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post #31 of 70
2/12/07 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by gamelover360 View Post

What don't you fanboys understand. We don't want the MS (360) rebuttal every time we post an article about the PS3 that is positive. This is a PS3 forum with PS3 owners.

If the article only spoke about the greatness of the PS3, and wasn't talking smack about MS and the 360, then this forum wouldn't have this issue. It's simple. If you throw chum in the water, don't go complaining about sharks.

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post #32 of 70
2/12/07 at 6:36am
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Originally Posted by dub273 View Post

If the article only spoke about the greatness of the PS3, and wasn't talking smack about MS and the 360, then this forum wouldn't have this issue. It's simple. If you throw chum in the water, don't go complaining about sharks.


I highlighted the quote that the thread was about. I posted the link as a reference. Do I not have a right to expect a fanboy free experience on the PS3 FORUM if I dare post a link to an article that has a negetive opinion on a system that has NOTHING to do with this forum?

They need to check themselves. Do not hold me responsible for someone else'e immaturity and innability to restrain their argumentative console loving impulses throbbing througout their brains.

If I posted a bunch of negative 360 quotes and piled on, I would be more inclined to agree with you.

If this thread was given a 360 bashing title, I may be inclined to agree with you.

I own and love my 360. But in this forum I come to talk about my PS3. And I expect to be able to do that without MS accolites hijacking threads at every turn.

Now we could take it to a level where you can post nothing with an opinion becasue you may enflame a fanboy. But then they win. We lose the freedom of PS3 speech in a PS3 forum.
post #33 of 70
2/12/07 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by gamelover360 View Post

I highlighted the quote that the thread was about. I posted the link as a reference. Do I not have a right to expect a fanboy free experience on the PS3 FORUM if I dare post a link to an article that has a negetive opinion on a system that has NOTHING to do with this forum?

You should have every right to expect a mature discussion; frankly, you've done nothing wrong and from what I see you've conducted yourself well. But take a look two, three, and four replies in, where your compatriots begin taking digs at MS and the allegedly 'insecure' 360 fan base, then the smug and self-congratulatory tone of #13 when it turned out that somebody took the bait.

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Now we could take it to a level where you can post nothing with an opinion becasue you may enflame a fanboy. But then they win. We lose the freedom of PS3 speech in a PS3 forum.

I'm sorry that it's that way, too. PS3 owners should be able to have a discussion without the pro-360 crowd coming to pee in their pool. (Lord knows, PS3 owners and Sony have taken enough knocks already.) But when PS3 owners flip the bird over Redmond's way, that's what happens.

I didn't mean to lump you in with the more immature crowd, and I'm sorry if that impression came across.
post #34 of 70
2/12/07 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by wsylvan View Post

This is why I am reminded by those days in this console battle. The 360 is great machine, much like the Genesis was, but there is a consequence in being before your time. I can't help but to wonder how Microsoft needs to be careful with this HDMI thing. If they upgrade their system as rumored, they could potentially alienate current owners should the technology allow for features current model can not follow in. If upgrading to HDMI means that movies could potentially be upscaled only through HDMI, then previous buyers will be at a loss. If hard drive upgrades are sold beyond 20 gig, then those stuck with smaller hard drives will be out more money.

There's a big difference between a 32X and a larger hard drive for a 360. You don't NEED a larger hard drive on a 360 in order to play certain games. Downloadable games on the 360 are tiny. Games don't install on the 360, they only cache, so that doesn't take up much space.

But if you didn't buy a 32X, you couldn't play certain Sega games. It was a necessary upgrade if you wanted to play some of Sega's game catalog. MS isn't doing anything like this, and they would be stupid to do so.

A larger hard drive and HDMI don't affect gameplay in the least, which is the console's primary purpose.

I don't think this is any different from the slim PS2 having an IR sensor and networking built in, whereas the original one didn't. My original PS2 could be upgraded to use IR (did it) and networking (didn't do it).
post #35 of 70
2/12/07 at 7:14am
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Originally Posted by Hughmc View Post

Many on this forum including myself have tried both the PS2 component cables and HDMI cables on their PS3. We have witnessed a noticeable improvement in PQ in terms of contrast, detail, brightness and color. Putting a percentage on it for me it was about a 25% improvement without exaggeration. It is that much better with HDMI. The PS2 component cables just don't do the PS3 justice like HDMI.

