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post #211 of 2935
I'm planning to purchase some Gallo Reference 3.1 speakers, and I'd like to hear your opinions on these questions.

1. SA Amplifier - Is the SA amplifier worth it? Would the money be better spent on a subwoofer?

2. Reference AV Center - I have to mount the Rev AV above my television. This will place it about 24 inches above the top of the 3.1s. Will this be a problem? The alternatives are to use an A'Diva Ti (or a Duè, if I can find one) below the television or a phantom center.

3. Satellites - If you're using one of Gallo's satellites for the surrounds, how do you like them?

4. Placement - How far should the speakers be from the wall? I saw some posts on Audioholics that recommend 4 feet from the rear wall.

5. Color - All black or black with stainless bulbs?

Thanks
post #212 of 2935
1. I'm thinking about this myself, but will probably pay for one on a "return within a week if I don't need it" basis.

2. I have the ref AV center and while not as good as the ref 3.1s, it is very good, and others have said just a few replies earlier - far better than the Dues.

3. I plan on getting Adiva Ti's for surround backs, but have ref AVs for surrounds. The AVs are very good.

4. I believe my ref 3.1s are about 2 feet from the rear wall, and about 3-4 feet from the side walls. They sound great, haven't tried them further away but I don't really want them to intrude into my room any further.

5. Stainless on black is, imho, far and away the sexiest of the Gallo finishes.

Cheers
post #213 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Cawdor View Post

I'm planning to purchase some Gallo Reference 3.1 speakers, and I'd like to hear your opinions on these questions.

1. SA Amplifier - Is the SA amplifier worth it? Would the money be better spent on a subwoofer?

2. Reference AV Center - I have to mount the Rev AV above my television. This will place it about 24 inches above the top of the 3.1s. Will this be a problem? The alternatives are to use an A'Diva Ti (or a Duè, if I can find one) below the television or a phantom center.

3. Satellites - If you're using one of Gallo's satellites for the surrounds, how do you like them?

4. Placement - How far should the speakers be from the wall? I saw some posts on Audioholics that recommend 4 feet from the rear wall.

5. Color - All black or black with stainless bulbs?

Thanks

I have a two channel system, used mainly for music although I do watch some movies using this system. I have the SA and for music I think it's perfect, no problems with sub placement or integration. You really don't need the SA, the difference is very subtle unless you really crank it. I use it to tweek based on room and position. That said, I think for HT you might find more benefit by adding a sub. I think the HT crowd might prefer the "slam" a sub can provide but I don't need that for my application, the 3.1's work just fine. Mine are positioned about three feet from the back wall and I'm constantly dickin around with positioning, I'm never satisfied. I have black/silver but like black/black too.
post #214 of 2935
I am a relatively new Gallo owner having been forced to reconsider my initial speaker choice - and purchase - of a Polk LSi system with LSi 15's, LSi 9 as center, and LSi F/X as surrounds. They wouldn't work well as the 15's need lots of "breathing" space to sound their best, and my room ended up being much smaller than anticipated due to some construction constraints while building a new dedicated screening room. It's always more fun to buy equipment first, but I should have waited as this will be a costly mistake when the Polk's are sold.

I thought I would add my experiences thus far concerning the Ref AV's that don't seem to be as prevalent as the 3/3.1's. I had originally planned on getting the 3.1's, but after auditioning them in my small dedicated screening room (13' x 12' down from the planned 14' x 19'), they just didn't integrate with my room as well as I would have liked in terms of both aesthetics and sound quality, as they sounded best when moved out and away from the room boundaries. I was a little reluctant to try the AV's at first but it made some sense since I was crossing over the 3.1's at 40 or 60hz anyway.

