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post #2521 of 2935
Saw an ad for the Gallo Strada2 in a magazine, but nothing on Gallo site about it. Anyone know whats up with that?
post #2522 of 2935
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Originally Posted by russ_777 View Post

Saw an ad for the Gallo Strada2 in a magazine, but nothing on Gallo site about it. Anyone know whats up with that?

It's the new Strada2 per our Gallo rep. It's the exact same size and looks as the regular Strada, but they changed some components inside (don't remember the specifics). The old Strada is now on sale for $800 instead of $1,000. I purchased 2 side Stradas at the new sale price, but I had to buy the all black as they don't have any more of the side black/SS. Good time to buy the old Strada at a discounted price.
post #2523 of 2935
you should be able to do better than $800 per....I got one for less than that brand new from a dealer last Spring.

I'll be curious to see what kind of marketing bs they'll roll out with it. I love Gallo speakers but cant help but roll my eyes at some of the things he comes up with to call "new technology".
post #2524 of 2935
I need your assistance to make some sense with my recent AG Stradas setup.

I used to have an all AG 5.1 system consisting of 5 x A'Diva Ti + TR-3 Sub connected to an Onkyo 608 AVR. I use the system 80% music (CDs+BD concerts) and 10% TV + 10% BD movies. The location is the family living/TV room (4m x 6m) one side open to the kitchen and WAF=0 (no possibility of room treatment and/or having floor standing speakers). Onkyo 608 Audyssey (2EQ) calibration set the A'Diva CO (cross over) values around 90-100Hz mark. Speaker SPL values are all around +/-2 dB so no speaker clipping issues there.

Three months ago I replaced my L/R/C speakers with L/R/C Stradas and kept two A'Divas as surrounds. All Stradas are wall mounted so they should benefit from boundary enforcement thus lowering CO values. I also upgraded my AVR to Onkyo 818 due to its ability to use more sophisticated Audyssey XT32 calibration system. After about 200 hours of Strada burn-in period I ran the Audyssey room correction setup and, to my surprise, the CO values hit the roof! Audyssey set Stradas L/R/C to 150 Hz and A'Divas to 90Hz. If anything I was expecting Stradas to be set around 60-80Hz mark; lower than A'Divas. According to the manual, if Stradas are wall mounted, can go as low as 45Hz. The speaker trim values are reasonable. Distances are spot on.

Is this normal? I was suspecting a faulty mic but apart from CO values all other measurements seem normal. Audyssey is NOT recommending lowering CO values from the recommended ones.

I would appreciate your views and experiences with Stradas. Am I missing something here?
post #2525 of 2935
macuniverse, I highly suggest you post your issue in the Audyssey forum. I've never been a fan of these room correction systems. It's never worked for me.

I don't know much about your receiver, but can you change the crossover points manually? If you can, change it to about 80-100hz and see which sounds better to you.
post #2526 of 2935
I agree. I have Marantz SR6003 receiver that has Audyssey. I tried maybe 2 times settings with this mic but I never liked the outcome that came out of this technical thing. Some settings were to high like for the sub and some settings were to low like for the center channels or my back surrounds. I rather used my own ears and feeling and I fine tune it slowly through time to achieve best result where I don't consider any more tuning.

best, d.
post #2527 of 2935
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Originally Posted by delfincek View Post

I agree. I have Marantz SR6003 receiver that has Audyssey. I tried maybe 2 times settings with this mic but I never liked the outcome that came out of this technical thing. Some settings were to high like for the sub and some settings were to low like for the center channels or my back surrounds. I rather used my own ears and feeling and I fine tune it slowly through time to achieve best result where I don't consider any more tuning.
best, d.

Thanks for the feedback. I posted the issue here as I wanted to see any AG Strada owners have had similar issues. Audyssey I used is the top of the range version with very high resolution filters. I will try Audyssey forum as well.
post #2528 of 2935
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Originally Posted by HowardV View Post

macuniverse, I highly suggest you post your issue in the Audyssey forum. I've never been a fan of these room correction systems. It's never worked for me.
I don't know much about your receiver, but can you change the crossover points manually? If you can, change it to about 80-100hz and see which sounds better to you.

I use a Strada for my cc and xt/32 sets the xo at 100 Hz. That was brand new out of the box....so it might be a little lower now. This is using an AVR 4311CI.

