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Mitsubishi WD-65831 vs. Sony KDS-R60XBR2

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I am currently in the market for a new HDTV and have narrowed my choices down to the Mitsubishi WD-65831 and the Sony KDS-R60XBR2. I have searched the web for reviews on these 2 tvs and have not found many. I then stumbled onto this website and decided to ask my questions here of people who own either of these sets.

1. Does the Mitsubishi WD-65831 use wobulation?
2. Does the Sony KDS-R60XBR2 suffer from the "green blob"?
3. What are the pros and cons for each tv? (from people who own them preferably)

-Thx
post #2 of 21
first don't listen to what C NET says about these tv's .
second i had both tv's in my living room and ended up buying the XBR2.
mine has been calibrated by UMR and the picture looks UNBILIEVABLE
yes the Mitsubishi WD-65831 uses wobulation
no the Sony KDS-R60XBR2 does not suffer from the "green blob"
the mits is a very good tv but the XBR2 is better
post #3 of 21
There have been many owners with the green blob so why take the chance? I am very happy with my 65732 I got for 2400 and frankly a 65 looks WAY bigger than a 60 so if you are at 8ft or more back then the choice is obvious
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by OBSSSD View Post

There have been many owners with the green blob so why take the chance? I am very happy with my 65732 I got for 2400 and frankly a 65 looks WAY bigger than a 60 so if you are at 8ft or more back then the choice is obvious


u don't know what you're talking about.
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thx for the info domingos1965. I hate to say this, but now that I've started to really read this forum, I have added the Samsung HL-S6188W to my list of potential new HDTVs. It seems that the Samsung has a really great upside once calibrated properly.
post #6 of 21
I chose between the Mits and SXRD also. I was leaning toward the Mitsu as I've had good luck with their CRT's but my wife notices the RBE on DLPs so I went with the SXRD - which I have been very happy with so far. I think the picture difference is a wash, it is different but is a personal decision only as they both have pluses and minuses. I had the opportunity to evaluate them side by side.

If you have room for 65 inches and like the picture of both, don't you realize bigger is ALWAYS better? (only slightly tongue in cheek)
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by domingos1965 View Post

u don't know what you're talking about.

No, actually 152 out of 405 people who took this poll don't know what they are talking about:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=636342

You can PM them all and tell them that they don't have a clue

Sony has got serious problems with a BUNCH of their new LCD's and SXRD's and everyone knows it. My dad spent $3500 on a Sony XBR2 46" LCD that has major clouds in the backlighting. Guess what? 67% of hundreds of people on this forum have the same problem with theirs. Sony has admitted it, but said they aren't doing anything about it. What a suprise....

How anyone would take a chance on buying a Sony when there are literally over 100 threads with "green blob" or "green haze" in this forum alone is absolutely mind boggling to me. Mitsubishi just builds the best big screen tv's that there are over 50", and they have been doing so longer than anyone else around.

Get what you want logan but in addition to this as stated a 65" is WAY bigger than a 60", not to mention the clear and obvious other reasons.
post #8 of 21
Im Buying The Samsung Hls5687 Any Imput.
post #9 of 21
Mits, Samsung, Sony -- they are all excellent, and it just comes down to personal preference.
post #10 of 21
Thread Starter 
No real definitive input other than that Im considering buying the HL-S6188W and was wondering whats the difference between the 87s and the 88s.
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by logan77 View Post

No real definitive input other than that Im considering buying the HL-S6188W and was wondering whats the difference between the 87s and the 88s.

Not 100% but I think features like PIP and cablecard. It should have the same major components. Possibly some silver on the front VS all black?
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by OBSSSD View Post

No, actually 152 out of 405 people who took this poll don't know what they are talking about:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=636342

You can PM them all and tell them that they don't have a clue

Sony has got serious problems with a BUNCH of their new LCD's and SXRD's and everyone knows it. My dad spent $3500 on a Sony XBR2 46" LCD that has major clouds in the backlighting. Guess what? 67% of hundreds of people on this forum have the same problem with theirs. Sony has admitted it, but said they aren't doing anything about it. What a suprise....

How anyone would take a chance on buying a Sony when there are literally over 100 threads with "green blob" or "green haze" in this forum alone is absolutely mind boggling to me. Mitsubishi just builds the best big screen tv's that there are over 50", and they have been doing so longer than anyone else around.

Get what you want logan but in addition to this as stated a 65" is WAY bigger than a 60", not to mention the clear and obvious other reasons.

The 65831 is a very good TV, but your point about Mits is not completely accurate. Last years models were not very good as they were not correctly doing 1080P.

Sony does have the "possibility" of the green blob and some people might get affected by it, but the Mits "definitely" has the rainbow effect and some people might get affected by it.

Mitsubishi was bashed last year by the reviewers for their DLP's and to their credit they improved them. Sony had major issues last year with the green blob and "so far" to their credit they have improved the XBR2. I still have not seen a legimate case of the green blob on an XBR2(psycho bashers excluded).

Both of these TV's once calibrated will be VERY good. Someone should choose one of these based on: 1) Which styling they prefer 2) What their greatest fear is: A) rainbow effect or B) color uniformity issues.
post #13 of 21
The 6188 also adds two 1394(firewire) ports, along with RS232C, and yes it is all black. http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/dlptv/index.asp
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by pwiss View Post

The 65831 is a very good TV, but your point about Mits is not completely accurate. Last years models were not very good as they were not correctly doing 1080P.

