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post #121 of 19496
12/15/03 at 7:00pm
Hitachi shows 26-1 with black screen - doesn't even remap.

Chris

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post #122 of 19496
12/15/03 at 7:23pm
811 has 11-1, but it is now 14:9 stretched.

With that said, the quality is very nice
post #123 of 19496
12/15/03 at 9:40pm
I also am not getting WB 11; on my 6000 shows 75-82% strength, but no audio/video. It's been down at least a few days.

I tried deleting the entry, and rescanning, but I now don't have any wb 11 digital available to select.

If they are splitting on two channels, with guide info on one, and a/v on another, it sounds like they have some issues with the feed they are sending. I bet wracer might have some ideas

I'm surprised they aren't more in tune with "avsforum folks complaining' since THEY hosted the first HD meeting in St.Louis, and Greg(?) mentioned they sometimes have a problem with mappings, and it's only apparent if they change their channel and try to switch back..

Oh well, sometimes I forget we are still in the bleeding edge of this technology. I can see it now, sitting down with my grandkids saying "Back when I was your daddy's age, there WAS no HD"
post #124 of 19496
12/15/03 at 10:12pm
I also get blank for WB11 now on my MyHD MDP-100. I guess I did not notice since I do not watch any of their programs.
post #125 of 19496
12/15/03 at 10:36pm
Quote:


Originally posted by BudShark
By scaler you are probably referring to how SD channels look?

Yes. Thanks to you (as well as Phoenician and zvogt) for follow on comments. Now if I could just find someone who has switched from the DTC-100 to the 811.
post #126 of 19496
12/16/03 at 10:13am
Just so we can start building a catalog of STB's that aren't receving any A/V on 11-1, I am using an E86 and I get the black screen. Nothing is mapping in the scan to 75-1 either.

Caer
post #127 of 19496
12/16/03 at 11:07am
We recently made some changes with our PSIP data that enabled us to provide active program guide. We also added a virtual channel for ease of locating the WB programming via an HD receiver nationally. The virtual channel (75-1) is active through PSIP only, it is NOT a separate stream.

While these changes have many advantages they also come with some disadvantages. On select receivers a "hard reboot" may be required. The manufacturers describe a hard reboot as deleting the channel, powering down the receiver for a couple of minutes, re-powering and scanning. This should resolve most conflicts with consumer receivers. If you continue to have difficulties receiving WB11 please let us know. Please include the STB make and model information as well as signal strength.

I hope this helps.
post #128 of 19496
12/16/03 at 11:34am
Thanks guys... I'll try that on my Hitachi tonight... It was a brand new TV as of last week, so unless you've made further changes I don't think it will work (since it never saw the channel before).

Chris
post #129 of 19496
12/16/03 at 12:34pm
I have the 6000 receiver and deleted 11-1 and unplugged the unit for several minutes, but still unable to lock in 26-1. I am getting an 85%+ signal, but the signal bar remains in the red and says not locked. Other digital channels will turn green and say locked. Any other ideas?

John
post #130 of 19496
12/16/03 at 12:43pm
Guys, FYI an 811 software update (v2.62) is rolling out.

I have upgraded to the new rev of software, and it has improved the OTA reception to the point that I can now get a viewable signal on UPN (WRBU) which was previously unviewable.

THere are threads at a couple of the larger satellite dedicated forums to check out at your convenience.

Cheers,
post #131 of 19496
12/16/03 at 3:35pm
Thanks STL eng.

Followed your instructions and I am now able to see KPLR once again.

Using MYHD100

Ron
post #132 of 19496
12/16/03 at 4:43pm
No problems getting 11.1 on my Sony HD100, though instead of the 4 by 3 on SD material it seems to be 16 by 9 zoom?

And my program guide still shows nothing but "digital TV programming" 24/7.
post #133 of 19496
12/16/03 at 5:50pm
I now have WB-11 Digital, Ch26, back on my 6000 like normal. I didn't do anything further here. Guess KPLR made some adjustments.

John
post #134 of 19496
12/16/03 at 7:34pm
John - I agree that they made some changes. It reappeared on my Hitachi with no changes. All my receivers are working now.

Oh - for those of you on the fence about the 811 - BUY IT (or get it free if you are a new subscriber). If the update that came down today is any indication, Dish is committed to fixing issues quickly - and correctly.

While not complete with all 'features' the aspect ratio fix is quite nice. In fact the switch between aspect ratios is near instantaneous. I am getting very good reception on all of my OTA channels - and channel changes are quite fast.

Chris
post #135 of 19496
12/17/03 at 4:55am
Thread Starter 
KPLR-DT also reappeared on my DTC-100, but with the wrinkle that it now shows up as both 26-2 and 26-3. As noted earlier, my box has PSIP turned off. Both 26-2 and 26-3 look identical.

