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post #121 of 504
Hi Trent,

Could you please give me an update on the issue I mentioned in my previous posts concerning the problem with the component to DVI converter producing a jagged picture.

FYI, I have attached alternative component sources and all seem to demonstrate the same problem.

Thanks

Jonathan
post #122 of 504
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Originally Posted by cj43 View Post

I have a Xantech 789-44 connection block laying around. It looks pretty similar to the CB60. I'll have to give it a try and see if I can get any IR commands to pass thru the xantech connection block when I split the IR out. This would be neat to have a "global" zone that I could run thru the xantech connection block. I'll remember not to plug a power adapter into the xantech connection block. Unfortunately, I won't be able to try this till Friday when I get home from a business trip but I'll let you know how it goes.

thanks,
Chris

I tried the splitter and attaching one end to the xantech 789-44 and that didn't work. I also tried splitting the IR out and putting a stereo to mono adapter on the end I wanted to connect an emitter to and that didn't work either. Iam not sure what else to try. I was thinking about trying a Channel Vision IR-1200 on one end to see if that will be able to pass the IR out. Boy, they are sure making it difficult on me to create a global zone. Hopefully someone has done this before and is willing to share how to accomplish this.
post #123 of 504
Does anyone use the AVAtrix with a Harmony remote? I have an 880 which I am trying to get setup. All of these 'activities' on the remote is a bit confusing.
post #124 of 504
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SmackDaddy View Post

I have a Nuvo concerto system and I guess I'm confused as to how this would really be helpful. It appears you would have to utilize all 6 audio inputs on the Nuvo in order to use the 1172? I certainly wouldn't want to use all 6 sources on the Nuvo....

I'm not sure what you mean - do you mean that you want to have a few inputs on the NuVo available for other sources? If so, you'll just have to leave some sources feeding through the AVAtrix only, or use one of NuVo's larger configurations with more inputs.

The purpose of the 1172 is to allow you to input audio into the AVAtrix for distribution to the room, as well as hooking into a whole house audio system simultaneously.
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What I currently do if I want sound out of the whole house audio is I have the L/R out from the local source into the Nuvo. Works well enough, even though I can't control the local output from another room but I usually use the TV speakers in those rooms I don't have surround.

Update on the "green flashes" that I had mentioned a few months back. They seem to have disappeared altogether. I have no idea if it was the AA product, the local receivers or what, but it seems to be working fine now.

Glad to hear the green flash problem is gone. I haven't heard reports of that symptom from anyone else, so I honestly doubt it was the AVAtrix, but at least they're gone now!
post #125 of 504
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Originally Posted by RxMan1 View Post

Does anyone use the AVAtrix with a Harmony remote? I have an 880 which I am trying to get setup. All of these 'activities' on the remote is a bit confusing.

RxMan1, I have a Harmony 670 that I did the intial setup for the AVAtrix on. I was surprised to find that Harmony had the IR codes available for the AVAtrix -- I figured I was going to have to learn them from the AVAtrix remote.

I am embarrased to admit, but I haven't actually got my AVAtrix up in production yet. I have it hooked up to one source near my office computer that I have just used for testing. I was able to get the Harmony 670 to send the basic controls to the AVAtrix. My wife is going to be out of town for about a week starting this weekend, so I hope to find the time to get the AVAtrix setup in my AV closet and hook it up to all it's sources and wall plates so I can test all my theories about how my IR setup is supposed to work.

What type of problems are you having with your 880? I am by no means an expert on the Harmony's, but if I can, I will be glad to try to help out.

Murray
post #126 of 504
I have the codes for the AVAtrix in the remote and I have the AVAtrix listed as a device. What I have to do now is select it as a device and then hit the number 1,2,3,4 etc for which source I want. What I would like to do is have an activity that is "watch dvd". When I hit that activity it then sends the #3 button press automatically to the avatrix to switch the source and then has my dvd player commands available. The difference is, right now I select the AVAtrix, change the source, then select the dvd player. Basically, I don't know how to do an advanced marco on this remote.
post #127 of 504
I got it figured out. It was wanting to use the letters, but I got the inputs assigned to the numbers now. All is good.
post #128 of 504
Trent:

I am a relatively new and happy user of the Avatrix. We spoke about 6 weeks ago as I was installing. I still need your help to get a Media center PC routed thru the Avatrix. You suggested calling you but I was not able to get you.

