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post #2221 of 2330
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Originally Posted by LVIV73 View Post

Are 20's better than Primus bookshelfs?They have Pri

Are 20's better than Primus bookshelfs?They have Primus 163's on crutchfield for $139 ea.

Yes the 20's are better than the primus series.

As for the link you posted, No model number but they look even older.
post #2222 of 2330
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Originally Posted by LVIV73 View Post

Are 20's better than Primus bookshelfs?They have Pri

Are 20's better than Primus bookshelfs?They have Primus 163's on crutchfield for $139 ea.

Hands down, I will take the Beta over the Primus.
post #2223 of 2330
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

Hands down, I will take the Beta over the Primus.

So you think if im not going to be playing them real lound(appartment) would 20's sound quality be close to 50's?Or would they lack detail?
post #2224 of 2330
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Originally Posted by LVIV73 View Post

So you think if im not going to be playing them real lound(appartment) would 20's sound quality be close to 50's?Or would they lack detail?

I am one of those people, with the exception of bass response -
will prefer the Beta 20 over the Beta 50 > due to the lower mid
range sound of the Beta 50. The bottom line is, with your tight
budget - you will need to decide if the Beta speakers are for you.
Since it will not be easy to speculate.
post #2225 of 2330
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Originally Posted by LVIV73 View Post

So you think if im not going to be playing them real lound(appartment) would 20's sound quality be close to 50's?Or would they lack detail?

The 20's have the same tweeter than on the 50's, mids are a bit more laidback wich i think makes them warmer compared to the 50's, due to the fact that the 50's are using an additionnal 4.5inch midrange driver.

But like zieglj01 says, only you can decide if they're for you.
post #2226 of 2330
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Originally Posted by atari1980 View Post

The 20's have the same tweeter than on the 50's, mids are a bit more laidback wich i think makes them warmer compared to the 50's, due to the fact that the 50's are using an additionnal 4.5inch midrange driver.

But like zieglj01 says, only you can decide if they're for you.

Ebay has 20's for $200 a pair,is that a good price?I mostly listen to jazz so I have no need for too much bass,from what ya are telling me,they sound like best speakers in that price range for warm sound,is that right?

Update:Looks like ebay is the only place that has 20's and only one pair-as far as I know.
post #2227 of 2330
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Originally Posted by LVIV73 View Post

Ebay has 20's for $200 a pair,is that a good price?I mostly listen to jazz so I have no need for too much bass,from what ya are telling me,they sound like best speakers in that price range for warm sound,is that right?

Update:Looks like ebay is the only place that has 20's and only one pair-as far as I know.

They used to be available a lot cheaper, but it's all supply and demand, and the supply is almost nonexistent now. Did you try craigs for a local used purchase? I would still consider $200/pair a good value. I own four of the 20s and love them.
post #2228 of 2330
There are several listing for Infinity Beta 20s and one C360 on eBay right now.
post #2229 of 2330
Prices for Beta's on craigslist are all over the place where I'm at (SF). There are 50's for $450 (too much) and $400 (the high end). Over the last year or two I've bought a pair of mint 50's (Ebony) for $225, a Cherry 360 for $75, (Ebony) 20's for $110 (from the same guy asking $450 for the 50's. Go figure...) and an Ebony 360 for $50! Last night I picked up a pair of mint 40's in Cherry with boxes and packing material for $200. I also have a CH 250 and 20's in CH (Cherry is much better than Ebony imo) and two pair of OSW-1's in (rare) White. I've sold the Cherry 360 (big mistake) and Ebony 50's and am now trying to decide to keep a CH Beta setup or some Revel Concerta's. The Revels are better, but not that much better, but would bring a lot more money.

