So when do you guys think a G90 stack is going to be beat? - Page 2

You should keep in mind that the High Power isn't acoustically transparent. I'm not that concerned about that and it works very well for me, but I know it is an issue for some others.

--Darin

I do require a transparent screen. Hmmm....

Art requires a transparent as well.

Thanks!

Yea ,I have seven big black boxes to hide and with the CIH even more important. Jeff, you could just set those B-Deeps right out in the room no problem.

Art

hi
very interesting and true. CRT only has around 70-200:1 ansi while able to reach 50,000:1 on off. i just wonder in real life what is the perceived ansi contrast when you just look at a street in daylight ? for instance.

3DLP however has a lot of work to do give massive on off contrast or native contrast, especially as brigthness rises. So far it seems the SHARP Z20000 1DLP sets a record in ansi contrast also, around 800:1

i think we'll see this this year:
- a big JVC 4K with brigthness and high (not as high) native contrast like the HD1
- Sony's reply
No real news inthe 3DLP front though Panasonic new 2K 3DLP $75K is a beast with wonderful colorimetry. seen it at the ISE in February.

the DW10000
it would make sense however "only" with a scope screen for instance, from 4 to 7meters wide.

Oh c'mon, that's easy. The CRT is Mary-Ann. Not as attractive as Ginger (the digital) but has aged really well, and turned into not only a MILF but by now probably a GILF as well.

Ginger didn't age well, lost her brightness shortly after she was turned on and now is a WIWTFBNA

(woman I wanted to **** but not any more.)

Good point and the reason IMO that ANSI isn't close to the importance of on off. With an exchange for a modicum of shadow detail a nice 9" CRT goes into the hundreds of thousands to one. With gamma control the amount of lost shadow detail may even be much further mitigated.

It was very very obvious in my theater on Monday that 20,000:1 on off from the RS1 wasn't close to what I have with my G90s.

Who is making the processor to make that 4K unit worth anything since there is no 4K content ?

Art

hi Art
unless we're talking of laser pjs as Olson reminds us, we wont see G90 on off CR
on any future current technologies pjs imho. especially with light canons.
but a giant image with say 10000:1 on off and or 1000:1 ansi would be truely impressive, say on a 5-6meters scope screen

What's a MILF?

The Zorro 2015HC from SEOS is capable of 500000:1 in on/off but then you are back to crt level brightness. SEOS does this by employing their own rgbk light engine with 4 lcos panels.
It is finally looking like lasers are coming. Now it is not just Ohlson talking about it.

Seriously?

Mother I'd Love to F***

I was wondering the same thing. If you don't know what a MILF is (I won't bother answering what a GILF is), then you spend WAY too much time behind a computer or in your home theater.

Sitting behind a computer is how I found out what a MILF is !

Art

What about that processor for a 4K projector ?

Art

Believe me, I know one when I see one, I just didn't know they'd been acronymized.

When will a G90 be beaten? Well lets see

Sharpness first by Qualia, now several others. ( ~2004)
Detail/MTF first by Qualia, now several others. ( ~2004)
Bright scene CR first by HD2+ DLP now several others (~2003)
Brightness uniformity HD1 DLPs > 5 years
Greyscale accuracy HD1 DLPs > 5 years
Color uniformity HD1 DLPs > 5 years
Shadow detail first by Ruby, Pearl, RS1. (~2005)
Source Dark Scene CR equaled by Ruby, ... (~2005)
Absolute Dark Scene CR No!
Absolute Black No!

Interestingly your list is true. Although absolute black level hasn't been beat there's gonna be a few ex CRT owners with the RS1s within a couple weeks that wont give a damn. They may remember the days of super blacks but wont care because the unit will look better and be far more user friendly.

I'm betting we will actually get complaints they've gone too far. That is doesn't look filmlike because the CR is too high.

I believe DLP was the first with a higher MTF. Until I see legit figures, I would say DLP continues to win this race. Of course I need to ask, what is the minimum MTF needed for a good image and can there be to high of a MTF?

Horse **** as usual Tryg. I'm one of the few people who's seen this head to head. RS 1 is an extraordinary device but trust me there are things in real picture reproduction that is missing with the RS1 compared to my stack. Enjoy the fact that the RS 1 is a great device and as such will please most people.

Art

Depends on the scene. In many cases not.

IMO the Ruby level and above digitals have exceeded the source limit as far as dark dark scene CR is concerned. While a G90 may provide more contrast, the increased contrast does not provide any additional detail or information.
The following provides an example:

While the image on the right has 100x more contrast it does not provide any more detail/nformation.

You are absolutely right but I believe that there in lies the misconception.When you look at those images you see exactly what greatly increased CR does for an image. The detail is not lost in the dark areas ,there is none, but areas that should be black, since there is nothing back there to see ,are indeed black. The result is much much more three dimensionality and image punch.

By the way, this is very very similar to what I saw when comparing an RS1 to my CRTs.

Art

That's "hobbyist speak". Forget the technical meaning of "detail". The picture on the right is far more detailed!

p.s. To some extent we are limited by the screen shot but I'm extrapolating at what I should be seeing. To me that looks like an overexposed photograph. The black on the right display looks black though.

Well the right will be available in a digital, unfortunately flat panel and only 57"

Given the fact that current gen SOTA LCDs produce 1,200:1 ANSI CR, that combined with > 100,000:1 on/off CR will define the new reference for PQ

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6&page=1&pp=30

The reference in picture quality was easily the OLED displays Sony was showing at CES.

over 1,000,000:1

I could not believe my eyes. beautiful

I am e mos from 3 years on my qualia....600 hours. Do we really need 5000 hour bulbs?