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post #211 of 2330
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Originally Posted by Megalith View Post

The 360 is 34.5 lbs, and has no business being on top of a flimsy DLP. There's a center channel stand by Omnimount which is meant to hold a center channel on top of a projection TV, but the 360 would crush it.

This is what I thought. I have the Omnimount center channel shelf and I'm pretty sure it won't handle the C360.

Unfortunately a wall mount center isn't an option either because there's a window right above my set. And I would have to do some major rigging to get the 360 below the set on the stand.

So if I were forced to choose between a C250 and a Beta 20 for a center, what do y'all think would be the best choice?
post #212 of 2330
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Unfortunately a wall mount center isn't an option either because there's a window right above my set. And I would have to do some major rigging to get the 360 below the set on the stand.

Could you design/install some sort of hanging stand on from the ceiling? Four chains, some good anchors, a nice piece of 12 x 24 walnut and you could be set. The 360 is so much superior to the 250 that I would hate to see you go in that direction. Next choice would be the 20, but even then you are making major compromises because it's so small compared to your mains. And it will be handling most of the chores on most video. I doubt it could keep up at anything above average listening levels.

Greg
post #213 of 2330
I just wanted to chime in on this thread, nothing to add other than I am one more very satisfied Beta owner!

I just got 2 40s, 2 20s and c360 delivered. I am impressed! I am no audiophile, but these things sound very crisp and clear...accurate? I guess that is what I mean. A significant improvement over my old JBL northridges that just sounded muddy, sloppy and boomy in comparison. I am hearing the more subtle sounds from music that just wasn't quite there before!

Right now I have an older Yamaha 5.1 receiver (RXV800), but am gonna go to a 7.1 once the HDMI issues become clearer. Between the 10s or 20s, which would be a better choice for the next 2 speakers for the rears? I'm afraid that with the recent development of Harman being sold, the supply of these Betas is gonna dry up. I am leaning towards the 10s. How important are the 2 rears?
post #214 of 2330
I would just go for a phantom center. I have my 360 set on the floor, and it sounds awful. I have thought about getting the Lovan center channel stand:



But I am convinced that it wouldn't be a significant improvement.

If you absolutely must have a center, I would choose whatever could be placed closest to the height of your tower's tweeters.

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Between the 10s or 20s, which would be a better choice for the next 2 speakers for the rears? I'm afraid that with the recent development of Harman being sold, the supply of these Betas is gonna dry up. I am leaning towards the 10s. How important are the 2 rears?

I would get two more pairs of 40s (or 50s) and call it a day. I just realized how laughable the difference between the bookshelves are. One has an F3 of 58hz? The other 60hz? Why even have two seperate models?

*I'm going to go insane if Infinity doesn't elaborate on their upcoming Classia (Beta successors) soon. Since the Classic uses CMMD like the Betas, I thought it might be a good idea to relocate my Beta 50s as surrounds, and use the new Classia for the frontstage.
post #215 of 2330
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Originally Posted by Megalith View Post

*I'm going to go insane if Infinity doesn't elaborate on their upcoming Classia (Beta successors) soon. Since the Classic uses CMMD like the Betas, I thought it might be a good idea to relocate my Beta 50s as surrounds, and use the new Classia for the frontstage.


I'd just stay within the same series. There's no guarantee they'll sound the same even if they have the same kind of woofers or tweeters. Ie. Alphas Betas Interludes don't all sound the same. Paying msrp for new speakers is an additional pain considering you could get the betas for so cheap nowadays.
post #216 of 2330
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Originally Posted by jmps View Post

I have the grills on. They look much better and I don't hear a difference. As to the "lisp." I have heard it. I believe the Betas are providing a very accurate rendition of the material that reveal this in the recording. I only hear it on some recordings.