In my experience, Beta 20's and a C360 make for an outstanding front stage setup for the price on the used market. The little 250 is also very good. Use whatever you want for surrounds (20's, 10's, OSW-1's, TS-750 satellites, whatever). 40's and 50's are really only a luxury but not needed in all but the largest of rooms (but we all like our towers!). If you can get past the idea that bookshelves are a step down from towers except for that bass extension stuff then you won't miss a thing. The Beta 20's really are are that good. Just my opinion of course.
post #2230 of 2330
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Originally Posted by gene c353 View Post

Prices for Beta's on craigslist are all over the place where I'm at (SF). There are 50's for $450 (too much) and $400 (the high end). Over the last year or two I've bought a pair of mint 50's (Ebony) for $225, a Cherry 360 for $75, (Ebony) 20's for $110 (from the same guy asking $450 for the 50's. Go figure...) and an Ebony 360 for $50! Last night I picked up a pair of mint 40's in Cherry with boxes and packing material for $200. I also have a CH 250 and 20's in CH (Cherry is much better than Ebony imo) and two pair of OSW-1's in (rare) White. I've sold the Cherry 360 (big mistake) and Ebony 50's and am now trying to decide to keep a CH Beta setup or some Revel Concerta's. The Revels are better, but not that much better, but would bring a lot more money.
In my experience, Beta 20's and a C360 make for an outstanding front stage setup for the price on the used market. The little 250 is also very good. Use whatever you want for surrounds (20's, 10's, OSW-1's, TS-750 satellites, whatever). 40's and 50's are really only a luxury but not needed in all but the largest of rooms (but we all like our towers!). If you can get past the idea that bookshelves are a step down from towers except for that bass extension stuff then you won't miss a thing. The Beta 20's really are are that good. Just my opinion of course.

I've echoed my agreement on this point before. As great a value as the Primus speakers are (see the latest listening test Harman conducted, where the Primus towers were preferred over Polk, Klipsch, and MartinLogan), I have always preferred the Betas. I just replaced my C360 with the Revel C32, and it's not as much of a step up as you might imagine. I still own 4 Beta 20s and have no intention of getting rid of them! There are plenty of reasons to go with towers over stand mounted speakers, but low frequency extension shouldn't be one of them for most people. In multichannel setups, the bass will be redundant with a sub(s). And, generating low frequencies from towers will typically excite room modes due to their location, whreas you can position subs in more optimal places were your front mains couldn't go.

Now, with that said, I've owned the P162s before and they are close to the Beta 20s. They are more plentiful, and you should be able to get them cheaper.
post #2231 of 2330
So I finally got my hands on a pair of Beta 50s($250 on craigslist although on with a small dimple on one tweeter and no grills) to round out my set after waiting a few of years to finish it off. I'm now running a 5.1 with 50s in front (replaced 20s), C360 center, ES250s as surrounds with an eD woofer and it feels like I've got a whole new system, although the sound isn't much improved over the 20s. I must say I am quite pleased with the 50s which isn't a surprise as I have been a fan of the Beta series as a whole since I first bought my first pair of 20s when they released. The change has definitely calmed the itch to upgrade. smile.gif

Also, I currently use a pair of 20s as my computer speakers, but with having a spare set of 20s and an extra C250, I just might have to create a second 5.1 Beta setup as I really enjoy this series; especially since for their price, the sound is quite hard to beat. The other option would be to turn the current 5.1 into a 7.1 - decisions, decisions.
Edited by fiddlestyx - 8/22/12 at 2:58pm
post #2232 of 2330
I just sold a set of Beta 40's, 20's and a C250 in cherry on CL for $475. They should be worth more than that for the way they perform but that's about what I paid for them so no complaints. I definently like the 20's more than the 40's. The beta 20's are a real jewel for the CL price. I still have a pair of 20's and a C360 in ebony. Paid $110 for the 20's and only $50 for the 360! Gotta love CL! I also have two pairs of OSW-1's in white.

OSW-1's are often over-looked. They're a pretty good match for the Beta series (as well as the Primus and Alpha) and are very wall mountable. They would be a great choice for Front Heights or Widths or Surrounds/Back Surrounds. Not much bass output but the smooth mids/highs we all seem to like about Infinity. They go for about $75-$125 a pair used.
post #2233 of 2330
Hey guys, i need some advice. I have an all Beta setup including 2 50s and a 360. My problem is the 360 just doesnt cut it for me. It doesnt sound very good sitting next to the 50s. I wish I could find a 50 to use as my center but you all know how hard it is to find one. I've read alot of bad reviews on infinity's new line so I'm looking for replacements. I really want 3 matching speakers on the front stage. I hate to ask this here, but if you guys were going to upgrade what speakers would you consider without downgrading? I totally love the 50's but it's just time for a full tower setup.
post #2234 of 2330
I see no love mentioned for the Beta 10's. I've got an opportunity to grab 4 (cherry) for about $120 for the set. Likely they will get played with for a while then put back up for sale (it's how I listen to a lot of gear: buy used and resell); but I can't get a bead on the demand because everyone seems focused on the 20's.
post #2235 of 2330
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Originally Posted by drunkpenguin View Post