The 3.1's were well broken in and the AV's were brand new, but the performance in my room was better with the AV's. I have a mid bass hump at approximately 70hz that seemed to be excited less with the Ref AV's. However, they didn't sound their best to me when mounted flat against the wall. This mounting made them sound like someone speaking with their hands cupped around their mouth. In addition, while the tweeter has unbelievable off axis response, the mids off axis response - while very good - sounded better to me angled toward the listener. This improved the soundstage and helped to reduce some of the "cupped hands" phenomenon. Moreover, when seated at the extreme ends of the sofa, toeing in helped a great deal in preserving the stereo image. Since these were designed as a wall mounted speaker this posed a problem.

To make a long story longer, I ended up with the AV's for L,C,R and Adiva Ti's for surround duty, but have them in a somewhat unique setup. After wandering around the local Home Depot "window shopping" for possible solutions, I put together off the shelf components and created wall mounts that allowed me to solve both problems at the same time. Total cost was about $50 and they are in stainless steel to boot! They now sit out from the wall and are angled in with the ability to swing the speakers 180 degrees and slide them up or down some 12 inches to help dial in the sound and accommodate varied seating heights that may come as a result of different seating in the future. For those interested, I purchased a pair of 18" stainless steel handicap grab rails, like the kind that you find in most newer commercial bathrooms, and mounted them vertically to the wall. A couple of U-brackets and nuts/bolts and a hose clamp fix the height and fasten the Gallo wall bracket to the rail. The center is just spaced out from the wall with a piece of oak that is stained black and placed behind the screen.

I have an acoustically transparent screen (Draper AT1200), and was initially going to go with a vertical center for seamless integration across the front, but the horizontal center sounded more consistent when sitting off axis in the other seats. Centered in front of the screen, the vertical oriented Ref AV sounded the best, but my kids have discovered this as well, and as a result, my wife and I are typically relegated to the sides of the sofa during movies where the horizontal AV sounded much better.

Those of you with Ref AV's may be missing out on the best performance your speakers can provide by simply mounting them flush and flat to the wall. I have found that you can still "tweak" a wall mounted speaker and get much improved performance for minimal effort and cost. The positioning of your speakers and your room's acoustics have a HUGE impact on sound quality.

The small size of the Adiva Ti's also allowed me to place the surrounds in their proper position located on the side wall, and slightly behind the listening area. The Polk LSi F/X's would have only been able to be placed on the rear wall due to their large size. I have been really impressed with the sound that comes out of those 5" balls with a 3" driver - it really is amazing. I will be adding another pair of the Adiva Ti's wired in parallel to create a bipolar or dipolar surround speaker as I feel this provides the best surround coverage for movies. A simple toggle switch at the speaker will allow me to change from dipolar (movies) to bipolar (music) and I am working out the mounting configuration to provide a great deal of flexibility in moving and angling the speakers for the most enveloping surround field.

I am still breaking them in with only some 40 hours on them to date, but have been impressed with the sound quality thus far. I also played with the Ref AV's placed well away from room boundaries, as would be the case with the 3.1's, in my living room system, and they sounded as good or slightly better than the 3.1's did in the same room when used with my sub (a custom built Revel 15b), which has very flexible setup options and crossover slopes/frequencies/parametric eq's that help integrate the sound exceptionally well. My guess is that the Rev AV's were created to fill a marketing niche and didn't get anywhere near the R&D time the 3/3.1's did. The components in the Ref AV's certainly received the same R&D time and resources. In fact I would be very surprised if there is any difference at all in the tweeter and/or carbon mid drivers in these when compared to the Ref 3's, and as a result sound their best when freed from room boundaries as the 3's do.. In addition, they sound better without the grills - no surprise since most speakers do - but the perforated metal mesh may degrade sound a little more than grill cloth. In my installation the speakers will all be invisible, hidden behind grill cloth "walls" and the projection screen, so the metal grills will be removed.