Sounds like you've got something abnormal there.
post #2529 of 2935
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Originally Posted by russ_777 View Post

I use a Strada for my cc and xt/32 sets the xo at 100 Hz. That was brand new out of the box....so it might be a little lower now. This is using an AVR 4311CI.
Sounds like you've got something abnormal there.

Yes, that's my suspicion as well. I'll give it a go for few weeks and re-do the calibration.
post #2530 of 2935
Are Stradas overkill for rear speakers in HT? Im thinking to sell them, and buy later a divas or some similar small speaker.
post #2531 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Dr.sah View Post

Are Stradas overkill for rear speakers in HT? Im thinking to sell them, and buy later a divas or some similar small speaker.

I just did the exact opposite in my own home. I just bought a pair of side Strada's with the stands for my rear speakers and took out the A'Diva Ti's. I listed my A'Diva's on Audiogon a few days ago as I don't need them anymore. I love the Strada's for rear.

I felt the need for better rear speakers due to the increasing popularity of high-resolution surround formats (Dolby Tru-HD, DTS Master Audio). And unlike most audiophiles, I enjoy multi-channel SACD and DVD-A where quality rear speakers are important. I also listen to a lot of Blu-Ray concert discs. Although if your main use is just movies, you can get away with the A'Divas.
post #2532 of 2935
Got new amps for my gallo 3.5. I bought Hypex NC400. Let's fun begin.
post #2533 of 2935
Hello

I am about a week+ into my new Gallo 3.5's I have been very happy so far. . .until today. I received my SA amp today and i hooked it up and start running low frequency test tones i noticed a rattle during a certain frequency range(34-40 hZ) from the left speaker. It sounds like its coming from the space blow the bottom speaker and above the sub. If i turn off the SA amp i dont here it

Of course its only audible when the audio is at louder volumes. I have a loft, with high cielings and short walls so i usually listen to them LOUD. Im pushing these guys pretty hard.

Anyone experience this. I assume this isnt going to go away after more break in.
post #2534 of 2935
Hi,
I had AG SA amp on trial two times and did not experienced this kind of a problem (i experienced something else and I already talked about that here). I guess one speaker needs to be changed? Also try to crosscheck the AG SA amp if the distortion is not coming from the amp itself, but I guess that is of a lower chance in this situation.

best, d.
post #2535 of 2935
Thanks for the reply. I do believe the problem lies in the speaker not the amp. I guess the best way to be sure is to swap the left and right connections and if the distortion stay in the left speaker i know its a speaker prob.

Im mildly disappointed with the SA amp. While it did add impact it didnt add as much as i like.(My room is very large). Ive bacially maxed out the SA amp and still have a -6db dip at 32-40hz Maybe i still need more breakin time. And im going to experiment with moving the speaker arounds. All around though im still very happy with the gallos. . .i just think my room is the main culprit

A question for everyone. Ill probably have to replace a speaker. Has anyone had to do this before? Is it a painful process(ie shipping the defective back etc.?)
Edited by jeffpoos - 11/20/12 at 7:52am
post #2536 of 2935
1st post smile.gif
Hi all!

I've enjoyed the 3.1s for the past 5 years as part of my HT and have recently bought a pair of Stradas for my desktop.

Now I need to get an amp to power these beauties.
My preference is towards a tube pre and SS power.
Has anyone had tried this combination and what would you recommend.
My source is the venerable Esoteric K01.
Thanks in advance.
post #2537 of 2935
Hiya,
If I can give my contribution to your question Soundaddict. I was very impressed with the combination of Modwright LS100 (tube pre) and Modwright KWA 150 SE. I listened these amps at the dealers place on the Maggies and would definetely like to hear them on Gallos. But unfortunately dealer is not borrowing this kind of the equipment for home trials frown.gif. Musical experience with Modwright was that you were sucked into the space of music where you did not think about equipment, but just experienced musical enjoyment. For some time now I'm playing with a thought of my future amp to hook my AG Reference 3.5 and in close competition is Modwirght KWI 200 integrated (SS). But need to wait for a better times at the moment. If you are from the USA you have a good chance to audition these amps and also get good price which is much better than here in Europe smile.gif.