Hey guys, i need some advice. I have an all Beta setup including 2 50s and a 360. My problem is the 360 just doesnt cut it for me. It doesnt sound very good sitting next to the 50s. I wish I could find a 50 to use as my center but you all know how hard it is to find one. I've read alot of bad reviews on infinity's new line so I'm looking for replacements. I really want 3 matching speakers on the front stage. I hate to ask this here, but if you guys were going to upgrade what speakers would you consider without downgrading? I totally love the 50's but it's just time for a full tower setup.

Someone is selling a full 5.1 speaker set with Infinity Beta 50 towers on ebay. If the final price is low enough buy it and just keep the towers for your needs. You can always sell the sub, 360 center and surround speakers later. Might come out much cheaper than buying 3 new towers plus you already know you like the sound quality of the Beta 50's.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Infinity-beta-speakers-/110970563691?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item19d65c6c6b
post #2236 of 2330
I saw that ebay listing. I asked the guy if he would sell them individually but no go. Hes selling 7 speakers plus a receiver, which I dont need.

I decided against ditching my 50's. I love them too much. I found a P363 for pretty cheap and ordered one. Ill give it a chance at center duty and see how it goes. Timber match may be off some but I'll see if it works for me. I've read that the beta series drivers were better than the current 363s so I might try an experiment. Putting the c360 woofers and mid-range into the box of the 363 since they are the same physical size. Maybe the same speaker being setup in a vertical position will sound better? If nothin else it gives me something to do. In the mean time I've got the entire front wall torn apart so I can raise the screen 8"s. Wish me luck.
post #2237 of 2330
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Putting the c360 woofers and mid-range into the box of the 363 since they are the same physical size. Maybe the same speaker being setup in a vertical position will sound better?

That might work, good luck.
post #2238 of 2330
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Originally Posted by drunkpenguin View Post

Hey guys, i need some advice. I have an all Beta setup including 2 50s and a 360. My problem is the 360 just doesnt cut it for me. It doesnt sound very good sitting next to the 50s. I wish I could find a 50 to use as my center but you all know how hard it is to find one. I've read alot of bad reviews on infinity's new line so I'm looking for replacements. I really want 3 matching speakers on the front stage. I hate to ask this here, but if you guys were going to upgrade what speakers would you consider without downgrading? I totally love the 50's but it's just time for a full tower setup.


pm me.

i have a pair of beta 50s i am selling cheap on craigslist.com

i am located is mo 64078
post #2239 of 2330
What a difference a tower makes!!! I thought I'd report back in case anyone else ends up in a similiar predicament. The Primus P363 timber-matches very well with the beta 50's. I have no technical data proof or anything but from the ears of a so called audiophile I think they blend together great! Its a giant leap forward from the c360 I replaced it with. It's funny the speaker drivers are all the same size but just being vertical really brings it to life. I was not able to put the beta c360 drivers in the primus p363 box because while they are the same size they are not the same shape. The 360s are not prefectly round and do not fit without modifying the box a bit which I dont want to do.

So long story short you can mix and match these to a point and be pretty happy with it. The treble is a bit lighter on the primus series, I guess from the smaller tweeter, but the base is punchy and the mid-range very clear. They have the same neutral sound as the betas which most of us probably like.
post #2240 of 2330
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Originally Posted by drunkpenguin View Post

It's funny the speaker drivers are all the same size but just being vertical really brings it to life.

Also, possibly, the extended frequency response of the larger enclosure, or the improved room-coupling of the ported system. Or even just position.
post #2241 of 2330
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Originally Posted by JerryLove View Post

I see no love mentioned for the Beta 10's. I've got an opportunity to grab 4 (cherry) for about $120 for the set. Likely they will get played with for a while then put back up for sale (it's how I listen to a lot of gear: buy used and resell); but I can't get a bead on the demand because everyone seems focused on the 20's.