Maybe the second channel is in some way related to virtual channel 75-1.
post #136 of 19496
12/17/03 at 6:14am
I was finally able to check WB-11 Digital last night. I don't have any problems with 11.1 on my Sony HD-200. My programming guide did did list the show w/ the "HD" highlighted. Sorry, I don't remember the show, I checked during a commercial break during 24.
post #137 of 19496
12/17/03 at 6:21am
Yup, did nothing ot my receiver, its working now. Now if KMOV would broadcast at full power again, I'd be set


Quote:


Originally posted by BudShark
John - I agree that they made some changes. It reappeared on my Hitachi with no changes. All my receivers are working now.

Oh - for those of you on the fence about the 811 - BUY IT (or get it free if you are a new subscriber). If the update that came down today is any indication, Dish is committed to fixing issues quickly - and correctly.

While not complete with all 'features' the aspect ratio fix is quite nice. In fact the switch between aspect ratios is near instantaneous. I am getting very good reception on all of my OTA channels - and channel changes are quite fast.

Chris
post #138 of 19496
12/17/03 at 7:49am
I'm still not happy with my 811.
The aspect ratio fix does appear to be up to snuff,
and the couple severe problems I was having with OTA signals
seem to have been corrected, but now there are new OTA issues,
and the channel guide still appears to be adding/deleting local
channels at random.
post #139 of 19496
12/17/03 at 8:47am
Hello,

I live in the Central West End in St. Louis. I have had DirecTV and HDTV via a dish and a UHF antenna set up on the roof of my 3 story condo building for over a year now, and I was quite happy with it. However, over the past 6 months, a new 5 story apartment building has started going up directly south of me in the path of the dish and antenna, and it is disrupting my reception. I get way more DirecTV dropouts, and I don't pick up over the air HDTV signals via the UHF antenna at all!

This is quite upsetting, especially when I consider how much money I have poured into my DirecTV system (big screen HDTV, HDTV receiver, DirecTivo receiver, satellite dish, UHF antenna). The whole reason I switched to DirecTV from digital cable was that my building has terrible cable wiring, and I can't get a good cable picture. I had to get DirecTV.

My question is... what options or rights do I have in terms of confronting the company that is constructing the new building? I may have to get re-wired with better cable for digital cable (expensive), or go without over the air HDTV for as long as I live in my building (disappointing). Do I just have to live with it?
post #140 of 19496
12/17/03 at 9:06am
Wow. Bummer.
I would think if you were under a contract with one of those services
you'd have some grounds for getting out of that contract.
But as far as getting HD signals in the future, I think you're probably up the creek.
post #141 of 19496
12/17/03 at 10:51am
Zac,

Sorry to hear that you're still having 811 problems.
John, how's yours doing?
(I think I may be waiting for the 921.)
post #142 of 19496
12/17/03 at 11:27am
The good news about the 811 is it's a software problem,
which is easily corrected, and will be corrected by DISH in time.
Unlike the unrelated hardware problems I'm having with my LCoS,
which are largely unfixable.
post #143 of 19496
12/18/03 at 7:07pm
KPLR DT will broadcast the TOURNAMENT OF ROSES PARADE 2004.
The program will be live on January 1, 2004 10:00A-12:30P.

This program will not be televised on KPLR TV (analog).
post #144 of 19496
12/18/03 at 9:28pm
Hey guys - I have a question about charter's pricing.

I was under the impression that when Charter does start charging for the HDTV stuff (from January) that it would only be the price of the HDTV channels. I got that idea because I remember reading that Charter's original (non hd) receiver was about $9 and this new one is about $10 and so I would only have to pay the difference there + the hdnet channels. I called Charter the other day and found out that Charter would start charging me $14 additional starting from January since the price for 1 original (non hd) receiver was free but this hd receiver is not.

Do you guys have any details on that?

Thanks.

-- CodeZion
post #145 of 19496
12/18/03 at 10:04pm
Quote:


Originally posted by zvogt
The good news about the 811 is it's a software problem,
which is easily corrected, and will be corrected by DISH in time.
Unlike the unrelated hardware problems I'm having with my LCoS,
which are largely unfixable.

There are still lots of issues with the 811 software. In addition to skipping local OTA channels especially channel 4 and remapping it to 56 and the recall button does not work when in local OTA, I'm having issues with Dolby Digital using Toslink Optical output.

zvogt or John K: Can you confirm this issue? If your 811 is set to Dolby Digital or Dolby Digital/PCM, do you get sound on the Dish HD channels or Local OTA channels? Sound appears to work on normal SD channels but not for HD or local OTA. This is only when using optical toslink output connecting to an AV receiver. In my case, I'm using HK AVR-330.
post #146 of 19496
12/19/03 at 4:58am
Thread Starter 
CodeZion,

I'm not a Charter sub, but recalling from things I've read here, the monthly rental of the HD STB is actually $9, compared with $6 for the SD digital STB. I believe that the HD programming package was supposed to cost either $4 or $5 monthly.