best, d.
post #2538 of 2935
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Originally Posted by jeffpoos View Post

Thanks for the reply. I do believe the problem lies in the speaker not the amp. I guess the best way to be sure is to swap the left and right connections and if the distortion stay in the left speaker i know its a speaker prob.
Im mildly disappointed with the SA amp. While it did add impact it didnt add as much as i like.(My room is very large). Ive bacially maxed out the SA amp and still have a -6db dip at 32-40hz Maybe i still need more breakin time. And im going to experiment with moving the speaker arounds. All around though im still very happy with the gallos. . .i just think my room is the main culprit
A question for everyone. Ill probably have to replace a speaker. Has anyone had to do this before? Is it a painful process(ie shipping the defective back etc.?)

If it's not too late I'd strongly recommend going with a dedicated sub instead of the sub amp. That sub amp is never going to get the level fo performance out of the 3.5's woofer that you coudl get out of a decent sub. Plus, you won't negatively affect the mid-upper bass freqs by making them more muddy.
post #2539 of 2935
Personally, I agree that the SA amp does not take the place of a subwoofer. But I don't think that's the purpose. The SA amp gives you control over bass. The sound of the long wavelengths of low frequencies are highly affected by the environment. And in most rooms, we are limited to where we can place our speakers. Add the fact that some like their music with a bit more kick than others (may depend on the music you prefer). The SA amp can help with some of these obstacles.

Remember, in many rooms, a subwoofer may not sound best placed in front of the room. Sometimes it sounds better in the back of the room! Bass is just difficult to control - and it has to do with our rooms acoustics.

I love the SA amp. I wish more speakers had the control that I have over the bass of my AG 3.5's with the SA amp. Sure, a subwoofer can kick out more low frequences and in some instances may be a better choice. But subs can have their own problems in properly tuning them in with your regular speakers. I only use my subwoofer for movies. I prefer to turn them off for music.
post #2540 of 2935
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Originally Posted by delfincek View Post

Hiya,
If I can give my contribution to your question Soundaddict. I was very impressed with the combination of Modwright LS100 (tube pre) and Modwright KWA 150 SE. I listened these amps at the dealers place on the Maggies and would definetely like to hear them on Gallos. But unfortunately dealer is not borrowing this kind of the equipment for home trials frown.gif. Musical experience with Modwright was that you were sucked into the space of music where you did not think about equipment, but just experienced musical enjoyment. For some time now I'm playing with a thought of my future amp to hook my AG Reference 3.5 and in close competition is Modwirght KWI 200 integrated (SS). But need to wait for a better times at the moment. If you are from the USA you have a good chance to audition these amps and also get good price which is much better than here in Europe smile.gif.
best, d.
Thanks!!
post #2541 of 2935
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Originally Posted by HowardV View Post

Personally, I agree that the SA amp does not take the place of a subwoofer. But I don't think that's the purpose. The SA amp gives you control over bass. The sound of the long wavelengths of low frequencies are highly affected by the environment. And in most rooms, we are limited to where we can place our speakers. Add the fact that some like their music with a bit more kick than others (may depend on the music you prefer). The SA amp can help with some of these obstacles.
Remember, in many rooms, a subwoofer may not sound best placed in front of the room. Sometimes it sounds better in the back of the room! Bass is just difficult to control - and it has to do with our rooms acoustics.
I love the SA amp. I wish more speakers had the control that I have over the bass of my AG 3.5's with the SA amp. Sure, a subwoofer can kick out more low frequences and in some instances may be a better choice. But subs can have their own problems in properly tuning them in with your regular speakers. I only use my subwoofer for movies. I prefer to turn them off for music.