I doubt the Betas are "that" accurate. I'm beginning to believe the Betas are overemphasizing the treble. I went to go listen to the same recording on pretty much the same gear on some Martin Logans Finals Psbs and thiels. I realize that the "lisp" is less prominent.
post #217 of 2330
True, sibilance is one issue I have always had with the betas, the treble can be fatiguing and they are indeed "bright". Many say they are too laid back though, which I am still scratching my head about.
post #218 of 2330
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Originally Posted by armystud0911 View Post

True, sibilance is one issue I have always had with the betas, the treble can be fatiguing and they are indeed "bright". Many say they are too laid back though, which I am still scratching my head about.

My Beta 20s didn't rock my world. To my ears, they were too laid back. What are/were you driving them with?
post #219 of 2330
I would've never said the Betas were laid back. B&Ws to me were always laid back. That just tells you how opinions could greatly differ.
post #220 of 2330
I agree, they seem bright to me. But I like them that way.
post #221 of 2330
My problem with the Beta is that a lot of material sounds "airy." The speaker is naturally bright, so as a result, it seems to amplify the noise floor and background noise.

But I'm convinced that the Beta is very well designed, and that a lot of material simply isn't mixed well.

BTW, what does "laid back" imply, exactly?
post #222 of 2330
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Originally Posted by Megalith View Post

BTW, what does "laid back" imply, exactly?

Laid back, to me, implies that the sound - when it comes to music, just doesn't make me want to tap my feet to the beat. But, when I owned the Betas, I suspect my family room setup was less than optimal - however, it was the only place I could use them. With the new place, I have a few areas where I have music systems set up. I'm able to work a bit more with placement, to get more out of my gear.

As a frame of reference, I've also owned the X-LS speakers from Onix, and many others. Right now, I have a pair of Paradigm Monitor 5s (v.4) -- which I completely love for music. Ideally, I'd love to own a pair of Studio 40s from Paradigm. To me, the Studio series has a sound that is definately NOT "laid back." But, I'm working with a 43 y.o. set of ears here. As a youngin', I worked with a lot of tools and little hearing protection. That might be why I tend to lean towards the sound of the Paradigms and my trusty Klipsch RB-5s. If my ears were 20 years younger, I'd probably agree that the Betas are a bright sounding speaker.
post #223 of 2330
How do the X-LS speakers sound?

I'm on their website and they're going for $449 a pair, which sounds like a steal, if their quality is anything like the Rockets.
post #224 of 2330
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Originally Posted by Megalith View Post

How do the X-LS speakers sound?

I'm on their website and they're going for $449 a pair, which sounds like a steal, if their quality is anything like the Rockets.

You might be looking at another model. The X-LS, in the base finishes (satin black and a clear maple) sell for $219 a pair, plus shipping. Each speaker weighs about 20 Lbs. I think they sounded quite good. I only sold the X-LS speakers, because I'm awaiting the other future models - which appear quite promising. I think this fall will be a great time for checking out the new models, as they should be shipping. Just in time for the ol' winter hibernation period.
post #225 of 2330
Yeah, I was quoting their upcoming floorstanders. The Beta series look better to me, though.

BTW, who has a pair of Beta 40s? I'm trying to figure out if they are rear-ported like the 50s. I'm juggling between the 40 and the 50 for my surrounds, but the 50 would be less than a foot away from the wall. The problem with the 40s is that they are shorter, though.
post #226 of 2330
Ya theyre rear ported like everything else else in the series except the centers of course.
post #227 of 2330
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Originally Posted by Megalith View Post

shorter, though.

I didn't even consider that when I bought my two 40's over the last few weeks. I wish now that I had bought the 50's mainly for the slightly higher tweeter. I don't have serious remorse. I just hit myself on the head twice for not thinking of the tweeter heighth. Why didn't you mention that three weeks ago ?!?

Still, the 40's sound good, although I am waiting on curtains, listener break-in, and tweaking the speaker placement more before I really decide how good I think they are. I do find myself wishing that the lows were a bit more generous.

Soundstage and a small sweetspot are noted dissapointments so far but I haven't played much with speaker placement and I may want to move my listening position back a bit. I will likely put the effort into moving the speakers out of the corner even though the TV is ideal there.