I am running the Gallo speakers with a Bryston SP processor and 9B-SST amp with video and audio provided by a heavily modified Denon 2900 DVD player and NEC HT1100 projector. I have a TacT integrated that I placed in the system as well, but liked the sound of the Bryston amp better. These are the only two amplifiers that I currently own other than a digital Panny receiver in the family room TV system, and have not auditioned the Gallo's in my home with anything else. The dealer had an Arcam system which sounded very good as well as an Anthem system that sounded very good as well. With the Gallo's being an easy load, I would expect that they should sound good with a number of quality amplifier designs.

I will be curious to see what Gallo replaces the Due with. I think that my needs would have been perfectly filled with a Ref 3.1 minus the 10" sub. If such a product becomes available, I will get on the list for the first production run and replace the Adiva Ti's with them, or if the performance is adequate, perhaps get 5 and sell the current system.
post #215 of 2935
I know the replacement for the Due is coming and what it is....but I cant say.
post #216 of 2935
I emailed Gallo about the Due 2 (tentative name). I was told that it will be announced at CEDIA. It will have 2 of the 4" drivers from the Reference AV and the CDT tweeter. Gallo expects to ship it at the end of the first quarter in 2008.
post #217 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Cawdor View Post

I'm planning to purchase some Gallo Reference 3.1 speakers, and I'd like to hear your opinions on these questions.

1. SA Amplifier - Is the SA amplifier worth it? Would the money be better spent on a subwoofer?

2. Reference AV Center - I have to mount the Rev AV above my television. This will place it about 24 inches above the top of the 3.1s. Will this be a problem? The alternatives are to use an A'Diva Ti (or a Duè, if I can find one) below the television or a phantom center.

3. Satellites - If you're using one of Gallo's satellites for the surrounds, how do you like them?

4. Placement - How far should the speakers be from the wall? I saw some posts on Audioholics that recommend 4 feet from the rear wall.

5. Color - All black or black with stainless bulbs?

Thanks



I would say Definetely get a good sub instead of the SA unless if you plan on getting room treatments. I would reccomend this to everyone. The chance that you will get accurate bass in exactly the spot that your speakers are sitting is highly unlikely. Save up for a good sub.
My 3.1s are about 2.5 feet from the back wall and they sound great. 4 feet seems a bit overdoing to me but just experiment and see what works best for you.
post #218 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Cawdor View Post

I emailed Gallo about the Due 2 (tentative name). I was told that it will be announced at CEDIA. It will have 2 of the 4" drivers from the Reference AV and the CDT tweeter. Gallo expects to ship it at the end of the first quarter in 2008.

I hope that's what will happen. I'm holding off buying for the next few months to see what comes out (also until I get settled in my new house and then complete my basement...). Here's hoping for something good...
post #219 of 2935
I ordered my speakers today: a pair of Reference 3.1s, a Reference AV Center, and a pair of A'Diva Ti's with stands for the surround speakers.

I'd like your opinions on mounting the center speaker. The speaker is too wide to put it in the cabinet below the television. Consequently, I'm planning to mount it above the television. The back of my entertainment center is a teak veneer over a 3/4 inch board. (It appears to be medium density fiberboard.)

What would be the best (most secure) way to attach the speaker to the entertainment center?

What size screws does Gallo include with the Reference AV Center?
post #220 of 2935
www.soundstage2.com/avtour2007 has a picture of the "Due 2" on their show-coverage website.They seem to be changing their websites around,so I had a bit of time getting to it.Go to highlights for sept. 7 and scroll down.699 and 799 are the prices listed.Doesn't say what the differences are,and I'm assuming the prices are for each,not for a pair.The Gallo 3.1 and Refence AV have been on my shortlist for a while(along with ERA and Aerial),and this looks very,very interesting to me as well.
post #221 of 2935
There were some earlier posts that indicated that fan noise was an issue with the SA. I can't ever recall mine coming on, at least not that I heard and it made me wonder how your amps are adjusted. My controls, phase, boost are set to flat and my crossover is set at about 55hz. My left and right volume knobs are at about two o'clock. How do you have yours set up?
post #222 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Cawdor View Post

1. SA Amplifier - Is the SA amplifier worth it? Would the money be better spent on a subwoofer?

2. Reference AV Center - I have to mount the Rev AV above my television. This will place it about 24 inches above the top of the 3.1s. Will this be a problem? The alternatives are to use an A'Diva Ti (or a Duè, if I can find one) below the television or a phantom center.