Sony does have the "possibility" of the green blob and some people might get affected by it, but the Mits "definitely" has the rainbow effect and some people might get affected by it.

Mitsubishi was bashed last year by the reviewers for their DLP's and to their credit they improved them. Sony had major issues last year with the green blob and "so far" to their credit they have improved the XBR2. I still have not seen a legimate case of the green blob on an XBR2(psycho bashers excluded).

Both of these TV's once calibrated will be VERY good. Someone should choose one of these based on: 1) Which styling they prefer 2) What their greatest fear is: A) rainbow effect or B) color uniformity issues.

RBE affects such a small percentage of people that the risk of color uniformity is clearly much more significant with the Sony given how many people have experienced it. Also, we aren't talking about last year's models here so that shouldn't play into the decision. I agree these are all great tv's but I stand by the fact that a 65" is much nicer than a 60". The thin bezel on the Mits is sweetness
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by OBSSSD View Post

RBE affects such a small percentage of people that the risk of color uniformity is clearly much more significant with the Sony given how many people have experienced it. Also, we aren't talking about last year's models here so that shouldn't play into the decision. I agree these are all great tv's but I stand by the fact that a 65" is much nicer than a 60". The thin bezel on the Mits is sweetness

The person who started the 831 thread returned his due to RBE and now has a 60" XBR2 and loves it. I returned my Samsung HLS5687 due to RBE and have the 60"XBR2 and love it. So I don't know about "clearly much more significant" as no one has had the green blob on the XBR2.

The only reason I brought up last years models was in response to your statement "Mitsubishi just builds the best big screens out there over 50", and have been doing so longer than anyone else around.

I agree about the bezel on the Mits. Great looking TV.

Another TV that should be brought into the discussion for those not affected bt RBE is the 67" Sammy that Costco has with stand. That TV has the best size per dollar value especially if you can get the $500 off deal they just had. The Sammy once calibrated has the most accurate colors of any of these TV's.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by OBSSSD View Post

No, actually 152 out of 405 people who took this poll don't know what they are talking about:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=636342

You can PM them all and tell them that they don't have a clue

Sony has got serious problems with a BUNCH of their new LCD's and SXRD's and everyone knows it. My dad spent $3500 on a Sony XBR2 46" LCD that has major clouds in the backlighting. Guess what? 67% of hundreds of people on this forum have the same problem with theirs. Sony has admitted it, but said they aren't doing anything about it. What a suprise....

How anyone would take a chance on buying a Sony when there are literally over 100 threads with "green blob" or "green haze" in this forum alone is absolutely mind boggling to me. Mitsubishi just builds the best big screen tv's that there are over 50", and they have been doing so longer than anyone else around.

Get what you want logan but in addition to this as stated a 65" is WAY bigger than a 60", not to mention the clear and obvious other reasons.

The poll you are referring to is for the XBR1. It appears Sony has fixed the problem and I havent seen an actual case of "green blob" in the XBR2's that didnt turn out to be some other problem (like set-up, and just pain blind panic).
That doesnt mean that NONE of them will develop the problem. But it hasnt come up yet in the XBR2 users thread. All of these TV's have issues of some kind. Just buy what looks best to you and chill out
post #17 of 21
I exchanged the HLS6187 for the XBR2. I was willing to chance the green blob because the HLS had poor PQ compared to the XBR2. The 1080p Samsungs all have a lot of video noise with less than perfect (as in 1080P) input. Also read all of the many other problems they are having before criticizing the Sony blob.

All of the Mits looked dull (no brilliance) as compared to other brands, so they were not considered. The Mits PQ reminds me of the old CRTs.

That is my opinion. Anyone considering a purchase should try to find a small dealer and not a chain store to observe the best set up. Buy what you like and forget what the rest of us like.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by HTMAN21 View Post

Also read all of the many other problems they are having before criticizing the Sony blob.

Exactly!
post #19 of 21
Thread Starter 
I know there are other threads on this but ill ask it here anyway. Without getting one of these nice tvs professionally calibrated and just using a dvd, say like DVE or Avia, which tv will have the best PQ?
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by pwiss View Post

The person who started the 831 thread returned his due to RBE and now has a 60" XBR2 and loves it. I returned my Samsung HLS5687 due to RBE and have the 60"XBR2 and love it. So I don't know about "clearly much more significant" as no one has had the green blob on the XBR2.

The only reason I brought up last years models was in response to your statement "Mitsubishi just builds the best big screens out there over 50", and have been doing so longer than anyone else around.

I agree about the bezel on the Mits. Great looking TV.

Another TV that should be brought into the discussion for those not affected bt RBE is the 67" Sammy that Costco has with stand. That TV has the best size per dollar value especially if you can get the $500 off deal they just had. The Sammy once calibrated has the most accurate colors of any of these TV's.

I've seen the big Sammy at our local CostCo which looks nice. Guess that you have read about my issues with my A2000. However I must say that every time that I visit our local BB/Magnolia that I am most impressed by their 70" XBR-2 on display which appears to have the best PQ of any set in that store except for the new 50" Mits 1080P Plasma hooked up to the Pioneer BluRay player. You sure get a lot more for your money with the XBR-2 though.
post #21 of 21
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