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post #2701 of 2733
Is Channel 47 operating on reduced power? I've been getting a significantly weaker signal since the storm yesterday with a lot of pixelation and dropouts.
post #2702 of 2733
No, not at reduced power at this time.....did your antenna get blown out of whack?
post #2703 of 2733
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Originally Posted by rcamburn View Post

No, not at reduced power at this time.....did your antenna get blown out of whack?

The other channels I get from this antenna in your direction (namely 53 and 10) are fine, so I don't think the problem is at this end. I'll turn my larger antenna around and see what I get. Can also check with a neighbor. Thanks for the reply.
post #2704 of 2733
No problem. You can also try rescanning the channels.....
post #2705 of 2733
WHTV is running spots saying work on their transmitter may cause signal outages up to 8 hours on June 7 and again June 10.
post #2706 of 2733
Is anybody else experiencing signal problems with DirecTV's HD channels today? Fox Sports Detroit fuzzed up on me for a brief period (2-3 minutes) during today's travesty of a Tiger game. Now it's fuzzing up while watching the weather on WILX. The problem looks more like interference than weak signal. I'm not getting the macroblocking that is a hallmark of a weak signal. This is more like snow with horizontal lines.
post #2707 of 2733
WHTV went full power from the Chelsea site a couple of weeks ago. I can see them, can you?
post #2708 of 2733
I did notice recently that I was getting a signal here in Charlotte, where previously there had been nothing. However, when I actually tried to watch it, it was pixellating, freezing, etc. I plan to attempt to watch more often to see if it improves - I have a small UHF antenna pointed in that direction - used to get very good reception of Channel 31 when they were on the Chelsea tower. Maybe WHTV is not as powerful, even with the upgrade.
post #2709 of 2733
They'll be off tonight for a few hours, to clean up some loose ends, try re-scanning for them tomorrow and see if the dropouts go away.
I can get them clean in Rives, and even in Moscow.
post #2710 of 2733
They'll be off tonight for a few hours, to clean up some loose ends, try re-scanning for them tomorrow and see if the dropouts go away.
I can get them clean in Rives, and even in Moscow.
post #2711 of 2733
I should have mentioned in post #2708 that the "small UHF antenna" (click here for details - no, I didn't pay that much) is a rooftop model and not indoor. Too busy last night to check reception - will do so tonight and report back.
post #2712 of 2733
Haven't used that model, but the CS-1 and CS-2 are very good performers, and not very big.
post #2713 of 2733
The DB2 and C2 are almost identical in performance, the C1 slightly less so.

The C2V s usually a better choice since it includes the VHF element needed for better performance on the several high-VHF stations.
post #2714 of 2733
Thanks for the antenna suggestions - I'll look into it if nothing else works. I checked WHTV again last night and still found the severe pixellation and freezing mentioned before. I'll try rotating my main antenna around to that direction and see what I get. I try to avoid moving the main antenna unless absolutely necessary due to the possibility of forgetting to move it back for the next recording, but a short test is not a problem.

The only VHF channel in that direction is Channel 10 and I get a very strong signal with the current antenna. Channel 6 and 23 are farther north and put strong enough signals in here to get them on the main antenna even though it's pointed in the opposite direction, although depending on weather conditions they can be flakey, so I then take the plunge and rotate the antenna around.
post #2715 of 2733
WILX is located southeast of you if you are in Charlotte, right along with 47 & 53.
6, 18, and 23 are located northeast of you, you shouldn't have to turn your antenna very much at all?
Perhaps just point it due east?
You certainly should not need a "big" antenna to pull your locals.
post #2716 of 2733
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Originally Posted by HD74 View Post

WILX is located southeast of you if you are in Charlotte, right along with 47 & 53.
6, 18, and 23 are located northeast of you, you shouldn't have to turn your antenna very much at all?
Perhaps just point it due east?
You certainly should not need a "big" antenna to pull your locals.

The antenna I mentioned in post #2711 is pointed to the southeast and I get excellent reception on 10, 47, and 53. However, WHTV on the Chelsea tower is farther away and I get lower signal strength and quality, resulting in pixellation and freezing. However, I had good reception from WPXD when they were on the Chelsea tower, not sure how their radiated power compared to WHTV. Another factor is the large water tower 2 blocks away to the southeast, directly in line with my antenna. However, 10, 47, and 53 are not affected by the tower, at least not enough to be a problem. Still haven't tried the main antenna, will do so and report back.
post #2717 of 2733
Check our antennaweb.org or tvfool.com for tower locations, and antenna size recommendations.
post #2718 of 2733
Congrats on the new .3 Mike.
McHales Navy is a favorite.
(10.3)
post #2719 of 2733
UPDATE: Larry passed away Monday morning December 16th.


