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post #2881 of 2935
I just want to clarify that in my case I had the tube amplifier bandwidth limited to 80 hz on up, I was very satisfied with the sound but this is not a standard application for the Ref 3.5. I was also surprised at the amount of energy still being put out by the 10 inch woofer 80 hz on up, even though the crossover is supposed to be at 80hz. this is the main reason I went with the Ref 3.5 vs the Strada. i didn't want any sort of dip in the 80-120 hz range. it was a much more expensive investment. I bought my Ref 3.5 for $2,800 and just recently picked up a pair of Stradas for $450.00 so I spent a lot for a good stand and mid bass energy but I am still very happy with my Ref 3.5. The HK 990 does a good job of driving them as well.
post #2882 of 2935
I'm still rocking my old Stradas but I want to get another sub to complement my old TR-3. Will there be any mismatch issues if I get the new TR-3D to pair with the TR-3?
post #2883 of 2935
I have been running the Strada 2 for one month on the extruded floor stands, with an old TR3 subwoofer - not the "D" version. After the long, long, long break in period (where you think several times that you took the wrong decision), the sound settled nicely in the treble region, but I was not able to properly integrate it with the subwoofer. It sounded thin and weightless - and if I rose the crossover point on the subwoofer, then it sounded slow, congested and muddy. This was in the small Oslo apartment, driven from a Devialet 170 - so no problem in principle on the amp side.

In another apartment, now in France, I am running Gallo Solos with a Musical Fidelity amp - the sound runs circles around the Stradas. In this small apartment the Solos worked much better than the Gallo Reference II, that overloaded the room with its bass and were finally sold. It was so far my most satisfying set-up.

As I had used several Mapleshade products in the past with good success, in particular with their double helix speaker cable, I bought the Mapleshade Strada stands. As I am alone in the Oslo apartment (commuting weekly), I could position them in the floor, mid room, 5 feet from me and 7 apart, as Mapleshade proposed. No WAF issues to take into account.

The change in sound has been nothing short of spectacular - clearly bigger change than the amplifier change to Devialet. The effects were:

- Clearer highs, giving a much better image focus than before.
- Deeper soundstage, (as well as wider image, but this due to the extreme positioning. No hole in the middle effect!)
- Warmth and deeper bass. In most cases, the subwoofer is not required. Now crossing it over at 8h00 in the crossover pot, and 11 on the volume pot. Sounds integrate, but as I say, for late piano and acoustic music I don't switch it on.
- Soundstage is at ear level - whereas the stands put it unrealistically high.
- A more realistic view on the soundstage, since you don't see the speakers to "trump your eyes".

If you're considering adding another subwoofer, and you have a room to do the above positioning, please consider instead the Mapleshade stands. Now it clearly improves upon my beloved Solos - a lot.
post #2884 of 2935
I have always wondered about the Mapleshade stands. I view my Ref 3.5 as a somewhat expensive stand for Stradas with some reinforcement in the 80-120 range since I cross them over at 80hz to a pair of VMPS subs.
post #2885 of 2935
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Originally Posted by simon wagstaff2 View Post

I have always wondered about the Mapleshade stands. I view my Ref 3.5 as a somewhat expensive stand for Stradas with some reinforcement in the 80-120 range since I cross them over at 80hz to a pair of VMPS subs.

My understanding is that you need to address Strada's 80-120Hz range dip somehow. I use 3 Stradas with SVS SB12 sub and Onkyo 818 AVR. Onkyo Audyssey XT32 crosses the Stradas at 150Hz. when they are on stands. I guess this is due to SVS's better (flat) response within that freq range. On the wall XO is reduced to 120Hz (but then the SQ is compromised).

My sub is located between L/R and just below centre Strada. With this placement I don't get the sub localisation issue. Actually the overall integration is very satisfying.
post #2886 of 2935
Got my CL-C the other day, I don't like it at all. My receiver even crossed it over at 150 hz, wtf? The worst bass of any center I've ever had. The tweeter sounds decent at high volume but still not that great. frown.gif
post #2887 of 2935
I take care of the dip by using Ref 3.5.

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post #2888 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

Got my CL-C the other day, I don't like it at all. My receiver even crossed it over at 150 hz, wtf? The worst bass of any center I've ever had. The tweeter sounds decent at high volume but still not that great. frown.gif

I have to say my CL-4's didn't sound that great either when I first received them. I broke them in with ~100 hrs of continuous music and they definitely sounded much better. The Gallo's are one of the few speakers I've had which definitely need a good break-in period.
post #2889 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

Got my CL-C the other day, I don't like it at all. My receiver even crossed it over at 150 hz, wtf? The worst bass of any center I've ever had. The tweeter sounds decent at high volume but still not that great. frown.gif

For highs I get the same feeling. You need to crank up the volume (75dB+) to get decent, balanced highs. They are not designed for low volume listening. Also, as Trekker already pointed out, you need to break them in long enough to improve the sound. Took me three months actually.
post #2890 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

Got my CL-C the other day, I don't like it at all. My receiver even crossed it over at 150 hz, wtf? The worst bass of any center I've ever had. The tweeter sounds decent at high volume but still not that great. frown.gif


I had a couple hundred hours of break in as well on my CL-4. I also prefer the sound with the + and - switched at the amp. It really improved the bass!
post #2891 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Ian AS View Post

Do yo have the hardware and software to measure an anechoic and then an in room response graph? That's perhaps what it'll take to get it just right.

