains. But, that may be a while now as i search for a suitable center to match whatever mains i upgrade to if i choose the e52's over the e80 in time. BTW the m31 work fine as mains with the m7c1 which is what i ran before i found the m7c2.
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post #243 of 457
12/1/07 at 8:03am
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the m31's do not have mounting holes. normally you want them about 10" or so away from the wall unless you keep the rear bass ports plugged (mine are open). if you are going to mount them you will either have to drill the cases in the rear - which isn't a biggie usually but you would have to pull the woofer and tweeter out on the M31 which would be a pain. or you will need a mount like this i suppose that has a bottom shelf on it - http://www.standsandmounts.com/index...OD&ProdID=3910 . these are an example of what i would use there are others out there.

the mission wall mounts as far as i know really only work with the M70 and they work well as i have them in the rears of my HT. you may want to consider the m31 in the rear and the m7ds on the sides though. which is the way i have it set up. the m31 are going to protrude QUITE a bit from your side walls, and i prefer the rear speakers to be direct radiators. i've also considered M7ds all the way around the rear and back whenever i upgrade my m31 mains. But, that may be a while now as i search for a suitable center to match whatever mains i upgrade to if i choose the e52's over the e80 in time. BTW the m31 work fine as mains with the m7c1 which is what i ran before i found the m7c2.

Well my living room is rather poorly designed for speaker mounting so I'm just going to have to make do. I've got a wall behind the couch where I figured I'd put the bi-poles and then put the m31's on stands pointed towards the key listening position. Once they arrive I'll have a better idea what I want to do but I probably try what you suggest but I don't know that it will work for my case.
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post #244 of 457
12/1/07 at 8:12am
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yes, my living room is weird and SMALL. it depends on your side walls i guess. if you have any side walls the you can mount the m7ds higher so they bounce off the ceiling and spread the sound out. but if you can mount the m31 on speaker stands that is probably the way to go whether you put them on the sides or in the rear. this way you can give them the room they need away from the wall for the bass ports.

on another note i just realized - duh- that tsto has the volare v62 floorstanders. does anyone use them with a m7c2? this may be my perfect upgrade option. then move my m31 to the rear position pick up a second pair of m31 for my media room 2.1. and then, i'd have a complete m70/m7c1 set (that i started with originally) as a future second room setup or sell for a good price and get back a few $.
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post #245 of 457
12/1/07 at 3:03pm
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on another note i just realized - duh- that tsto has the volare v62 floorstanders. does anyone use them with a m7c2? this may be my perfect upgrade option. then move my m31 to the rear position pick up a second pair of m31 for my media room 2.1. and then, i'd have a complete m70/m7c1 set (that i started with originally) as a future second room setup or sell for a good price and get back a few $.

I am running a pair of m64i's for my front channels. They have the same woofer and tweeter as the v62's in a tear drop shaped cabinet instead of a similar sized rectangular box of the v62. The m64/v62 are a cut above the Mission m73 floorstanding speaker in midrange resolution and clarity.

I am still using the m7c2 center channel that I bought with the m73's. I think it does a good job for my center. I'm not as critical about my HT sound as I am about 2.1 music. If I don't ever find a matching center to my m64i's I won't dispair.

I have been listening to a pair of e52's in the last couple of days, but I'm not ready to comment on them yet.

I have attached a couple of pics of several of my Mission bookshelf speakers for size comparison.

From left to right
v60 ~ cherry
772 ~ rosewood
e80 ~ anthracite
e52 ~ gloss black
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post #246 of 457
12/2/07 at 8:58am
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thanks for all the input sterankoman. i MUST say i am jealous of your colection of missions though .

i am now seriously considering the v62's now as an upgrade to my HT mains. and i'm toying with the idea of replacing my rear m70 with another pair of m7ds. i do have a very nice svs cylinder subwoofer. i'm curious if anyone is running m7ds at the sides AND rears though and how you feel about it. i do like my m7ds at the sides as i have them now but, i feel my right side is not as enveloping because i have an opening (archway) about 5 feet behind it. whereas on my left side the sound has a solid wall it can bounce off of better. i theorized that having 4 m7ds would create a nicer sound field back there.