Larry Estlack, (Larry Allen) is in the final stages of cancer.

If you don't know of him, you are still enjoying some of his legacy. Larry was the Chief Engineer at WSYM and then WLAJ during their construction and operation. His radio engineering credits are legendary. He's the Director of Engineering at the Michigan Association of Broadcasters where he helped persons and stations. As the State Chair for the Emergency Alert System he has continually fought to make the implementation as good as it could be in Michigan and Nationally.

Just a very small piece of his accomplishments.

A facebook group has been set up for Larry at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/221633444683284/
If the link does not work you can go to: Friends of Larry Allen Estlack with the Facebook search window.

You are encouraged to join and leave memories for him there.

They are being read to him.
Edited by garybliev - 12/18/13 at 12:29pm
post #2720 of 2733
I live in a high rise apt. building. About two years ago I asked If they would consider upgrading the master antenna system. They have one but it was long since disconnected and no longer in use. Well, they finally decided to go for it. I am so happy with the results, I am getting 39 channels. I have great reception. I tried an indoor antenna about a year ago. It was ok for a few stations but couldn't get NBC no matter what I tried, so this is much better. I have no idea what it cost them to do this, but I'm sure it's not cheap. The Antenna Men are doing the upgrade and will finishing up this week. Time to cut the cord from Comcast. I'm so glad to lower that bill.smile.gif I only had basic TV anyway so I didn't lose anything.
post #2721 of 2733
WKAR AM RADIO

Just a note to let you know that WKAR-AM will have to be off the air Wednesday 2/12 - Friday 2/14 for crew safety as the transmission line for co-located WDBM-FM has to be replaced. We apologize for the inconvenience and invite you to listen to WKAR-AM on our web-stream at WKAR.org or on WKAR-TV 23.2 (World) audio #2.

WKAR-TV transmits secondary audio on all three of our program services.

23.1 (WKARHD) has descriptive narration (when available)
23.2 (World) has WKAR-AM
23.3 (Create) has WKAR-FM

Tuning between the primary and secondary audio channels can usually be preformed on your remote control. Look for a button labeled: LANG, Audio, DVI, DVS, or SAP on your remote control While viewing the channel press that button once or twice to change between the primary and secondary audio channels.

The secondary audio may be available on your cable system. You may need to contact your cable or satellite provider for technical support
post #2722 of 2733
Ahh, WDBM. Always enjoyed that station when I was in E. Lansing working, introduced me to a lot of great artists and music over the years. Before the !@#!@$ christian station went on the air in Flint on the same freq. I could get WDBM all the way to Saginaw. The Flint station is supposed to be very low power but it comes blasting in all over Shiawasee County. Had intended to contact the FCC once or twice but got sidetracked. Still tune in occasionally when I'm in Lansing, but Pandora gets most of my listening when I'm on the road.
post #2723 of 2733
WDBM went back to full power this afternoon. WKAR-AM tomorrow (Friday 2/14) after the last of the old WDBM transmission line is removed

Friday update: The remainder of the transmission line has come down. WKAR-AM restored to full power at 8:47AM
Edited by garybliev - 2/14/14 at 12:50pm
post #2724 of 2733
When I lived in the Holly area, I'd regularly tune in WKAR via the HDTV, tune to 23.3 then hit the SAP to hear WKAR-FM in pristine digital quality. I could get a static free FM signal there, but the SAP audio was pretty breathtaking. I commend them for offering the service! Moving to Royal Oak, I really miss the service - the web stream isn't nearly as good. However, I can get a pretty good FM signal even here if I aim the antenna right.
post #2725 of 2733
What does it take to get DirecTV to add new subchannels to their channel guide? I use the AM-21 receiver to watch & record OTA subchannels through my DirecTV box but they still have not added 6.2 (no big loss really with LWN on there) and 10.3.
post #2726 of 2733
Since no-one else has put in their two pennies..... DirecTV and Dish have relatively limited bandwidth via satellite, they each have made business decisions to limit the amount of "sub-channels" from the over-the-air broadcasters. With very few exceptions, only one stream per broadcaster is carried, and that stream become the "primary" stream for that station. In the Lansing market this means that Create, World, LiveWell, ancient TV1, ancient TV2, CW, and Weather are not available via Satellite*

While some receivers did include ATSC (digital television) tuners,and these tuners would need to be connected to their own antenna, DirecTV (Dish too?) chose to only provide guide information for the channels that they distribute via satellite, and ignore those that are over-the-air only Not all receivers have ATSC tuners, and of those, not all are hooked up to an antenna. Remember too, that the satellite providers have to pay for the program data, from TVGuide (Rovi), Tribune Media Services, or equivalent.