As a follow up question, I am wanting to control local AV equipment in one of the wall plate rooms, as well as the remote AV equipment via the Avatrix. So this is really an IR and remote control question: All the main sources are in the home theater connected via the Avatrix, in the room at the wallplate I have the TV, and in a closet i have a receiver to drive the audio in the room, as well as a local CD/DVD player. I would like to use a universal remote. The "by the book" method would be to put in a Xantech IR receiver connected to the wall plate, AND another one of the same to a connecting block with flashers to drive the hidden local DVD and Receiver.

My question: Could I do this with one IR receiver using mini-stereo Y cable, and if so, what about the 12V power? As an alternative, if I bought a Harmony 890, and set its RF receiver in the closet to drive the local components, could I take one of its mini-stereo jacks meant for a flasher and drive the IR input into the wallplate of the Avatrix. It seems a waste to take the remote signal from RF, convert in the harmony receiver to IR then convert the IR back to your wall plate
post #129 of 504
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Originally Posted by cj43 View Post

I tried the splitter and attaching one end to the xantech 789-44 and that didn't work. I also tried splitting the IR out and putting a stereo to mono adapter on the end I wanted to connect an emitter to and that didn't work either. Iam not sure what else to try. I was thinking about trying a Channel Vision IR-1200 on one end to see if that will be able to pass the IR out. Boy, they are sure making it difficult on me to create a global zone. Hopefully someone has done this before and is willing to share how to accomplish this.

Ok, I think I know kind of why this won't work now. In order to connect a Xantech connection block to the back of 1156/1666, you need a 3.5m mono patch cable. The 1108 IR router uses a 3.5m stereo patch cable. A short seems to occur when you split the output and plug a stereo in one end and a mono in the other.
post #130 of 504
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jposborne View Post

Hi Trent,

Could you please give me an update on the issue I mentioned in my previous posts concerning the problem with the component to DVI converter producing a jagged picture.

FYI, I have attached alternative component sources and all seem to demonstrate the same problem.

Thanks

Jonathan

Jonathan,

We haven't been able to get any real explanation from our supplier of the transcoding board other than "it might be broken." So it might be defective, and we'll need to replace the board.

Please give Service a call at 800/322-8346 and we'll get working on the solution for you.

Trent
post #131 of 504
Thread Starter 
Hi Dave,
Quote:


As a follow up question, I am wanting to control local AV equipment in one of the wall plate rooms, as well as the remote AV equipment via the Avatrix. So this is really an IR and remote control question: All the main sources are in the home theater connected via the Avatrix, in the room at the wallplate I have the TV, and in a closet i have a receiver to drive the audio in the room, as well as a local CD/DVD player. I would like to use a universal remote. The "by the book" method would be to put in a Xantech IR receiver connected to the wall plate, AND another one of the same to a connecting block with flashers to drive the hidden local DVD and Receiver.

My question: Could I do this with one IR receiver using mini-stereo Y cable, and if so, what about the 12V power?

The problem I forsee here is that using a splitter like that typically halves the signal level and power delivered. However, I would recommend contacting the company that makes the IR products you anticipate using to ask this question, as there could be variances among brands as to how well this works.

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As an alternative, if I bought a Harmony 890, and set its RF receiver in the closet to drive the local components, could I take one of its mini-stereo jacks meant for a flasher and drive the IR input into the wallplate of the Avatrix. It seems a waste to take the remote signal from RF, convert in the harmony receiver to IR then convert the IR back to your wall plate

That should work fine. What you describe is used fairly regularly to obtain the benefits of an RF system while remaining compatible with an IR infrastructure.