Also, I am very glad I bought the C360 instead of the C250. It matches very very well.
post #228 of 2330
OK, I need a little input here.
Currently I am running a 360 center with a pair of 50's on either side.
Mirage S10 sub.
I am using my previous L&R's as my side speakers, a pair of primus 250's
My HK 7300 has 7.1 capabilities, so I need to pick up a couple more speakers.
So, should I keep the primus's where they are or move them to the rear?
What speakers in the Beta line should I purchase to optimize my current system?
Thanks
post #229 of 2330
Bodine,

I'm probably not the expert, but since no one else has responded; any of the beta line will fill out your system.

The ES250 is meant to be a surround speaker. It can be run in bipole/dipole/monopole modes to meet your specific requirements and can even be run as 2 speakers for the rears. They are easily mounted on the wall.

The beta 10 and 20 are bookshelf speakers. These make good surrounds also, but are rear ported and would need to have room behind them, so wall mounting would be more difficult.

The floorstanding beta 40 and 50 would be great if you have the room.

If the primus 250s are timbre matched enough for your tastes, you could even pick up another pair of those. I haven't heard those, so I can't say. If you keep the pair you have hooked up, they would probably be best used as the rear channels.

I'm not a pro, but thought I would give you something to think about.

Rob
post #230 of 2330
Thread Starter 
With the current prices, you might want to consider removing the Primus' from the setup altogether and then going with 20s or 10s for surrounds. Ive not heard Primus' so not sure how timbre matched they would be with Betas. Of course the most important timbre matching should be across the front three.
post #231 of 2330
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Originally Posted by irishsammy View Post

Are there any Beta C360 owners who have the center on top of their DLP? I've decided on every part of my new Infinity setup except for the center. I would like the C360 but I worry that it's too heavy. And I'm sort of against the "usual" MTM center channel so I'd almost rather have a Beta 20 for a center than to settle for the C250. Any thoughts as to what I should do? I'm getting Beta 50's for the fronts and ES250's for the rears.

I have my c360 on top of my dlp using the omnimount center tv stand and it is holding just fine.
post #232 of 2330
What kind of receiver are you guys using?

I'm trying to figure out how the Betas would sound with brands such as Denon, Yamaha and Onkyo. From my research, Denon and Yamaha are brighter, while Onkyo is closer to neutral. Of course, this doesn't mean much when these opinions stem from the owners of different speakers. So I thought I'd ask people who actually owned Infinitys.

Currently, I've got the H/K 635, but totally convinced that my sound is colored and far from neutral.
post #233 of 2330
It's probably the speakers fault not the amp. A receiver shouldn't really color the sound to a drastic degree. There's only a little noticeable increase in quality moving from amp to amp. If anything you should look for new speakers if youre not satisfied. BTW, i used an Onkyo 503, Denon integrated and a NAD T754 with the Betas and Primuses. I wouldn't say they sounded DRASTICALLY different but the NAD and Denon sounded a lot more detailed than the Onkyo, but for Denon's more recent stuff i don't know.
post #234 of 2330
Well my beta collection is finally finished! 360 center, 2 50 floor standers, and 4 ES250s for surround. Haven't got the ES250s hooked up yet.

Paid retail for the 360 center a couple of years ago.
Got the 50s off of harmanaudio's ebay store for ~$120 each.
Got the 4 ES250's from harmanaudio with a range of $72 - $87.

All of the speakers from harmanaudio looked new except for one ES250. It comes in white or black. I got white, but one came with mismatched covers; one correct and one for a black speaker . Have contacted them and they said they'd send the correct one right out. We shall see!

Did a DIY sonosub with the TC sounds 12" db-500 powered by a Buttkicker 1000w amp. I've already broke a few of the wife's knick-knacks by rattling them off the wall . (Doh...I Still gotta make my DIY sub thread)

I'm very happy with the setup and thought I'd share.

Rob
post #235 of 2330
Wow! The ES250s I see at harmanaudio right now are $349 each. That's why I just bought a pair of Alpha 20s off ebay for 125 shipped to be my new surrounds. Had to have front ports or none at all. You got an incredible deal.