Well I finally got around to measuring the (in-room but near-field) response of the Strada 2. The measurement used a calibrated Earthworks microphone located 20cm on-axis straight in front of the tweeter. I was expecting a more or less flat response down to about 150Hz with roll-off thereafter. Instead, the entire frequency response curve is tilted with SPL increasing with increasing frequency over the entire 100 to 20,000Hz range. This sees a 200Hz about 20dB below 20,000Hz.. I'm assuming that this is an error - potentially an artefact related to the microphone set-up - so I'll re-measure over the next few days. Has anyone else measured the Strada 2 speaker performance?

Cheers
Zydeco67
post #2892 of 2935
Page 4, scroll down a bit for some graphs:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/bookshelf-speakers/bookshelf-speakers/anthony-gallo-acoustics-reference-strada-loudspeaker-and-tr3-subwoofer/page-4-the-gallo-acoustics-strada-loudspeakers-and-tr-3-subwoofer-in-use.html

I don't really know why he says ±3dB when the graphs appears to show ±10 dB or so.
Edited by Ian AS - 2/1/14 at 10:00am
post #2893 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

Got my CL-C the other day, I don't like it at all. My receiver even crossed it over at 150 hz, wtf? The worst bass of any center I've ever had. The tweeter sounds decent at high volume but still not that great. frown.gif

Hey Slickman - how's the CL-C? Is it sounding better?
post #2894 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Kpt_Krunch View Post

Hey Slickman - how's the CL-C? Is it sounding better?

It's on it's way back to them now, I didn't really like it at all. Now I have the Ultra center and I like it very much it sounds crystal clear. My AVR which crossed over the CL-C at 150 hz crossed over the Ultra center at 40 hz! I put it as 80 hz anyway but still that's the lowest cross over I've ever seen for any center that I've had.
post #2895 of 2935
Input on driving the Strada 2 with Pass Labs Aleph P and a set of Aleph 2 mono's.? The Aleph 2,s are the 100watt class A behemoths that came out around 1993 (i think). The reason I am asking is what might you think of this configuration. I am currently driving the AG's with Wyred4Sound mPRE and mAMP (d class advertised at approx 250watts).

The Pass Labs are approximately 400 klms away from me, and thus I would be packing up the Strada's to take to test out and thus was hoping someone might chip in with some suggestions on what I might see/hear as a difference.

Jim
post #2896 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

It's on it's way back to them now, I didn't really like it at all. Now I have the Ultra center and I like it very much it sounds crystal clear. My AVR which crossed over the CL-C at 150 hz crossed over the Ultra center at 40 hz! I put it as 80 hz anyway but still that's the lowest cross over I've ever seen for any center that I've had.

Can't help wondering if that CL-C was broken somehow. It has the exact same drivers as my CL-3 ... how could anything with two 5.25" woofers not go below 150 hz? (My CL-3 covers below 40hz with ease.)
post #2897 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

It's on it's way back to them now, I didn't really like it at all. Now I have the Ultra center and I like it very much it sounds crystal clear. My AVR which crossed over the CL-C at 150 hz crossed over the Ultra center at 40 hz! I put it as 80 hz anyway but still that's the lowest cross over I've ever seen for any center that I've had.

Happy to here you got something you liked. That's the only thing that matters. Pardon my ignorance but what's 'the Ultra' is that a Gallo product or another product?
post #2898 of 2935
SVS Ultra Center
post #2899 of 2935
Ah got ya. I have the sub - SVS PB13 Ultra - the one with the BASH amp (it's around 6 years old now and still going strong). Had the fuse go in it but otherwise no issues - great sub. Never heard their speaker line but from what I've read they're keepers.
post #2900 of 2935
Please ignore the above request on your thoughts on "Input on driving the Strada 2 with Pass Labs Aleph P and a set of Aleph 2 mono's.". After reviewing the Emotiva product line, I believe I've found my new holy grail (now where is that penny jar).

Please don't take from this ongoing search, that the Wyred4Sound mPre coupled to the mAMP's driving the Strada's is anything but amazing.

Jim
post #2901 of 2935
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Originally Posted by PenThis View Post

Please ignore the above request on your thoughts on "Input on driving the Strada 2 with Pass Labs Aleph P and a set of Aleph 2 mono's.". After reviewing the Emotiva product line, I believe I've found my new holy grail (now where is that penny jar).

Please don't take from this ongoing search, that the Wyred4Sound mPre coupled to the mAMP's driving the Strada's is anything but amazing.