That will depend entirely on the television being used. My TV (DLP), for example, converts HDMI into analog before displaying it. HDMI doesn't look nearly as good as component does, and component looks great. HDMI's color saturation is really low on my TV.

On other TVs, perhaps the analog to digital converters that work on the component inputs are lacking.

It is definitely good to have a choice, of course.
post #36 of 70
2/12/07 at 7:20am
Yet another article on the *POTENTIAL* of the PS3.. seems like thats all we've been reading for what.. the past 3 years now..



If only I had a nickel for everytime...
post #37 of 70
2/12/07 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by InfernoSoul View Post

I am guessing no one actually read the interview rather then just skimmed through it. Here and I quote:

Please, please, please, please put an HDMI port in there, because only then can you really see the graphics.

Now how do you interpret that as him saying the game would have better graphics with HDMI? He clearly says "really see the graphics" the 360 signal is anlog and the PS3 signal is digital. The way he meant it is that it makes the "graphics" shine over the digital HDMI signal then over anolog Component signal, not an improvement in the games actual graphics. With HDMI 1.3 HDTV's around the corner I am sure you are going to see a lot of improvement from Component to HDMI 1.3. Like someone else said you would need the HDMI 1.3 compatible HDTV to see the improvement but at least you have that option unlike 360, rather sucks for the 360 owners(especially if they release that rumored updated version of the 360 with HDMI).

Hope the game is great. But this HDMI thing is crap 100%. We already know what the deal is between component and HDMI, there is good and bad with both. Sure 360 owners would have like the HDMI choice more for a convenient reason and not that you get better looking games in general, you don't and the subtle differences can vary between display used. Like who here doesn't know this? Those statements from them sound like Sony speaking 100%. With that said I hope the game is all that.
post #38 of 70
2/12/07 at 7:35am
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You should have every right to expect a mature discussion; frankly, you've done nothing wrong and from what I see you've conducted yourself well. But take a look two, three, and four replies in, where your compatriots begin taking digs at MS and the allegedly 'insecure' 360 fan base, then the smug and self-congratulatory tone of #13 when it turned out that somebody took the bait.

You are right. PS3 owners should shut their mouth about the 360 if they are trying to knock it. I agree 100%. Fanboyism runs both ways. I didn't read those posts but I will later as I am at work........


BTW, nice jab ya got in there Daekwon. Real mature and meanigful. The PS3 has not been out for long but you feel the need to insinuate that talk of its' potential is a bunch of hot air.
post #39 of 70
2/12/07 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by Majestic12 View Post

What's there to say? Both Carmack and Gabe Newell have said other things about the PS3......

Let's see the kind of graphics that he can create with the PS3, like full 1080p (not on crappy sports games).

With or without HDMI, Gears outdoes anything the PS3 has at the moment.

I dissagree...GEARS is a good game...but it is third generation Xbox 360 title. It took 1 year for Gears of war to come out. By Christmas 2007, we will see PS3 games worlds better than GEARS. Remember Resistance is a first gen PS3 game and it is pretty damn good. GEARS is just a little bit more bloody, and i like that. But Resistance is smooth..and the online good since you can play 40 players online with no slowdown...
post #40 of 70
2/12/07 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by dub273 View Post

If the article only spoke about the greatness of the PS3, and wasn't talking smack about MS and the 360, then this forum wouldn't have this issue. It's simple. If you throw chum in the water, don't go complaining about sharks.


This is just sick, why do the Fanboys always got to pee on another console? If you were a real gammer, you would own all 3 consoles, or at least a Xbox 360 and a PS3. There will be games on both that will be better on one or the other...The PS3 is not going to die and neither is the 360.

Lets just chill and get along!
post #41 of 70
2/12/07 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by Tripjammer View Post

I dissagree...GEARS is a good game...but it is third generation Xbox 360 title. It took 1 year for Gears of war to come out. By Christmas 2007, we will see PS3 games worlds better than GEARS. Remember Resistance is a first gen PS3 game and it is pretty damn good. GEARS is just a little bit more bloody, and i like that. But Resistance is smooth..and the online good since you can play 40 players online with no slowdown...