Greg
post #236 of 2330
Hey guys.

Still thoroughly enjoying my beta setup (2x40, 2x20, c360), and just added a new HSU VTF2.3...I have a relatively small room (~2700 c.f.) and the sound is simply.... astounding! What kinda subs are you guys running?

The only issue I seem to have is what appears to my ears as a slight hole, I'd say somewhere around 70-90hz. But the above post(s) got me thinking, is it just that the Betas are excessively bright? They do seem pretty bright to me. I have all my speakers set to "small", but I am limited to a single crossover frequency of 90hz (Yamaha RXV800). I think that may be part of the issue, and the fact that I have no SPL meter and haven't yet correctly calibrated the system with one. I guess part of it too is that I am used to my old (relatively crappy) subwoofer.

I am kinda wondering if a lower crossover frequency (say 60 or 70hz) might be in order? Unfortunately I'd have to purchase a new receiver, but I do have my eyes on a Yamaha 2700... but am hesitating until the hdmi 1.3 issue becomes clearer.

Any advice?
post #237 of 2330
I also have Beta 40s with a Hsu 2.3. I love the setup. I use the program Room Equalization Wizard on a laptop with a RS SPL meter to check the freq. response in the room. You can search the net to find it and download it.

You might have a null around those frequencies. If you cross over at 90Hz the 2.3 sure can output at those frequencies very well in my experience. I use the output of REW to set an equalizer to flatten the Hsu response for my room and it really makes it sound better. If you can't do room treatments then this may be the only choice. First though, try moving the sub around. Small placement changes can have big effect.

I have tried both 80 and 60Hz cross-overs. I haven't decided which I like better yet. Usually 80Hz is the rule of thumb. 90Hz is a bit high because you probably can start locating the bass at the point.
post #238 of 2330
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Originally Posted by girdnerg View Post

Well my beta collection is finally finished! 360 center, 2 50 floor standers, and 4 ES250s for surround. Haven't got the ES250s hooked up yet.

Paid retail for the 360 center a couple of years ago.
Got the 50s off of harmanaudio's ebay store for ~$120 each.
Got the 4 ES250's from harmanaudio with a range of $72 - $87.

All of the speakers from harmanaudio looked new except for one ES250. It comes in white or black. I got white, but one came with mismatched covers; one correct and one for a black speaker . Have contacted them and they said they'd send the correct one right out. We shall see!

Did a DIY sonosub with the TC sounds 12" db-500 powered by a Buttkicker 1000w amp. I've already broke a few of the wife's knick-knacks by rattling them off the wall . (Doh...I Still gotta make my DIY sub thread)

I'm very happy with the setup and thought I'd share.

Rob

Man... Where were you 2 days ago when I ordered my 360 and 2 Beta 50's?

I didn't even know Harman had an ebay store! I ended up getting mine from the audio video source (don't really regret it because I got a pretty good deal there), but Being that the harman store is all reman's too, It would have been the same thing for possibly cheaper going through Harman directly! Doh!!!

Guess I'll just keep my Eye open for a good deal on some 20's or 40's (for some nice matching surrounds) and/or maybe a pair of 250 dipoles. I'm going to have to start checking to see if other manufacturers have ebay stores loaded with such good deals.
post #239 of 2330
I haven't found any
post #240 of 2330
jmps- thanks for the reply. I too am totally in love with my Beta 40/VTF2.3 combo. Last night was my first non-weeknight (I live in an apartment) with the setup, so I gave it a pretty good workout. I swear it was as if the band was right in my living room! One thing I have noticed is that this setup really shines with high quality recorded CDs, but also poorly recorded CDs become glaringly obvious too.

Anyhow, I did DL REW and will pickup an SPL meter soon. Unfortunately the test CD that came with my sub was somewhat damaged, and unreadable. I'll ask them to ship me another, but can anyone recommend somewhere to DL test tones in the meantime?

Thanks!
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