There are a variety of on-line program guides, I like Titantv.com Which, interfaces with my Hauppauge ATSC/USB reviver and I can schedule records right from the web.
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*well, unless things have changed since I cancelled my Dish subscription.
post #2727 of 2733
Quote:
Originally Posted by garybliev View Post

Since no-one else has put in their two pennies..... DirecTV and Dish have relatively limited bandwidth via satellite, they each have made business decisions to limit the amount of "sub-channels" from the over-the-air broadcasters. With very few exceptions, only one stream per broadcaster is carried, and that stream become the "primary" stream for that station. In the Lansing market this means that Create, World, LiveWell, ancient TV1, ancient TV2, CW, and Weather are not available via Satellite*

While some receivers did include ATSC (digital television) tuners,and these tuners would need to be connected to their own antenna, DirecTV (Dish too?) chose to only provide guide information for the channels that they distribute via satellite, and ignore those that are over-the-air only Not all receivers have ATSC tuners, and of those, not all are hooked up to an antenna. Remember too, that the satellite providers have to pay for the program data, from TVGuide (Rovi), Tribune Media Services, or equivalent.

There are a variety of on-line program guides, I like Titantv.com Which, interfaces with my Hauppauge ATSC/USB reviver and I can schedule records right from the web.
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*well, unless things have changed since I cancelled my Dish subscription.

Most of this is right except it should be noted that Directv and Dish BOTH have add-on tuners that you can connect to your receiver to incorporate subchannels and out-of-market locals received OTA into your guide. The programs on these channels are treated just like you had them on satellite. Most of the OTA channels have accurate guide data, too. The Directv system is missing some channels, though, usually those added in the past few years. There is a work-around for the missing channels, too. This work-around also works for LP stations which usually aren't in the guide database, either. With Directv, I have access to FAR MORE locals than I would with cable, with their add-on tuner. I am only missing 2 channel OTA that I get with my TV's tuner. Those channels are the QVC and HSN on the -5 and -6 of the ION group. Since QVC is HD on Directv and HSN is there, too, I think it's fair to say I have ALL my locals.

The workaround is simple: Get the database from DBSTalk. Find another market with the same PSIP as the missing channel you have. Someone posted that y'all are missing LWN on 6-2. Find another market with a 6-2 in that database. You will force the AM21 to think you're receiving this signal by using it as a secondary zip in your AM21 menues. Re-run the initial set up several times, inputting zip codes in this order: Your list of OTA channels will NOT delete after each run so you can add to it:

1. Real home zip as primary, if you receive another market OTA, input that zip as secondary.
2. Real zip, 3rd market (if you have one) or a forced zip.
3. Repeat step 2 as many times as you'd like.

With some research and luck, you might find another market with LWN on 6-2 so that your guide will be right (except the call letters, obviously!) Otherwise, just use another station with anything on 6-2 and it will at least allow you to tune to and record your missing subchannels, even if the guide is wrong.

Is this ideal? Absolutely not! But it's better than nothing. And anything is better than cable!

Disclaimer: you might have to do this entire process after each reset of the receiver, like after a power outage, RBR, or software update. Sometimes it remembers all the zips, other times it doesn't!
Edited by ejb1980 - 3/14/14 at 3:29pm
post #2728 of 2733
Thanks, ejb. I'd never heard of that workaround.

ejb1980 is correct, Gary. The DirecTV AM-21 is a plug-in box that allows me to watch OTA channels through the DirecTV satellite receiver. I can watch all the local subchannels with that hookup except for 6.2 and 10.3 because they are not in the DirecTV channel guide. I watch 23.2 and 23.3 through my Direct receiver and can record them as though they were channels off a Direct bird.
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post #2730 of 2733
From the March 21 USA Today article about the LIN Media-Media General merger: "It's the latest evidence of the consolidation of the local TV industry as broadcasters collect more stations to deflect fallout from shrinking audience and advertising revenues. TV station owners are increasingly relying on re-transmission revenue – the fee cable and satellite operators pay TV stations for the right to air their signal – to make up for sluggish sales." Seems to me that the local outlets are slitting their own throats slowly by showing hours worth of informercials few people watch but the stations gets paid to show, thus driving away viewers in the long run.
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