Actually, Gears of War is technically a first generation game. The reason 2nd generation games seem to look better than first is because the developers have past experience with the system and are better able to tap into it's power. To be fair to Resistance, Epic did have a lot of support from Microsoft while making the Unreal 3 engine. If I recall correctly, Gears of War was in development 3-6 months longer than resistance. Either way, both games look great.


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Originally Posted by Tripjammer View Post

This is just sick, why do the Fanboys always got to pee on another console? If you were a real gammer, you would own all 3 consoles, or at least a Xbox 360 and a PS3. There will be games on both that will be better on one or the other...The PS3 is not going to die and neither is the 360.

Lets just chill and get along!

Unfortunately, not many people can afford to buy all three consoles, at least, not yet. While it does seem annoying and childish, trying to prove that your console is "better" than the others does indeed help your side.

If there is a lot of negative news and talk about console XXX then people who were considering buying console XXX may buy console YYY. Since console YYY has a larger userbase, more games will come out exclusively for YYY. Also, the public's opinion of console XXX may influence developers to make games exclusively for YYY.

I don't see anything wrong with highlighting key features and games, what annoys me is when fanboys attack the other console instead.
post #42 of 70
2/12/07 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by HorrorScope View Post

Hope the game is great. But this HDMI thing is crap 100%. We already know what the deal is between component and HDMI, there is good and bad with both. Sure 360 owners would have like the HDMI choice more for a convenient reason and not that you get better looking games in general, you don't and the subtle differences can vary between display used. Like who here doesn't know this? Those statements from them sound like Sony speaking 100%. With that said I hope the game is all that.

huh? Lord knows what you are talking about.

1080p can be properly used in 100% of HDTV's that have HDMI right now, which is all HDTV's bought in past 2 years, at least.

1080p can not be used properly in most TV's via component or VGA. In fact, most of it wont work. 1080p on 360 is vaporware.

It might be fine now, but what happens in 3 years when 1080p TV's are normal occurance? What happens in 5 years? What happens with the fact that you cant watch HD movies at 1080p?

Same goes with not including hard drive or hd-dvd-rom with 360 either. Those choices will hurt 360 in next years to come.

In fact Factor 5 said nothing wrong. Apsolutly nothing. With respects to both 360 and Wii. A lot of Wii fanboys are criticizing them for no reason at all. All they said was that Wii is capable of much better graphics than what developers are using right now and that devs are lazy. And they should know since their GameCube games look better than games currently on Wii.

And that 360 will be ultimatly hurt because by standard, it doesnt have hard drive, HDMI, HD-DVD or motion sensitive controller, standard, and most devs will develop for lowest setup (they have to).

All of that is true and they were not bashing anyone.
post #43 of 70
2/12/07 at 8:25am
HDMI is the only really mainstream option for 1080/60p. On a native 1920x1080 panel, 1080/60p should indeed be a large step forward in PQ. Even 1080i (typically the max for component) won't work as well because you can de-interlace 1080/60i to 1080/30p or 1080/24p, but you can't de-interlace it to 1080/60p. So assuming Lair and future titles can actually pull off 1080/60p, then this guys is right that HDMI is necessary and will take PQ to a new level. It's not a digital/analog thing, it's a bandwidth thing. The only analog option is VGA which would also be just as good but isn't present on the majority of consumer TV's.
post #44 of 70
2/12/07 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by spwolf View Post

1080p can be properly used in 100% of HDTV's that have HDMI right now, which is all HDTV's bought in past 2 years, at least.

Actually, most 1st generation 1080p TVs will not accept a 1080p signal at all through any input, including the SXRDs.

They fixed this on most of the 2nd generation sets.
post #45 of 70
2/12/07 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by Felgar View Post

HDMI is the only really mainstream option for 1080/60p. On a native 1920x1080 panel, 1080/60p should indeed be a large step forward in PQ. Even 1080i (typically the max for component) won't work as well because you can de-interlace 1080/60i to 1080/30p or 1080/24p, but you can't de-interlace it to 1080/60p. So assuming Lair and future titles can actually pull off 1080/60p, then this guys is right that HDMI is necessary and will take PQ to a new level. It's not a digital/analog thing, it's a bandwidth thing. The only analog option is VGA which would also be just as good but isn't present on the majority of consumer TV's.