Trent
post #132 of 504
Does anyone have any user feedback or programmer feedback using Rs232 control instead of IR? I have this going in for my client in roughly about 1 month-2months and can't stand the feeling of going in blind. Typically, we have used much more expensive solutions for this type of product (amx/extron etc) and i'm a bit worried as to the "bulletproofness" of the programming on this device
post #133 of 504
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Originally Posted by the rick View Post

Does anyone have any user feedback or programmer feedback using Rs232 control instead of IR? I have this going in for my client in roughly about 1 month-2months and can't stand the feeling of going in blind. Typically, we have used much more expensive solutions for this type of product (amx/extron etc) and i'm a bit worried as to the "bulletproofness" of the programming on this device

Take a look at this post . I am using MainLobby to control my AVAtrix and in my testing, it is working 100% giving me control and two-way feedback. Post #40 in the link above, mentions being able to do this with CQC also. I am not sure what type of automation software you are using, but I would guess that anything that has RS-232 control would work well.

Good luck!
Murray
post #134 of 504
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Originally Posted by MurrayW View Post

Take a look at this post . I am using MainLobby to control my AVAtrix and in my testing, it is working 100% giving me control and two-way feedback. Post #40 in the link above, mentions being able to do this with CQC also. I am not sure what type of automation software you are using, but I would guess that anything that has RS-232 control would work well.

Good luck!
Murray

that is good feedback, thanks for the reply
I am going to be using a URC MSC400 to control this thing via RS232 so it should work good

thanks again
post #135 of 504
Any chance for an AVAtrix powerbuy in the near future?
post #136 of 504
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by videocam View Post

Any chance for an AVAtrix powerbuy in the near future?

Based on our pricing policies and agreements with dealers, I would not anticipate a powerbuy any time soon.
post #137 of 504
Trent,
Can you tell me what the difference is in the 1170 and the 1176? They appear to do the same thing but the 1170 is less expensive. The AVAtrix manual states both of these units can be stacked. My setup will most likely involve purchasing one of these expansion units.
Thanks,
Cam
post #138 of 504
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Originally Posted by videocam View Post

Trent,
Can you tell me what the difference is in the 1170 and the 1176? They appear to do the same thing but the 1170 is less expensive. The AVAtrix manual states both of these units can be stacked. My setup will most likely involve purchasing one of these expansion units.
Thanks,
Cam

This should be the difference.

1170 - All wallplates play the same source as the main output on the 1156/1166.
1176 - Each wallplate can select a different source than the main output.

The 1176 turns a 1156/1166 into a matrix switch.
post #139 of 504
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cj43 View Post

This should be the difference.

1170 - All wallplates play the same source as the main output on the 1156/1166.
1176 - Each wallplate can select a different source than the main output.

The 1176 turns a 1156/1166 into a matrix switch.

Correct. It's very rare for anyone to use an 1170 with the AVAtrix - it's more intended for expanding the AVM-71, our 1-in, 6-out Cat-5 system.
post #140 of 504
Thread Starter 
Hi Everybody,

I want to let you know that the 1172 Audio Interface has been released, and is now shipping.

The 1172 allows the easy interfacing of a third-party whole-house audio system with the AVAtrix. I've attached product information, for those of you who are interested.

Trent

 

1172brochure.pdf 151.38671875k . file
post #141 of 504
it was originally intended for July release right?
post #142 of 504
^ +1

I'm holding out for the single gang wall plate but time is ticking so I might have to find another solution instead of an AA one
post #143 of 504
Thread Starter 
Hello everyone,

Unfortunately we have experienced a delay in terms of the 9879 product. A board layout change was specified by Engineering after evaluating the sample items we got in. While this means a better product, it also means a manufacturing change and therefore a delay.

There is not a current revised release date on the 9879 single-gang product, but I will advise you of when that date becomes clear.

Trent
post #144 of 504
Thanks for the update Trent
post #145 of 504
I am very interested in using the Avatrix product. Several questions:

1. Is there a bandwidth issue with regards to 1080p signals through cat 5e?
2. With Blu-Ray, a high spectrum color can be encoded and delivered on disc - will the Avatrix be able to handle that? Granted this is more of an HDMI 1.3a spec.
3. What about supporting new TV's with 120Hz frame rates?