3. Satellites - If you're using one of Gallo's satellites for the surrounds, how do you like them?

4. Placement - How far should the speakers be from the wall? I saw some posts on Audioholics that recommend 4 feet from the rear wall.

5. Color - All black or black with stainless bulbs?

Thanks

1. This depends on use, 2ch or HT? I have tried a few subs with my Gallos and nothing can keep up with the speed and tonal quality of the refs. If this was for HT use you probably wouldn't notice, and definitely would benefit from a better sub with this money. With 2ch you probably would notice, and would be better off with the SA.

2. I don't foresee it as a problem, if your processor allows try the phantom center, you might be surprised. The trick is to force yourself to try it for a few days then switch back. I tried it back and forth and didn't like it, but once I used it for a few days I could never go back to having a center.

3. I use the dues and really enjoy them. They match the 3.1s well but not perfectly, and are a little anemic on the bass. I prefer the Ref surrounds as they match better and go deeper, but if you were paying retail I don't think it is worth the price difference.

4. Totally depends on the room. I used the cardas method for placing my speakers, and my listening position uses the 38% method. My speakers ended up being about 4ft into the room, from the front of the speaker to the back of the front wall.

5. Your preference. Many prefer black and stainless, if you are a HT purist you would go with black so the speakers wouldn't be seen during movies...or if you are using the grilles the color doesn't matter much.

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Originally Posted by Cawdor View Post

I emailed Gallo about the Due 2 (tentative name). I was told that it will be announced at CEDIA. It will have 2 of the 4" drivers from the Reference AV and the CDT tweeter. Gallo expects to ship it at the end of the first quarter in 2008.

Awesome, thanks for the info, I am looking forward to these speakers.

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Originally Posted by soundaround View Post

www.soundstage2.com/avtour2007 has a picture of the "Due 2" on their show-coverage website.They seem to be changing their websites around,so I had a bit of time getting to it.Go to highlights for sept. 7 and scroll down.699 and 799 are the prices listed.Doesn't say what the differences are,and I'm assuming the prices are for each,not for a pair.

Well I am excited, I will probably get these soon after they come out. Pricing kills me though, but not as much as I expected, this will probably be the first audio equipment I have purchased new in a while...last new purchase was the Gallo Dues.

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Originally Posted by IcemanDallas View Post

There were some earlier posts that indicated that fan noise was an issue with the SA. I can't ever recall mine coming on, at least not that I heard and it made me wonder how your amps are adjusted. My controls, phase, boost are set to flat and my crossover is set at about 55hz. My left and right volume knobs are at about two o'clock. How do you have yours set up?

Mine would come on only with the bass boost being used, and only when watching movies. Usually around 30-45mins in it would come on, but normally I wouldn't be able to hear it. If you are a gamer the sound level was less then my PS2 or Xbox fans. I can't remember the volume settings but they were a little before 12 each.
post #223 of 2935
IMO, Gallo priced the Reference 3.1s perfectly, but the AVs and the new Dues are ridiculously over priced. I MAY consider one of the new Dues for a center speaker, but the styling doesn't even look like it matches the rest of the line from that picture. $800 each? The AVs are $1200 each? Come on. It's almost cheaper to buy a single Ref 3.1 to use as a center. And isn't the tabletop stand for the AV extra? Please.
post #224 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Gaara View Post

Mine would come on only with the bass boost being used, and only when watching movies. Usually around 30-45mins in it would come on, but normally I wouldn't be able to hear it. If you are a gamer the sound level was less then my PS2 or Xbox fans. I can't remember the volume settings but they were a little before 12 each.