Component is perfectly capable of carrying 1080p/60. The XBox 360 will output 1080p/60 over component. Not many TVs accept it, of course. But like I pointed out before, not many 1st generation 1080p TVs accepted 1080p on any input, either.
post #46 of 70
2/12/07 at 8:38am
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Originally posted by Daekwan
Yet another article on the *POTENTIAL* of the PS3.. seems like thats all we've been reading for what.. the past 3 years now..



If only I had a nickel for everytime...

...and more fuel is thrown on the fire.... was your post really necessary?
post #47 of 70
2/12/07 at 8:51am
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Originally Posted by Shape View Post

Component is perfectly capable of carrying 1080p/60. The XBox 360 will output 1080p/60 over component. Not many TVs accept it, of course. But like I pointed out before, not many 1st generation 1080p TVs accepted 1080p on any input, either.

I realize this which is I why I said the 'typical' max of component is 1080i, and also why I specified mainstream option. What the connection can theoritical handle doesn't mean anything if the devices don't support it. Although a good number of early 1080p TV's didn't support 1080p input, the reality is now that any 1080p panel that doesn't support 1080/60p over HDMI isn't worth buying, and from here on out that will be the pinnacle of graphic performance. So the Dev wasn't wrong.
post #48 of 70
2/12/07 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by William Mapstone View Post

...and more fuel is thrown on the fire.... was your post really necessary?

None of his posts in the PS3 forum ever are. I don't have a 360 but I don't post negative things every chance I get in their forum. Dogging the competition all the time will not make your system any better.
post #49 of 70
2/12/07 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by spwolf View Post

huh? Lord knows what you are talking about.

1080p can be properly used in 100% of HDTV's that have HDMI right now, which is all HDTV's bought in past 2 years, at least.

1080p can not be used properly in most TV's via component or VGA. In fact, most of it wont work. 1080p on 360 is vaporware.

It might be fine now, but what happens in 3 years when 1080p TV's are normal occurance? What happens in 5 years? What happens with the fact that you cant watch HD movies at 1080p?

Same goes with not including hard drive or hd-dvd-rom with 360 either. Those choices will hurt 360 in next years to come.

In fact Factor 5 said nothing wrong. Apsolutly nothing. With respects to both 360 and Wii. A lot of Wii fanboys are criticizing them for no reason at all. All they said was that Wii is capable of much better graphics than what developers are using right now and that devs are lazy. And they should know since their GameCube games look better than games currently on Wii.

And that 360 will be ultimatly hurt because by standard, it doesnt have hard drive, HDMI, HD-DVD or motion sensitive controller, standard, and most devs will develop for lowest setup (they have to).

All of that is true and they were not bashing anyone.

No it is you that are confused. They weren't bashing, they were just over hyping HDMI completely and the powers it possesses.

On your 1080P movies, we already have people with zoomed screen shots showing us 1080i signal vs. a 1080P signal to a 1080P panel is indistinguishable for one and that is working on about a ½ year old news now, let alone there are units that are sending 1080P over component to 1080P panels. Not that I'm against HDMI but component and vga can do 1080P signals, it's in the spec. to be able to handle it and it does. The Xbox does have that option as well to do 1080P over component and VGA.
post #50 of 70
2/12/07 at 10:12am
Oh boy here we go again setting up for big arguments. You know why don't you all just be quite about what system does what better then the other and just enjoy gaming as it is. You can't eat the graphics and after you play for so long you put the title away to collect dust. Grow up and stop acting like little children for goodness sake. I have all the systems and I am here to tell you they all have issues. Stop worshiping games as though you worship God and you will be better off in the end. Gaming isn't that serious, and it is supposed to be about fun. FUN not silly child like arguments over what system is and should be better. GROW UP!
post #51 of 70
2/12/07 at 10:25am
^ I don't know what your beef is with me. I like the PS3 myself, my point is they made it sound like HDMI is darn near it's own graphics adapter or something of the sort. That's about all from me on it, well then someone telling me I don't have a clue about HDMI/component/vga and then said things that aren't true about them.
post #52 of 70
2/12/07 at 10:47am
Component video, 1080P or not, is where video connectivity "has been".

