Originally Posted by rbrb
How many examples do you need??
1. Rega - Apollo
2. Cambridge Audio - 840C
If you think that SA-CD or DVD-A from the 3930 is as good as it gets you need to get out more. Visit a high end audio shop and demo some CD players.
If someone's is happy a with player like the 3930 that's awsome, just don't spread the illusion that it sounds as good as a CD only player valued at the same amount of money on CD playback. You may want to reread the first post in this thread
First, I did not say that SACD from 3930 is the best there is. There are certainly players that do a better job at SACD and CD.
Second, I said that SA-CD is by definition better than CD, assuming they use quality recording. Obviously if you take a crappy recording, better format would not help. However, a high quality recording will ALWAYS sound better on SACD than on CD.
Third, I did hear Cambridge Audio 840C and it is not better than 3930 with SACD (to me). Actually, I am not even sure it is better with redbook CD.
I also asked if you did a double blind test with these players. If not, you should not make such black-and-white statement.
Solid dvd players are often as good as solid cd players at the same price point. While 3930 is not the best of the bunch (5910 and even 5900 are better with both CD and SACD) it is a very good CD player as well. Like I mentioned before, Esoteric and Linn also make excellent sounding DVD player but may be you did not audition any of them?
Below is a quote from Smarthouse (Australian review magazine) about denon 3930:
"In its optimum configuration, using the higher quality dedicated stereo outputs with CD, the Denon is a powerful player, with the kind of open, tactile sound you can almost reach out and touch. Coming from a DVD-compatible player this is rare indeed - it's good enough to give some well-reputed dedicated CD players a run for their money and will not be disgraced in any company. The same comments apply with all audio sources tried, including DVD-Audio and SACD.
Particularly impressive is the performance of the player with SACD in stereo. With lesser players, SACD can sound a little too smoothly rounded, lacking in grip if you prefer, and unable to articulate the raw edge that some recordings call for. This one does so, while retaining the elegant qualities that this format brings to the party. There is no obvious trade-off - the sound is very open and pure, subtle and organic, with tremendous clout when that's what the music calls for."
Oh, but these reviewers should probably visit more high-end audio shops.
For the record: I do not own 3930; I own denon 5910 and onkyo sp1000