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Hackers decimate AACS encryption

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Last month, we brought you the news that hacker Muslix64 had cracked AACS on Blu-ray, shortly after he went to town on AACS on HD-DVD.

What Muslix was able to do was track down the AACS keys on the individual discs, thus showing the world how to crack each HD title in turn.

Now another hacker, Arnezami, has taken things a step further and found the one, universal AACS key that will decrypt every Blu-ray and HD-DVD title protected with AACS copy protection - effectively cracking the player aspect of the system, rather than the disc.

He managed to do this without going into the copy protection, breaking any laws, or messing around. He spent a lot of time just looking at the data loaded into memory by discs and the player on his PC, and discovered that the player-side key wasn't kept in memory. The Media Key, as the player-side key is called, is only in memory for a short amount of time, but Arnezami wrote software which would memory dump a small area of memory at the time he suspected the Media Key would need to be loaded and, as it happens, he was right.

Of course, it could be that this particular key - belonging to one of the software PC programmes - could be revoked in the future. But, since the hacking community now knows how to go about finding the key, any future revisions of PC software could be hacked in seconds - the only thing that would prevent this would be a re-writing of the AACS standard!

It seems that HD DRM is really in trouble with this latest announcement. The encryption that took years to perfect and millions to build has been compromised in weeks by hackers who haven't even reverse engineered anything to do it.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/02...CS_encryption/
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OH Boy. Im going to need more HD space to bakc up my 70 odd HD DVD and Blu Ray disc
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You know they didn't crack the encryption, they just found where the key for decryption is stored

It's more of sloppy programming than anything else...
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Now we get to see if the BD+ encryption scheme has any chops or not.
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Ha! I knew it was just a matter of time.
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The size vs cost ratio doesn't seem like pirated copies will hurt retail sales too much. Is wasting 15-50g of HDD space worth saving $25? Besides getting MPAA to target bitorrent sites harder. Which I hope doesn't happen.

And this is more of a crack then an impressive show of skill. They didn't break in the bank they mugged the door man.


Wonder how long till they identify these guys and we have another DVD Jon trial going on.
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I'd rather buy a BD than download a 50gb file and burn it to a 50gb disc. Even with DVD pirating, most copies are recompressed. The worst it'll do is give better recompressed versions. I think most people only download titles they don't like much or haven't seen, if you like it you'd probably buy it.
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I doubt piracy will be as much of an issue for a while. Downloading 15-50 GB of data takes an eternity even with a fast internet connection. Re-encodes to reduce the file size doesn't make sense for HD content since you might as well just pirate the DVD version and be done with it since you'd lose a lot of detail. Plus, writable media is still pretty pricy. A 50GB DL BD costs like $25 on the retail market right now, so you're not really saving any money until that drops down to the $10-15 range or less even if you ignore the ethics.

I don't think BD+ will be a surefire solution, seeing how ineffectual most encryption security systems have been, but it'll at least throw up another roadblock and make pirating less attractive; and that's all that needs to happen. I think when the cost of pirating + annoyance of bypassing security + risk of criminal persecution doesn't overwhelm the price of the disc, that's when we'll be at a reasonable state of equilibrium.
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You guys are not looking at this from the right aspect. All of these anti-piracy measures isn't to stop someone uploading a moving to be leeched, it's about companies making millions by selling pirated copies. Sure downloading movies cuts into revenues, but having them mass produced on a global stage really hurts the movie industry. I know of places in major metropolitian cities where I can get a damn near 1:1 copy of a dvd for about $5 (probably even less now). My girlfriend's family is from India, and she said over there it's almost impossible to find a legit copy of a movie there. You'd have to hunt down someone to legally purchase a movie there.

Those groups of individuals are the reason for AACS, BD+, and any other form of anti-piracy.
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Originally Posted by bdizzle View Post

You guys are not looking at this from the right aspect. All of these anti-piracy measures isn't to stop someone uploading a moving to be leeched, it's about companies making millions by selling pirated copies. Sure downloading movies cuts into revenues, but having them mass produced on a global stage really hurts the movie industry. I know of places in major metropolitian cities where I can get a damn near 1:1 copy of a dvd for about $5 (probably even less now). My girlfriend's family is from India, and she said over there it's almost impossible to find a legit copy of a movie there. You'd have to hunt down someone to legally purchase a movie there.

Those groups of individuals are the reason for AACS, BD+, and any other form of anti-piracy.

Far cheaper to do it yourself in the states. DL DVDs are what, $.50 a piece?

That said, another nail in HD-DVDs coffin? With AACS cracked so early, will studios go for the greater BD copy protection?
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I doubt piracy will be as much of an issue for a while. Downloading 15-50 GB of data takes an eternity even with a fast internet connection.

I can do 15GB in two hours, 50GB in seven, at least overnight when traffic is low. I've essentially tested this with software and (free, legal) video downloads. I pay $45 a month for service. A fair number of people have connections 5-10x faster than mine, and closer to the backbone.

I have no interest in illegal downloads, but if I did and the source were out there, I could get one ripped BD a night indefinitely. If I only wanted to watch one at a time, storage wouldn't be an issue. I agree that burning discs wouldn't make much sense for a while since media prices are high. Even storing to hard disk would be a little crazy right now.
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I'd rather buy a BD than download a 50gb file and burn it to a 50gb disc. Even with DVD pirating, most copies are recompressed. The worst it'll do is give better recompressed versions. I think most people only download titles they don't like much or haven't seen, if you like it you'd probably buy it.

PERSPECTIVE...yeah yeah its a pain to store 50GB movies and no one will. Same thing when DVD first came out. The importance of breaking the keys now, is when blank BD-R's are $2 each and you can store 3 movies on them with BRD-Shrink, or whatever its going to be called.

You guys are all thinking present. Breaking the keys is for future HTPC's, not ones right now. I woul think that its fairly obvious, no?
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Originally Posted by moore View Post

I can do 15GB in two hours, 50GB in seven, at least overnight when traffic is low. I've essentially tested this with software and (free, legal) video downloads. I pay $45 a month for service. A fair number of people have connections 5-10x faster than mine, and closer to the backbone.

I have no interest in illegal downloads, but if I did and the source were out there, I could get one ripped BD a night indefinitely. If I only wanted to watch one at a time, storage wouldn't be an issue. I agree that burning discs wouldn't make much sense for a while since media prices are high. Even storing to hard disk would be a little crazy right now.

That's basically my read on it too. Piracy isn't an issue (yet), but it will become one in the near future as the hardware and media curves catch up to make it more attractive.
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