Originally Posted by garybliev
Since no-one else has put in their two pennies..... DirecTV and Dish have relatively limited bandwidth via satellite, they each have made business decisions to limit the amount of "sub-channels" from the over-the-air broadcasters. With very few exceptions, only one stream per broadcaster is carried, and that stream become the "primary" stream for that station. In the Lansing market this means that Create, World, LiveWell, ancient TV1, ancient TV2, CW, and Weather are not available via Satellite*
While some receivers did include ATSC (digital television) tuners,and these tuners would need to be connected to their own antenna, DirecTV (Dish too?) chose to only provide guide information for the channels that they distribute via satellite, and ignore those that are over-the-air only Not all receivers have ATSC tuners, and of those, not all are hooked up to an antenna. Remember too, that the satellite providers have to pay for the program data, from TVGuide (Rovi), Tribune Media Services, or equivalent.
There are a variety of on-line program guides, I like Titantv.com Which, interfaces with my Hauppauge ATSC/USB reviver and I can schedule records right from the web.
*well, unless things have changed since I cancelled my Dish subscription.
Most of this is right except it should be noted that Directv and Dish BOTH have add-on tuners that you can connect to your receiver to incorporate subchannels and out-of-market locals received OTA into your guide. The programs on these channels are treated just like you had them on satellite. Most of the OTA channels have accurate guide data, too. The Directv system is missing some channels, though, usually those added in the past few years. There is a work-around for the missing channels, too. This work-around also works for LP stations which usually aren't in the guide database, either. With Directv, I have access to FAR MORE locals than I would with cable, with their add-on tuner. I am only missing 2 channel OTA that I get with my TV's tuner. Those channels are the QVC and HSN on the -5 and -6 of the ION group. Since QVC is HD on Directv and HSN is there, too, I think it's fair to say I have ALL my locals.
The workaround is simple: Get the database from DBSTalk. Find another market with the same PSIP as the missing channel you have. Someone posted that y'all are missing LWN on 6-2. Find another market with a 6-2 in that database. You will force the AM21 to think you're receiving this signal by using it as a secondary zip in your AM21 menues. Re-run the initial set up several times, inputting zip codes in this order: Your list of OTA channels will NOT delete after each run so you can add to it:
1. Real home zip as primary, if you receive another market OTA, input that zip as secondary.
2. Real zip, 3rd market (if you have one) or a forced zip.
3. Repeat step 2 as many times as you'd like.
With some research and luck, you might find another market with LWN on 6-2 so that your guide will be right (except the call letters, obviously!) Otherwise, just use another station with anything on 6-2 and it will at least allow you to tune to and record your missing subchannels, even if the guide is wrong.
Is this ideal? Absolutely not! But it's better than nothing. And anything is better than cable!
Disclaimer: you might have to do this entire process after each reset of the receiver, like after a power outage, RBR, or software update. Sometimes it remembers all the zips, other times it doesn't!Edited by ejb1980 - 3/14/14 at 3:29pm