Probably the bass boost. I usually run in pure direct mode on my receiver, which does not allow any additional processing on the signal. I'm gonna change over to stereo mode and turn on the loudness function to see what happens. Thx.
post #225 of 2935
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Originally Posted by EnzoPolotso View Post

IMO, Gallo priced the Reference 3.1s perfectly, but the AVs and the new Dues are ridiculously over priced. I MAY consider one of the new Dues for a center speaker, but the styling doesn't even look like it matches the rest of the line from that picture. $800 each? The AVs are $1200 each? Come on. It's almost cheaper to buy a single Ref 3.1 to use as a center. And isn't the tabletop stand for the AV extra? Please.


I agree, I think that is one reason that Due is no more. There were plenty of other speakers that performed as good or better at 1/2 the price. With the Due2, they are probably banking on existing Gallo fans , which I am one, but won't buy it at that price, probably use when it comes up.

I believe the AV prices have gone up 10% to $1320 each.
post #226 of 2935
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Originally Posted by soundaround View Post

www.soundstage2.com/avtour2007 has a picture of the "Due 2" on their show-coverage website.They seem to be changing their websites around,so I had a bit of time getting to it.Go to highlights for sept. 7 and scroll down.699 and 799 are the prices listed.Doesn't say what the differences are,and I'm assuming the prices are for each,not for a pair.The Gallo 3.1 and Refence AV have been on my shortlist for a while(along with ERA and Aerial),and this looks very,very interesting to me as well.

I have been waiting for this bit of news for a long time. Thanks for the info and the link (imo it is much more attractive than the ref av).
post #227 of 2935
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Originally Posted by tanaka View Post

I would say Definetely get a good sub instead of the SA unless if you plan on getting room treatments. I would reccomend this to everyone. The chance that you will get accurate bass in exactly the spot that your speakers are sitting is highly unlikely. Save up for a good sub.
My 3.1s are about 2.5 feet from the back wall and they sound great. 4 feet seems a bit overdoing to me but just experiment and see what works best for you.


WHy get the 3.1's at all. Wouldn't just the Reference AVs be better if you aren't going to use the full range of the 3.1s?
post #228 of 2935
Cawdor wondered:
"I'm planning to purchase some Gallo Reference 3.1 speakers, and I'd like to hear your opinions on these questions.

5. Color - All black or black with stainless bulbs?"

My 3.1s are the Black with Cherry bases. The one thing I really like about the black is that the speakers "disappear" when covered by the grills. The stainless can be clearly seen thru the grills. Speakers should be heard, not seen.

The new Due 2 looks nice, shame about the price. I'll have to hang with my original Dues for a few more years unless I can get a SMOKIN' deal on the Due 2...

-RW-
post #229 of 2935
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Originally Posted by eRav3r View Post

Not be be rude but please don't say you speak with authority when you have not even listened to the reference range (AVs). You'll only make it harder for those looking for -informed- opinions.

Dude, you _were_ rude. Change you moniker to RudeDude and you're set.

I didn't say ANYTHING about the AVs except to comment on their price. I DID say that the Dues were almost seamless in the transition from front to back. That is valuable information to someone thinking of an all-Gallo system.

Mine IS an -informed- opinion. You may not share that opinion, but I'm betting I'm gonna get over that in about 2 or 3 seconds...