HDMI 1.3 is where video connectivity is converging to. Everything that component video can do, HDMI also can and will do it better. Meanwhile, there are numerous things HDMI offers that is not available with component video.

Component Video is adequate for the Xbox 360, I agree. But HDMI is a superior audio/video connection interface that delivers superior performance than what the Xbox 360 is capable of.
post #53 of 70
2/12/07 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by LeeLee View Post

But HDMI is a superior audio/video connection interface that delivers superior performance than what the Xbox 360 is capable of.

If you're celebrating DRM, I suppose HDMI is something to get really excited about.

Otherwise, meh. I agree, the industry, for better or for worse, is moving towards HDMI, but I don't see it as an amazing super superior advancement in quality, and I certainly don't see it offering more than what the 360 is capable of (HDMI alone).

Anyway, on topic, Lair looks awesome, and promising, I just hope the dev doesn't sacrifice frame rate (as early builds have) for 1080p.
post #54 of 70
2/12/07 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by HorrorScope View Post

No it is you that are confused. They weren't bashing, they were just over hyping HDMI completely and the powers it possesses.

On your 1080P movies, we already have people with zoomed screen shots showing us 1080i signal vs. a 1080P signal to a 1080P panel is indistinguishable for one and that is working on about a ½ year old news now, let alone there are units that are sending 1080P over component to 1080P panels. Not that I'm against HDMI but component and vga can do 1080P signals, it's in the spec. to be able to handle it and it does. The Xbox does have that option as well to do 1080P over component and VGA.

except that MOST TV'S CANT DO IT. And you wont be able to play movies without HDMI.

I am very doubtful that new TV's will have any better support for component than old ones.

This is all something MS has known before, and they decided to go cheaper route... good for them.
post #55 of 70
2/12/07 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by InfernoSoul View Post

I am guessing no one actually read the interview rather then just skimmed through it. Here and I quote:

Please, please, please, please put an HDMI port in there, because only then can you really see the graphics.

Now how do you interpret that as him saying the game would have better graphics with HDMI? He clearly says "really see the graphics" the 360 signal is anlog and the PS3 signal is digital. The way he meant it is that it makes the "graphics" shine over the digital HDMI signal then over anolog Component signal, not an improvement in the games actual graphics. With HDMI 1.3 HDTV's around the corner I am sure you are going to see a lot of improvement from Component to HDMI 1.3. Like someone else said you would need the HDMI 1.3 compatible HDTV to see the improvement but at least you have that option unlike 360, rather sucks for the 360 owners(especially if they release that rumored updated version of the 360 with HDMI).[/Q

How do you interpret him as saying that! He meant there is no difference in picture quality with HDMI or component. You silly little fanboy there IS NO DIFFERENCE between the two. If you dont believe me check it out for yourself. And if you really think HDMI 1.3 will make a difference well then good for your gullible self who believes everything the latest articles say without actually seeing some real world evidence. I dont even know why Im wasting my time with another PS3 fanboy! If you only had enough money to afford and enjoy both then you wouldnt even be a fanboy. Now go back to playing RFOM for the 100th time!

You guys sure like that term "fanboy". Here's a HUGE and I mean a HUGE FYI for you, you yes you are on a Playstation forum. Whoa no **** right? What proof do you have that HDMI 1.3 will not be better then what is currently out? The claimed higher bandwidth and deep color sounds promising to me. It is kind of hard to see real world evidence when the technology hasn't even be released yet. Talk about calling me a "fanboy". Not all HDTV's accept 1080p over component, however for HDMI it's no problem also with HDMI 1.3 we get Lossless aduio. Also personally I would rather have the option of either Digital signal or Anolog signal. One more thing nothing in my previous post was not "fanboy-ish" I just don't see how you interpert him saying that actual game graphics would be better rather then just shine over component, don't forget lossless audio. Now having those out of the way, I like how you imply that I cannot afford both systems. How do you know what my financial standpoint is? You don't, you just assumed. I chose the PS3 mainly for the Blu Ray, my friend has a 360 so there really isn't a point for me or him to have both(yet) since we hang out regularly and enjoy the best of both worlds. Thanks for the tip, sounds like your just jealous that you can't play RFOM.
post #56 of 70
2/12/07 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by HorrorScope View Post

On your 1080P movies, we already have people with zoomed screen shots showing us 1080i signal vs. a 1080P signal to a 1080P panel is indistinguishable for one and that is working on about a ½ year old news now

Well yeah, if you pause it and also if you have de-interlacing working properly you can get 1080/24p via 1080i no problem. So for movies it's no wonder there's no difference. But you can't use 1080i to get 1080/60p as I pointed out earlier.