In your case, it sounds like you were getting your SD digital box for free and that Charter isn't building that $6 "discount" into your HD billing.

In any event, I'd suggest that you should call customer service and refuse to pay any HD charges until Charter adds all of the local HD channels and that it matches DISH/DirecTV's non-local HD offerings. Leaving HBO-HD and Showtime-HD aside (as you're already paying for that programming anyway), $14 a month for HDNet, HDNet Movies, KSDK-DT and KTVI-DT is a spectacularly bad value.
post #147 of 19496
12/19/03 at 5:32am
John and Phoenician:

I'm not having nearly the troubles that others are having. Right now I have two issues:

1) Squeal, which sounds like a sampled NTSC raster being passed digitally when viewing the Guide or the Setup Menu.

2) A tendency to drop KMOV-DT from the guide. It's a PITA but knowing the workaround (ADD DTV manually) works fine.

I get audio from Sat, Analog and Digital OTA, which leads me to believe it's a lock issue specific with the receivers chipset and the 811. I'm set to DD/PCM.

My only connection is via DVI, and this works correctly, other than seeing the vertical blanking info at the top of the screen on NTSC upsampled on digital OTA stations

I don't really watch analog OTA, but on occasion I'm bumped there accidentally when KMOV gets deleted.

Zack,

Good luck getting your set repaired!

Cheers,
post #148 of 19496
12/19/03 at 6:56am
I too have Charter's HD service and I am just waiting for them to slap all the HD charges on me in January. When they do, they'll be receiving a phone call from me. I will NOT be paying for a service that is incomplete.

From what I have seen, HDNet & HDNet Movies is a charge itself of $4 or so. Then there is the charge for box itself. After that, the "hd programming" charge of whatever amount WILL NOT be paid by me for only 2 channels - Fox and NBC, especially since Fox isnt actually HD.

I know Charter is improving, but this fiasco may have me running back to Dishnet as fast as I can....

Any DISHNET retailers want to get me setup for a cheap price???
post #149 of 19496
12/19/03 at 7:07am
WOW! The Dish local contrator called before 7:30am this morning to inform me they didn't have an 811 they could bring out and install today. Needless to say, the late notice made me a little perturbed. I had taken the day off for this. I decided if I had to wait, then this would be a good time to check out other options. I wasn't going to order their HD channels and instead use the OTA in the mean time. If you were going to advise someone starting completely fresh, what would you guys recommend?

I'm still going out to Skywalker Communications and pick up my UHF antenna today. Craig at Skywalker said he would make an RG-6 cable for me to connect. I asked if there was a limit length for the cable and he said no. That doesn't sound quite right. I'm going from a two-story attice to the basement and then back up to the TV in the family room. The house has a cable conduit from the attic but naturally it's on the other side of the house from my family room which would probably add another 45? feet to the length. Is there a limit I should watch out for?

Thanks for the help.
post #150 of 19496
12/19/03 at 7:32am
Thread Starter 
An interesting article in today Wall Street Journal on Rupert Murdoch's plans for DirecTV:

http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1..._whats_news_us

I think this article is available to non-subscribers, but if not, here's a quick summary of what's in the works:

* Roll out of a new generation of "heavily subsidized" advanced set-top boxes. Not clear if these would be from traditional DirecTV providers or from the sources used by BskyB and other News Corp. satellite services internationally (NDS Group) ;

* More interactive features, such as being able to vote directly for American Idol contestants (yawn) and picking your own camera angles for NFL Sunday Ticket games (hey, don't make me choose between chips and beer);

* A lowball pricing strategy is expected in order to stem defections (20% per year) and drive subscriber numbers. On the other hand, the focus is to provide lots of value-added pay services that will ultimately drive billing-per-subscriber;

* By 2006, it expects to install at least 1 million "fully integrated digital video recorders" annually. Currently DTV is claiming 750,000 DVRs installed. (My opinion only, but I expect this development to further delay HD TiVo, but I really hope that I'm wrong);

* Murdoch believes that DirecTV has the potential to grow from its current base of 12 million subscribers currently to 20 million by the end of this decade;

* Investment of at least $1 billion to expand satellite bandwidth to carry more local channels, facilitate interactive services and allow for HD programming (BTW, the only reference to HD in the article); and

* Article notes that one of the keys to News Corp.'s success in other markets has been its ability to lock up key sports programming, such as the Premiership soccer league games in the UK, and that it will be more difficult to replicate that success in the US market.
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