I rarely see the Beta 10's for sale anywhere. let alone two pair at the same time. $120 for 4 of them had to be a pretty good deal.
post #2242 of 2330
At $30 each do you really have to question the purchase of Beta 10's? That's a no brainer.
post #2243 of 2330
Actually yes (didn't take them); because if they didn't displace an existing set of speakers (all depends on how they sound relative to whatever I'm using), I would need to sell them... and it wasn't clear that there would be a buyer from whom to recoup the expense.
post #2244 of 2330
Definitely would've been able to break even on ebay. Or from me. smile.gif

I'm increasingly surprised by my Beta's. I've got my 50's in the bedroom for now so I've got a set of 20's as my mains in the living room with the C360 center. Listening to music last weekend in stereo I was caught off guard so I started paying attention to the front soundstage. I swore my center was putting out sound so much I had to get up and put my ear to it; those damn 20's fooled me! I finally appreciate the 'acoustic waveguide', up until now I just thought it was another fancy name for the tweeter set-up. Nope! PHart, you did good!

I'm sure this has already been discussed (75 pages is a lot of sifting), but what kind of external amps are others using with their Beta's? I've been eyeing a nearby Adcom GFA5500. Trying to decide if I want to get something like it to drive the 50's. I'll start searching the thread. Will edit if I find what I'm looking for, otherwise lemme know what you think, please.

Happy Thanksgiving e'rybody! smile.gif
Edited by hopeles117 - 11/21/12 at 10:02pm
post #2245 of 2330
I'm using an emotiva xpa-5 and I love it. I have a Marantz SR7002 Receiver which has pretty good amplification already so the difference was not huge, but there was a change for the good when I added the Amp. I use the Amp to drive the front 3 and left and right surrounds, then the Marantz drives the 2 rear surrounds.
post #2246 of 2330
Hey all. I recently had to change my setup and now need to put my ES250 speakers on stands seated behind the listening position. Anybody have success with any particular stand that's sturdy, not too much of an eyesore, and not too expensive that would be a good match for these?...
post #2247 of 2330
Holy cow. Just picked up an Adcom GFA-5800 for $350 and have been listening for the last hour. I haven't even tried a clean source, still just listening to my ipod through a Y-cable into my Denon feeding the amp by its pre-outs, and good Jesus details are popping out left and right. Perhaps this should be in another thread, but I just think these speakers continue to impress me (Beta 50's). Even getting shoved power down their throats they're taking it in stride and keeping up with the music.

I also happened to win an ebay auction for an Adcom GFA-555 right before checking my email for the reply from the Craigslist post for my offer on the 5800. So I've got that on the way too. Because of the higher power from the 5800 I can't do anything but run the 50's alone on it (aw shucks!). But since the 555 is a bit toned down, I'll be able to run 2 pairs of 20's as 'dual-stereo' at an Adcom-rated 167.5w/channel (Ken Rockwell reviewed a 555 and in testing the power output found at 8ohms 260w/channel, not necessarily the 200w/channel Adcom advertised). And I think both of these amps are Nelsen Pass designed.

Basically I'm just trying to say that I'll be swimming in watts in my listening room if you need me... smile.gif
post #2248 of 2330
What crossover would you guys recommend with the Infinity Beta 40 Towers? I can only adjust crossover on my receiver for everything, not individual speakers. Playing around with 80-100 range, and 100 maybe has better response, but sounds a little distorted.
post #2249 of 2330
If it is in fact distorting at 100, dropping it to 80 wouldn't be any better. Are you using the setup for mostly music or movies? What are your preferences for low freq response? How capable is your sub to fill in at 80 or 100hz? What kind of coloring does your room create, and how does that affect your preferences?

Lots of questions to look at. Keep playing and see what you like better. Everyone says 80 is the best place, but if you prefer 100hz, keep it there.
post #2250 of 2330
Hi There Folks,

I'm in need of a replacement set of grilles for the Alpha 50's in black. Does anybody have a source for these? HK gave me a list of people to talk to, but half of them have numbers that are disconnected:

Speaker works 918-664-6299 or 800-526-8879 in Tulsa, Oklahoma
Midwest Speaker 651-645-7174 in St. Paul, Minnesota
HJS Sound 260-493-1522 in New Haven, Indiana
Orange County Speaker 714-554-8520 in Garden Grove, California
Speaker works 602-230-0344 in Phoenix, Arizona
Custom Music House 415-388-5711 in Mill Valley, CA
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