Jim

So Jim - curious as it sounds like you already have a lot of power driving the Stradas. Why do you feel you need more, or is it just the 'upgraditis' bug that you have lol.
post #2902 of 2935
Well it started with looking for a replacement pre-amp to feed a couple of active Focal Twin6Be's that the Strada's replaced. I happened upon a Pass Labs Aleph P with accompanying Aleph 2 mono's and in doing homework on these Nelson Pass designs I became enthralled with the product(s). There is a lot of history out there about the Pass Labs and specifically the Aleph P and Aleph 2's. The reason for asking how the Strada 2's might respond to the Pass Labs was based on taking them with me (I'm becoming familiar and enthusiastically comfortable with what they portray with the Wyred4Sound) to audition the hardware. If they sound as good with the Pass Labs equipment, I would buy the the hardware (using the Preamp for the Focal's until I replaced them with larger passive speakers and be able to incorporate the Aleph 2 amps). That was the reason for my initial inquiry. Since then, I've become very interested in pursuing a good look at Emotiva products.

I would like to add, the Strada's with Wyred4Sounds mPre and mAMP are very very good and I am quite pleased that I've been fortunate to put this system together in short order. This combo has become my office playback system for which I spend all to much time in. They are being used predominately as near fields placed about 2 meters apart. The server plays WAV and DSD/DFF through JRiver 19 and into the mPRE at 24bit/194 via USB.

The living room system will be predominately playing vinyl and networked digital. The office is just digital.

Jim
post #2903 of 2935
Sounds like a real sweet setup Jim. I personally have a two channel listening room (spare bedroom I converted) and two 'ht' systems (bonus and living room). I too spend too much time in my office though, and if I put something like you have in here I'd never leave lol.
post #2904 of 2935

Has anyone tried using the Gallo Classico CL-S 10 or CL-S 12 Subwoofers with the Ref 3.5's?  If so, what settings and placement did you decide on and what has been the result?  I was considering adding a pair of the CL-S 12's to my 3.5's.

post #2905 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Kodak805 View Post

Has anyone tried using the Gallo Classico CL-S 10 or CL-S 12 Subwoofers with the Ref 3.5's?  If so, what settings and placement did you decide on and what has been the result?  I was considering adding a pair of the CL-S 12's to my 3.5's.

I am curious about the Classico subs as well.
post #2906 of 2935
How are you going to cross them over, or are you? I have a pair of vmps smallers subs, one in each corner. They arecrossed over at 80 h and I high pass the gallos using the crossover in my hk 990. Depending on the size of your room i might consider the gallo sub amp, they are somethings around used fora good price.
post #2907 of 2935

I tried the resistor tweak which caused high frequency distortion, especially with massed strings.  I considered the SA amp and researched it thoroughly online.  It was introduced to enhance the bass of the earlier Ref 3.1, like the resistor tweak, and not the Ref 3.5.  My fear is it also unfavorably affects frequencies beyond the desired bass enhancement.  It might help but the questionable and/or minimal result is not worth the extra effort and expense to me.   It is another component of a primitive PA design with a noisy fan and relatively low output not commensurate with the overall quality of my Rowland mono blocks.  it is also of limited market value so it would be an investment risk very difficult to resell.  I could order it on trial but I do not like returning things.

 

The Classico subs are a more recently developed technology and use the same drivers as the Ref 3.5's in a TL design using high power Class D amps.  I would use them to augment the Ref 3.5 bass but not replace it.  Therefore, I would use the line out configuration from my Wadia DAC. This would hopefully provide a little more detail and slightly deeper bass for greater impact with minimal tweaking and one less set of cables.  I listen primarily to classical CD's in a music sourced system exclusively.

post #2908 of 2935
O.k, no active eq or external crossover. I wasn't referring to the resistor tweak. I think the amp works with all the ref series. Best of luck to you.
post #2909 of 2935
Hiya, I have Anthony Gallo Reference 3.5 and tried resistor tweak. Had it for some time but when I unplug it I did not heard any substantial difference so I removed it. I also tried AG SA amp. It provides very good support in the fundaments, but I was faced with a bit different problems which I described already some time ago in this thread. You can read more about this here and here.

I tried it two times, but the amp was the same so I can also blame this particular amp that I had some minor distortion in the highs and mids. With distortion i mean that I loose dimensionality and fluidity that was much better when AG SA amp was not in the system. But anyway I also had one personal discussion with a member from this forum here who still has AG SA amp connected with AG Ref.3.5 and he didn't identified any degradation in sound. So it could also be that this particular SA unit brought something into the speakers reducing its true performance. Later I choose 2x REL B2 subs to reinforce the bottom octave with great result. They are keepers.

best, d.
post #2910 of 2935

Hello Delfincek!  Thank you for your response and advice.  Your earlier posts on this site were among many elsewhere and some reviews which led me to reconsider the use of the SA amplifier.  Also, the negative mid and high frequency aberrations caused by the resistor tweak had me rethink the use of the Sub In terminals of the Ref 3.5.  The REL line is highly praised.  However, I had previous experience with TL designs when I owned PMC loudspeakers.  The bass quality and depth is very impressive in a smaller footprint than other approaches.  Because Gallo chose this implementation for the Classico CL-S series and since the drivers are identical to what is already in the Ref 3.5, I feel these subwoofers would best meet my needs.  I wanted some feedback from anyone who had already tried the Classico subwoofers with the Ref 3.5.

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