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Originally Posted by HorrorScope View Post

let alone there are units that are sending 1080P over component to 1080P panels.

Very, very, few panels will take 1080/60p on component. A few will do 1080/30p or 1080/24p.

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Originally Posted by HorrorScope View Post

Not that I'm against HDMI but component and vga can do 1080P signals, it's in the spec. to be able to handle it and it does. The Xbox does have that option as well to do 1080P over component and VGA.

I'm not positive but I don't believe that 1080p IS an official component resolution (scanning rate). Component was originally intended to do only 1080i but since it's an analog signal it's pretty easy to implement a 1080p transmission scheme. Not having it in the original designs is one of the reasons why 1080p component inputs are so rare, if I'm not mistaken.

I agree that VGA can do it no problem; the only problem being the limited number of TV's that have VGA inputs. There's also the whole thing where HD movies need HDCP which really limits the usefullness of VGA, thus ensuring that VGA will remain in few sets while HDMI has become the new standard.
post #57 of 70
2/12/07 at 12:04pm
TOO BAD EPIC's HEADROOM WAS MAXED OUT WITH GEARS OF WAR, AND WHILE THE PS3 WOULD BECOME EASIER TO PROGRAM FOR, THE 360 HAS REACHED ITS PEAK
post #58 of 70
2/12/07 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by Shape View Post

There's a big difference between a 32X and a larger hard drive for a 360. You don't NEED a larger hard drive on a 360 in order to play certain games. Downloadable games on the 360 are tiny. Games don't install on the 360, they only cache, so that doesn't take up much space.

But if you didn't buy a 32X, you couldn't play certain Sega games. It was a necessary upgrade if you wanted to play some of Sega's game catalog. MS isn't doing anything like this, and they would be stupid to do so.

A larger hard drive and HDMI don't affect gameplay in the least, which is the console's primary purpose.

I don't think this is any different from the slim PS2 having an IR sensor and networking built in, whereas the original one didn't. My original PS2 could be upgraded to use IR (did it) and networking (didn't do it).

You are right, there is a difference. The problem though is that I also mentioned features that one could not upgrade within their systems and I noted the smart companies since Sega have avoided doing this. The hard drive issue is resolvable simply by purchasing a larger hardrive. This costs money though. If Microsoft wants to allow the 360 to perform DVR functions then this becomes a larger issue. Who owns a 20g Tivo? Online movie rentals take space as well. Nonetheless, your point is well taken and one could upgrade. The HDMI thing is the kicker though. Say what you will about the specs of 1080p, the big destraction I see here is the possibility of video upscaling over HDMI and corming to 1.3. Those using analog could be left out. Additionally, if Microsoft decides to offer a version with HD-DVD at a competitive price, there will be several million owners out there who ar out of luck. Sure they may not care and this increasing differentiation of the console could be good as buyers have more choices. But then again, that is what Sega thought.

I think microsft has done an excellent job with 360 without HDMI, just as Nintendo did without a CD attachment or all that extra stuff. But the console companies need to stick with a platform to the end of its lifecycle. This makes it more stable during its tenure in the market and allows their next generation console to be more differentiated from the previous generation.
post #59 of 70
2/12/07 at 12:13pm
Too bad this forum has been overrun by children...
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2/12/07 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by epicbloodline View Post

TOO BAD EPIC's HEADROOM WAS MAXED OUT WITH GEARS OF WAR, AND WHILE THE PS3 WOULD BECOME EASIER TO PROGRAM FOR, THE 360 HAS REACHED ITS PEAK


What qualifies you to say the 360 has reached its' peak? Do you really know what you are talking about? I am just wondering what makes you say such a thing when you have not programmed a single line of code to justify what you are saying, or have you?
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