i too love my little 2.1 setup even though it is modest, but, it is a very modest little room i have them in here as well.. but, i am critical about my HT as well. with my rekindled love for vinyl LP's i'm considering the above mentioned v62's and another pair of m7ds for the HT and then moving my m31's in here to couple with my little x-sub my Mac and my turntable and receiver. and just auctioning off or craigslisting my original m70s and m7c1. seems like the best way to upgrade without having to find a new center (i love my m7c2) and save a few $$, yet, still move up in the mission world. money is not as unlimited as it once was as we are saving for a house here in L.A. (yikes) and i need a new truck.

anyhow, still loving the thread and if anyone is running m7ds all the way around the side and rears, let me know how you feel about it.
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post #247 of 457
12/2/07 at 9:14am
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PS- i think i may have found another mission dealer here in the U.S. looks liek their stock is low but, it may be a good idea to keep an eye on the site. they are having a mission sale but ask you to call for item availability and price. they are located in San Francisco which for me would be nice as it would only be 1 day shipping without having to pay extra. they also have some other very nice gear as well.

on the home page click on manufacturers and choose mission : http://www.audiovisionsf.com/
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post #248 of 457
12/2/07 at 9:40am
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I am running a pair of m64i's for my front channels. They have the same woofer and tweeter as the v62's in a tear drop shaped cabinet instead of a similar sized rectangular box of the v62. The m64/v62 are a cut above the Mission m73 floorstanding speaker in midrange resolution and clarity.

I am still using the m7c2 center channel that I bought with the m73's. I think it does a good job for my center. I'm not as critical about my HT sound as I am about 2.1 music. If I don't ever find a matching center to my m64i's I won't dispair.

I have been listening to a pair of e52's in the last couple of days, but I'm not ready to comment on them yet.

I have attached a couple of pics of several of my Mission bookshelf speakers for size comparison.

From left to right
v60 ~ cherry
772 ~ rosewood
e80 ~ anthracite
e52 ~ gloss black


where did you get the M64s??
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post #249 of 457
12/2/07 at 11:25am
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where did you get the M64s??

eBay They were electronic show demos.
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post #250 of 457
12/2/07 at 12:01pm
im very jealous!
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post #251 of 457
12/2/07 at 1:31pm
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im very jealous!


It's sad that the US gets Mission's old stuff. I looked at their website last night and didn't see any models I recognized. I did see they have some neat stuff going on with their current models that I hope make their way over here to the US. The Granite composite construction sounds pretty interesting.
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post #252 of 457
12/3/07 at 8:02am
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I ordered a av123 x-sub yesterday. The reviews are good, the price is right and they are beautiful. I ordered the palissander rosa finish and will be getting it sometime in November. If I like it I will let you know, you and bitpoh will get my thanks. If I don't like I'll keep it to myself!

I guess you didn't like it.
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post #253 of 457
12/4/07 at 2:19pm
tsto.com shipping already. Cool...they are due to come in on the 10th. This is like an early x-mass present from me to me


Now I'll just have to be prepared to run some wire through the attic...that might take several months of motivation.
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post #254 of 457
12/4/07 at 3:45pm
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tsto.com shipping already. Cool...they are due to come in on the 10th. This is like an early x-mass present from me to me

Now I'll just have to be prepared to run some wire through the attic...that might take several months of motivation.

m31's?
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post #255 of 457
12/4/07 at 5:05pm
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m31's?

Yeah, pair of m31's and pair m7ds
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post #256 of 457
12/5/07 at 2:43pm
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It's sad that the US gets Mission's old stuff. I looked at their website last night and didn't see any models I recognized. I did see they have some neat stuff going on with their current models that I hope make their way over here to the US. The Granite composite construction sounds pretty interesting.

Yes, it is a shame that Mission has forgotten us yanks across the pond.

I find it interesting that Mission changes their woofer material constantly between models and model years. Which makes it more amazing that Mission has used the same drivers in 3 different lines of speakers that they have produced in the last couple of years. The m5 series, m6 series and the Volare series all share the same drivers in different cabinetry.