Fair enough...to each his own. I would just point out a couple other things though:

- WRT control over bass: I use Audyssey to control the bass in both the sub and the 3.5s.
- WRT location of sub: You have the same issue, even moreso, with the location of the two main speakers if you're relying on them alone for bass. Their position is driven mainly by need for proper stereo imaging, etc. You don't have the option of locating them in the back of the room. Sub(s) don't have that constraint.
post #2542 of 2935
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Originally Posted by HowardV View Post

Personally, I agree that the SA amp does not take the place of a subwoofer. But I don't think that's the purpose. The SA amp gives you control over bass. The sound of the long wavelengths of low frequencies are highly affected by the environment. And in most rooms, we are limited to where we can place our speakers. Add the fact that some like their music with a bit more kick than others (may depend on the music you prefer). The SA amp can help with some of these obstacles.
Remember, in many rooms, a subwoofer may not sound best placed in front of the room. Sometimes it sounds better in the back of the room! Bass is just difficult to control - and it has to do with our rooms acoustics.
I love the SA amp. I wish more speakers had the control that I have over the bass of my AG 3.5's with the SA amp. Sure, a subwoofer can kick out more low frequences and in some instances may be a better choice. But subs can have their own problems in properly tuning them in with your regular speakers. I only use my subwoofer for movies. I prefer to turn them off for music.


This actually was the main reason i bought the Gallos. I was replacing dynaudio 3.4. I still have a revel ulitima sub. I just purchase an anthem D2v and it allows analog direct for music. This turns off the signal to the sub and I though the dynaudios were lacking punch under 40 hz. I thought the gallo + SA would fit perfect for my problem. I always planed to cross over to the sub at 60 hz for movies. The gallos + SA amp did give me better bass and a ton more clarity than the dynaudios but i was expecting a little more from the bass department. I listen to almost exclusivity electronic on both vinyl and cd so lots of sub 40 bass there.

I didnt see any repsonses about replacing a speaker. Anyone do this before?
post #2543 of 2935
Does anyone have polar measurements of the 3.1/3.5/Strada?

I'm thinking about something with a very broad pattern for my side surrounds, and the Gallos (depending on how low the piezo tweet actually comes in) may fit the bill.

The 3.1 is especially attractive as a side-surround, if its polars are as I expect, because it also has two subs that could be used as part of a multisub system and is currently inexpensive. (I would rip out any choke or other passive crossover parts in front of the bass driver, and power it separately as part of a multisub system.) Also, I suspect the main change from 3.1 to 3.5, replacing the Peerless XLS woofer with a proprietary design, was more a cost-cutting move for Gallo than anything else. Those woofers are fairly expensive. Excellent, but expensive.
Edited by DS-21 - 11/21/12 at 5:12pm
post #2544 of 2935
DS, I've never seen one if you're referring to the waterfall type plots stereophile publishes for horizontal directivity vs freq. I can only think of one or two reviews that have been done of the 3.x's that had any published measurements. IIRC there was some sort of dust up between Gallo and stereophile about them doing a review of the original 3.0s. I would expect the tweeter to be pretty uniform in the horizontal plane in the front hemisphere with some beaming at higher freqs in the vertical plane.
post #2545 of 2935
Should I even bother going to one of the few shops that sell Gallo speakers if all I need is a TR1D sub? If I buy it direct from Gallo it has free shipping and no tax. I doubt a local retailer would beat that and they don't actually stock anything.
post #2546 of 2935
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Originally Posted by jeffpoos View Post

I didn't see any responses about replacing a speaker. Anyone do this before?
I have. A Strada carbon drive unit was making clicking sounds at lower frequencies. Not audible in most music but during patches of bass then it was. I identified it using test tone spot frequencies then a signal generator. Contacted Gallo who said they'd been very reliable but would send over to the UK a new drive unit as the speakers were still under warranty. I spoke to the UK Gallo importer and we agreed that I'd do the swap myself. I took the old drive unit out and connected it to the signal generator on the bench and identified specific frequencies that it made a clicking sound. I didn't ascertain why it's doing it. The magnet doesn't come off to view the coil and former. I've had outer edge compliances make clicking before, on other makes, where glue was spread too far and stuck to the rubber half roll near each XMax then clicked when it moved away again.

Either way, changing the drive unit is a pain in the nuisance and I began to think I should have let the Gallo outfit take the stress! But they wouldn't cover what I felt was a significant postage cost for the whole Strada from me to them, even though it's a warranty repair! And we used to design and manufacturer out own make of speakers so I didn't expect any difficulties I couldn't deal with so I got on with it. The Olefin flake in the netting, err, requires calm patience and plenty of time to get it all back in there in a right way, it mustn't be packed too tight, it must be spread out well but not interfere with the reverse movement of the drive unit cone. It seems to have a disagreeable mind of it's own and puts up a fight to ones efforts! It's messy as well, leaking flake all over the place.