Thanks!
post #146 of 504
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by temp1234 View Post

I am very interested in using the Avatrix product. Several questions:

1. Is there a bandwidth issue with regards to 1080p signals through cat 5e?
2. With Blu-Ray, a high spectrum color can be encoded and delivered on disc - will the Avatrix be able to handle that? Granted this is more of an HDMI 1.3a spec.
3. What about supporting new TV's with 120Hz frame rates?

Thanks!

Hello,

1) No, the AVAtrix and the specified cabling have sufficient bandwidth to handle up to 1080p resolutions at 60 Hz refresh rates, and potentially beyond.

2) Both Blu-ray and HD DVD content is limited to 8-bit color at this time. While color bit depth would have an effect on the bandwidth required to transport a signal without degradation, this is currently a non-issue, and and answer couldn't really be formulated based on the currently available data.

3) 120 Hz support is a display-specific feature, and only affects how content is processed and displayed, not how it is delivered. The AVAtrix is fully compatible with 120 Hz HDTVs, since those televisions are expecting 24 Hz and 60 Hz content, which will then be multiplied in the display to the 120 Hz rate.
post #147 of 504
Trent,

I've done a lot lot net research and the AVAtrix stacks up very well against the competition, but my biggest issue is that whilst I can add more output zones (I need 11-12), I really need more inputs. I presume there's no way to add more right now? Can you run 2x AVAtrix (thought this means 2 lots of wall plates)?

I'm tempted by the Sony cav-cvs12es when it arrives since it's got tonnes of inputs and outputs, but no audio which is annoying and means I need an audio solution. None of the audio solutions do seem to do both pre-out and amplified to the same zone (which is what I'd like). I'm thinking in-wall amps would solve this.

I'm in Australia and fortunately it looks like some resellers of AVAtrix ship to Australia.

Thanks

Byron
post #148 of 504
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by byronlobo View Post

Trent,

I've done a lot lot net research and the AVAtrix stacks up very well against the competition, but my biggest issue is that whilst I can add more output zones (I need 11-12), I really need more inputs. I presume there's no way to add more right now? Can you run 2x AVAtrix (thought this means 2 lots of wall plates)?

I'm tempted by the Sony cav-cvs12es when it arrives since it's got tonnes of inputs and outputs, but no audio which is annoying and means I need an audio solution. None of the audio solutions do seem to do both pre-out and amplified to the same zone (which is what I'd like). I'm thinking in-wall amps would solve this.

I'm in Australia and fortunately it looks like some resellers of AVAtrix ship to Australia.

Thanks

Byron

Thanks Byron.

There is not currently a way to increase the inputs available on the AVAtrix. That would take a hardware change, and there are no plans for such a change.

I've seen the Sony piece, and I had the same objection to it you did - no audio. You have to buy their amp to go with it.

You could use our 1172 with someone else's whole house audio system. That would give you speaker-level output into the room, and would still deliver signal-level signal to the wallplate.

You can use two AVAtrix systems in your house, but they would have to be totally independent systems. They wouldn't have any control over one another.

Trent
post #149 of 504
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Originally Posted by Audio Authority View Post

Thanks Byron.

You could use our 1172 with someone else's whole house audio system. That would give you speaker-level output into the room, and would still deliver signal-level signal to the wallplate.

Trent

Thanks Trent, I was heading down the path of using something like the 1172. The Avatrix could provide me 12 zones of pre-amp level audio/video and using something like the 1172 with an amp means I could also send some zones as audio only to speakers in the room. This would solve the input limitation.

All I need now is to move to the new house and get approval from the boss.

Thanks

Byron
post #150 of 504
Hi i have just installed my first avatrix system for a customer.

I need to order 4 ir xantech receivers, you mention the 291 series but as all the plasma's and lcd's will be wall mounted i would like a more discrete install.

can i hide the 291's behind the tv's or should i use the 480 or 490 series and will i be able to hide these behind the tv's.

also the price of xantech products in the uk are expensive, can you recommend a usa supplier that will ship.

cheers simon
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