Sadly, only the m6 series of that group is being produced these days. Too bad, I think the Volare series is the best of that group, because of their use of real wood vernier cabinets without the plastic protruding front baffle of the m5 series and the vinyl covering of the m6 series.

To my eye Mission has been at the leading edge of speaker design with their unique driver designs that are not the same old round woofer frame rebated in the front baffle. Their engineers sculpt the woofer frame along with the cabinet to create some very unique looking speaker design. Obviously not an off the shelf woofer.

And their cabinet material choices are also unique in the industry. The e series whether they are the e3's, e5's or the e8's have futuristic looking cabinets that may not excite the "my speaker must be box shaped" minded, but I like them. Although I am seeing more space aged looking speakers out there by other manufacturers.
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post #257 of 457
12/10/07 at 4:31am
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I guess you didn't like it.

Haven't received it. When they say "backordered" they mean way back... AV123 seems to have great customer service reputation but, strangely enough, they are lousy with dates and nobody seems to mind (except me!).
I've been enjoying my m74's just the same but I find them "bright" and on some music I turn the treble way down. Is this caused by the pairing with a Denon receiver?
Django1
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post #258 of 457
12/10/07 at 5:30am
MLS has posted on his site that they have just received a huge shipment of speakers. Hopefully yours is included. According to their site the latest X-sub is 1" taller with a larger port. It only matters if one is trying to match an existing X-sub.

If yours is not in this next batch there is always the Hsu and Outlaw 8" subs which are both on sale right now.

If your speakers are brite on some material I don't think it is the Denon. What is the condition of your room? Do you have any sound absording materials on the walls?
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post #259 of 457
12/10/07 at 8:19am
Just got my order in from tsto.com. Everything appears to have made it in one piece as opposed to my first Mission experience. Will know more when I get home to set them up. I built some speaker stands "Stubby design" over the weekend that should do just fine. Wish I had a good "do it justice" picture of the m31 before hand...I probably could have matched that color but I digress.

Still waiting on my order from monoprice on the speaker terminal boxes and wiring for in-wall, supposed to be in today. What do does most people do with bipole speakers with a terminal box? Don't know that I'll be able to mount it directly behind where the speakers are going.


***************Update********************

Got them setup up temporary till I can get the wire ran inside the walls. Amazing and this is without recalibrating with the SPL. I'll chalk this one up as a "Glad I did this" sort of purchase.
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post #260 of 457
12/10/07 at 6:29pm
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MLS has posted on his site that they have just received a huge shipment of speakers. Hopefully yours is included. According to their site the latest X-sub is 1" taller with a larger port. It only matters if one is trying to match an existing X-sub.

If yours is not in this next batch there is always the Hsu and Outlaw 8" subs which are both on sale right now.

If your speakers are brite on some material I don't think it is the Denon. What is the condition of your room? Do you have any sound absording materials on the walls?

The sales rep has told me my sub will be shipping this week. We shall see. As for sound absorbing material, I have ceramic floors and plasterboard walls. I have a feeling your going to suggest carpeting and drapes...
Would you have any suggestions for a decent bookshelf speaker in a light wood veneer at a bargain price (+-$200). Av123 no longer does the maple on there bookshelf models... Thanks
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post #261 of 457
12/10/07 at 9:27pm
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As for sound absorbing material, I have ceramic floors and plasterboard walls. I have a feeling your going to suggest carpeting and drapes...

I cannot imagine any loudspeaker sounding good in such a room. You already know what needs to be done.

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Would you have any suggestions for a decent bookshelf speaker in a light wood veneer at a bargain price (+-$200). Av123 no longer does the maple on there bookshelf models... Thanks

Canton and Mordaunt Short have maple or light colored speakers in the $225-250/pr. range but I have not heard them.
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post #262 of 457
12/17/07 at 3:16pm
Got everything hooked up and mounted where I want them, built speaker stands, ran speaker wires inside the wall, and calibrated using my SPL meter. I can't even tell I'm listening to speakers now, it added a great amount of detail and umpth that really seems to complement my SVS PB10 very well.

I'll try to post some pictures some time this week.