Then there's the internal wiring to contend with. 1mm copper rod and they joined it in places wire to wire and wrapped a tough felt like cloth tape around it that needs to be removed and doesn't want to come off. To get one of the wires apart I needed to take the coil out and that needed more patience and the correct Allan key which I didn't have so I had to pull the wire though which is awkward with stiff 1mm wire. Being that I prefer to have minimal joints in the signal path I was a bit disappointed that there was a join in the wire that connect the two drive units in series but I can see why they did it, to facilitate easier production. They must have a 'specialist' fit all the Olefin and drive units, then someone later joins the wires, rather than fit one drive unit, solder them together, then fit the other. I also didn't like the PCB and wire layout as I'm also very averse to copper track in the signal path and there was some I thought didn't need to be there, probably there to again make construction a bit faster. The various Allan bolts are a mix of mainly imperial and maybe some metric which I did have but expected all metric. I am very extreme when it comes to joining components, it pays dividends in the extent of revealing detail and removing harshness and veiling in the sound but I've personally found that very few people are bothered by this and don't consider it a priority and are happy with a relatively blurred sound that gives them more boom and tizz or whatever. The better tonal balance is what we all want of course but I try and get both because over two decades of tinkering I found that I can; by taking the lids off of everything and reconstructing the insides at component level. I don't think anyone in this thread does this kind of thing, it's the preserve of folks over at DIY Audio. Here it's about plugging boxes to other boxes, and more recently, using some buttons to set some software. I've found there is some useful stuff about software setting and drivers and hardware for PC based audio here in AVS.

Anyway, that aside, if your speaker is clicking then perhaps take it back to the dealer, likely not that they will want to, or be able to, fix it but perhaps they can send it on to someone who can. If the Strada are tricky to work in, then I expect the 3.5 will be a lot more so.
Edited by Ian AS - 11/27/12 at 5:24am
post #2547 of 2935
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Originally Posted by MaxGeek View Post

Should I even bother going to one of the few shops that sell Gallo speakers if all I need is a TR1D sub? If I buy it direct from Gallo it has free shipping and no tax. I doubt a local retailer would beat that and they don't actually stock anything.
I don't know what the D is compared to the TR1 but TR1 come up on eBay from time to time, in the UK anyway. That's where I bought my three.

In the UK at least, the Dealer might be adding 100% to the wholesale price. I don't know how much the wholesaler adds, plus there's shipping to the wholesaler and shipping to the dealer. But the speakers manufacturing cost plus the margin Gallo head office takes out for their own costs is a small part of what you pay at the shops.

If the Strada retails at £750. The retailer pays £375. I don't know who pays shipping. Maybe the wholesaler takes £100? Shipping to the wholesaler. Vast UK import tax. Gallo HQ takes maybe £100? The speaker costs £100 to make and ship from China? Parts cost maybe £75? Shame they don't sell them as a kit of parts direct from China!
Edited by Ian AS - 11/27/12 at 5:26am
post #2548 of 2935
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Originally Posted by SOUNDADDICT View Post

Stradas for my desktop.
Now I need to get an amp to power these beauties.
My preference is towards a tube pre and SS power.
Has anyone had tried this combination and what would you recommend.
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/gallo10/strada.html I think it may have been this review. He tried valve and solid state. Concluded SS was better. Said he felt valves defeated the point of the Stradas which is their extreme speed and clarity. Valves driving them sounded soft and blurred. You may as well get soft blurred speakers instead.

Or this one: http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/gallo10/sidebar.html Good photos of the Stradas insides here.
post #2549 of 2935
The D is the newer model it has a D class amp and 200 watts (TR-1D). The TR-1 has an A/B amp and 100 watts. They do pop up on ebay every now and then, but right now only the TR3 is available and at $700 and it wouldn't have an official warranty.

In my limited experience with my local dealer a few years ago, they were willing to cut me a deal if I bought a full 5 speaker set, but wouldn't do much if it was just a pair. I'm not sure they would do much for just a sub, but who knows. The dealer experience here is pretty lame since they don't actually carry anything in stock and have a pretty limited and old display models. There is also only one authorized AGA dealer in the Seattle area.
post #2550 of 2935
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Has a D class amp and 200 watts (TR-1D).
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