-RW-
post #230 of 2935
Does anyone have any info on the new TR3 subwoofer? I am curious if it will be powerful enough for movies as well as music.
post #231 of 2935
nevermind
post #232 of 2935
The new 5LS speakers are up on the web page: http://www.roundsound.com/reference-5-ls-speakers.html
post #233 of 2935
That 5LS looks really interesting.It's so much more expensive than the ref3,though.And BIG.Why not a semi affordable speaker to bridge the gap.Maybe with 4 cdt's and 5 mids.I understand the need to push the envelope and have a flagship design,I just can't personally afford that kind of statement.I would be almost crazy interested in a souped up version of the av ref.One with say 3 cdt's and enough midbass to pull it out into the room and still reach low enough to blend with some good subs for the very bottom.
post #234 of 2935
Wow, I thought it was going to sell for around $10,000/pr and I thought that was pretty steep. Apparently that ballpark figure was each, $19k for a pair.
post #235 of 2935
I listened to the 5LS prototypes at CES and they sounded like a 10-12K of pair speakers. I really liked their sound (though I'll be the first to admit that I have a bias toward line sources) and kept looking for the powered sub that didn't exist. However, I was a bit put off when Tony thought the LS' would retail for 16K a pair. Upon reflection, 16K is not out of line as audiophile grade flagships go. Even 19K is well within the ballpark for a flagship. Too rich for my blood either way but maybe a used pair down the road...
post #236 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Patdeisa View Post

The new 5LS speakers are up on the web page: http://www.roundsound.com/reference-5-ls-speakers.html

WOW! Thanks for the link.
post #237 of 2935
Oppo 981HD DVD/CD Player
Denon DVD-3910 DVD/CD Player
Harman Kardon DVD50 CD Player
Bang & Olufsen Beogram 9000 Turntable
Bang & Olufsen MMC-1 Cartridge
Bang & Olufsen MMC-2 Cartridge
Yamaha KX-690 Tape deck
Harman Kardon Signature 2.0 Preamplifier
Harman Kardon Signature 2.1 Multichamp
Gallo Acoustics Reference 3.1 Speakers
Gallo Acoustics Due Monitors
Gallo Acoustics Reference AV
Earthquake SuperNova MKIV-10B Subwoofer
Alpha-Core Goertz MI-2 Speaker cable
Music Boy/Petra RCA audio cables Interconnect
Hitachi 51F710 Video - 51" HD RPTV
Vizio VX32L - 32" HD LCDTV

I just heard a gentle knock on the front door. Who could that be, I'm not expecting anyone? So, I poke me 'ead outside and lo and behold there is a big box sitting on the entryway. WTF? Oh, that's right, I *did* order some new speakers last week.

I quickly lift the box - uggghhh, a bit heavy that one - and drag it inside. Sure enough, it contains my new Gallo Reference AVs!! Woo-fuggin'-Hoo!

Good thing I called in sick to work, now I have something to do while I'm recovering from my "weekend flu" [smile]. Looks like the rear channel Dues will now be placed into front channel duty on the bedroom setup using the Gallo stands I scored off Audiogon last month. It pays to think ahead, eh?

BTW, if you're a Gallo fan (and who isn't, pray tell?), you should definitely scope out the NEW Dues - they are basically the upper half of the Ref 3s done in a very stylish matte-black with a chrome surround ring - VERY nice looking.

The price? Ouch! But, keep this in mind: the quality is remembered LONG after the price is forgotten. Methinks that's gonna be one HELL of a great center and rear channel speaker.

Anthony Gallo has stepped up to the plate and knocked another one clear out of the park - way to go AG!!

-RW-
post #238 of 2935
Thread Starter 
Any suggestions on a matching sub to go with two Ref 3.1's and a Ref AV center for HT (60%) and music (40%). What do you think about the Gallo range of subwoofers?
post #239 of 2935
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Originally Posted by foveus View Post

Any suggestions on a matching sub to go with two Ref 3.1's and a Ref AV center for HT (60%) and music (40%). What do you think about the Gallo range of subwoofers?

Stay away from gallo subs. I use this:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Velod...oductDetail.do
post #240 of 2935
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Originally Posted by foveus View Post

Any suggestions on a matching sub to go with two Ref 3.1's and a Ref AV center for HT (60%) and music (40%). What do you think about the Gallo range of subwoofers?

You might want to consider getting the Gallo Sub Amp instead of a separate sub. Using the sub amp to drive the 2nd voice coils on the Gallos will result in a very satisfying bottom end that is highly musical and very articulate. I have a friend with this setup and it sounds superb...

-RW-
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