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post #263 of 457
12/17/07 at 6:13pm
Sorry, but I've lost track of what speakers were replaced by the Mission m31's?
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post #264 of 457
12/19/07 at 6:02pm
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I cannot imagine any loudspeaker sounding good in such a room. You already know what needs to be done.



Canton and Mordaunt Short have maple or light colored speakers in the $225-250/pr. range but I have not heard them.

The x-sub has shipped I just hope the UPS guy goes easy on it. Thanks for the info on the bookshelf speakers. I pulled the trigger on a purchase of x-ls from AV123 but by the time I made up my mind they had sold out..
How would the m31 sound as a 2 channel system for "light" listening. Tsto has them at $149 is that a good price? Same question about the m70s ? At $70 I'll invest in another x-sub. Thanks for your time and Happy Holidays if I'm not around till then...
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post #265 of 457
12/20/07 at 6:48am
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How would the m31 sound as a 2 channel system for "light" listening. Tsto has them at $149 is that a good price? Same question about the m70s ? At $70 I'll invest in another x-sub. Thanks for your time and Happy Holidays if I'm not around till then...

The m70's need a sub IMHO, so the m31's would be a better 2.0 choice.
It's one of the best $150/ pr. speakers on the market IMHO.

The Infinity Beta 10 in cherry is on sale for $177.76 shipping included. Thats cheaper than the lower tiered Primus 162 @ $200/pr.

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...ures/542179589

The Polk RTi4's can be had for $180/ pr. + shipping.
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post #266 of 457
12/20/07 at 9:55am
Note: The M31 on sale at TSTO are not the more recent "i" series, which uses an upgraded XO to improve "i"-maging.

From Mission:

"The new i-series crossover takes into account the baffle diffraction effect to give a more open and detailed midrange performance, with superior integration between the drive units for smoother treble output. In addition crossovers are now wired to drive units using Mission’s special HP-OFC (High Purity Oxygen Free Copper) cable with its dedicated bass and treble formulations."

Other than TSTO, is anyone still selling Mission in the USA? I'm in NYC, and I only know of one location that has some older models still one hand.
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post #267 of 457
12/20/07 at 10:10am
I must say, I prefer my Infinity Beta 20 to my Mission M32i of late. Both are excellent, but the Beta really is hard to beat in the sub-$1000 category, IMHO. The Betas truly envelop you with sound, bass plays deeper & more distinct, mids are airy, and not a hint of edginess to be found anywhere.

I'd love to see the Beta 20, Ascends Sierra 1, and the upcoming AV123 X-LS SWG in a shootout. You can throw the M32i in there too, just for fun.
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post #268 of 457
12/21/07 at 9:00am
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Note: The M31 on sale at TSTO are not the more recent "i" series, which uses an upgraded XO to improve "i"-maging.

From Mission:

"The new i-series crossover takes into account the baffle diffraction effect to give a more open and detailed midrange performance, with superior integration between the drive units for smoother treble output. In addition crossovers are now wired to drive units using Mission's special HP-OFC (High Purity Oxygen Free Copper) cable with its dedicated bass and treble formulations."

Other than TSTO, is anyone still selling Mission in the USA? I'm in NYC, and I only know of one location that has some older models still one hand.

I find it irritating that some companies knowingly produce a product that they know can be improved with the addition a couple of better components, but don't, so they can come out later with an improved model. I'm not saying Mission has done this, but there are plenty of ID and BM speaker companies that do.
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post #269 of 457
12/22/07 at 5:18pm
Hi everyone, I'm a newbie to HT and also a soon to be newbie Mission M33i owner. It have the clarity but I don't here a lot of bass from it so what sub woofer do you guys recommend for the M33i? I'm looking for something $400 or less.Thanks,
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post #270 of 457
12/22/07 at 7:13pm
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Hi everyone, I'm a newbie to HT and also a soon to be newbie Mission M33i owner. It have the clarity but I don't here a lot of bass from it so what sub woofer do you guys recommend for the M33i? I'm looking for something $400 or less.Thanks,

Hello Bluninja,

I'm just curious, where are you planning to buy those M33i from? Finding Missions these days (at least in & around NYC) is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
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