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I am about to go from format neutral to format exclusive

post #1 of 202
2/20/07 at 7:55am
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I was thinking about my PS3 and HD-A2 and decided I really don't need both. Idid some comparisons on upconversion and dvd playback from the PS3 and don't notice a HUGE difference. There is a difference mind you in favor of the HD-A2 but noty mind blowing.

Just need some clarification: The only thing I'm missing out on dropping HD DVD is Uni and Weinstein right? I am assuming so.

The only titles I have from Uni and Weinstein are:

Lucky # Slevin ( I will really miss this one in HD)
The Break Up
The Mummy
The Mummy Returns (Crap)
Serenity( I will really miss this one in HD)
Apollo 13
Hulk ( PQ impulse buy, will never re-watch)
Cinderella Man
Pitch Black
Riddick (Wife will miss this one)

King Kong(not really counting this one because I hated the movie but got it through some promotion and its still unopened.

I will proboly be putting all these titles up for sale...along with my other HD DVDs and be going Blu Ray exclusive.

But my original question....What else am I missing out on??? I don't think anything else, right?
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post #2 of 202
2/20/07 at 8:03am
Matt, the same thing has crossed my mind but I still want to buy the big titles coming from Universal. I have pretty much decided to only buy the HD DVD version when it is exclusive to that format. It is a difficult but logical decision to make. I already have over 100 HD DVD titles so I'm not ready to go into full retreat quite yet.
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post #3 of 202
2/20/07 at 8:04am
I have been debating the same thing as well. I used to be a hardcore HD-DVD supporter but ever since I went format neutral, I have been favoring BD more and more. I am seriously considering selling my A2 unless I there are huge reasons why I should just keep it.
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post #4 of 202
2/20/07 at 8:05am
Uhh Why do you want to sell the things you already bought? Your not going to get much on the market for your used discs or used player? Are you hurting for money? If your not you should enjoy the choice.

In regards to your question, Universal will have Jaws, Jurassic Park eventually, several Spielberg films if they ever get there differences worked out, Weinstein will be bringing all of the Sin City sequels as they now have the rights to the sequels.

There also is no official dates for all the early Warner HD-DVD titles some of the more obscure ones like Excalibur may or may not come out on BD.

At some point I'm probably going neutral but will never sell my old discs or players


Also import HD-DVD's give you a larger catalog of titles that may never make it to the states.
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post #5 of 202
2/20/07 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by Bob Meridian View Post

Good for you Matt

It's best to sell these things while you can sill get money for them. You probably won't even be able to give your HD-DVD stuff away 15 months from now.

No one is going to want to pay money for obsolete technology.


By that logic, he should probably sell his car, too
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post #6 of 202
2/20/07 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by swanlee View Post

Uhh Why do you want to sell the things you already bought? Your not going to get much on the market for your used discs or used player? Are you hurting for money? If your not you should enjoy the choice.

In regards to your question, Universal will have Jaws, Jurassic Park eventually, several Spielberg films if they ever get there differences worked out, Weinstein will be bringing all of the Sin City sequels as they now have the rights to the sequels.

There also is no official dates for all the early Warner HD-DVD titles some of the more obscure ones like Excalibur may or may not come out on BD.

At some point I'm probably going neutral but will never sell my old discs or players


Also import HD-DVD's give you a larger catalog of titles that may never make it to the states.

I see your point but I won't import at those prices and my A2 is still under the return policy. I'm not "hurting" for money but I'm not going to support two formats anymore.

I used to be HUGE in the HD DVD camp...was brainwashed by reading threads that I can watch upconverted BD exclusives....but why? I can watch the Uni and weinstein on the PS3 if I really wanted to. When 90% of everything is HD on BD and only....I don't know 50% is on HD on HD DVD...why should I make the bigger concession of SD materiel for HD DVD.

I have heavily favored BD since going neutral and it seems more clear that BD will win this so called war. There is just overwhelming disparity in the titles that will be released on BD...This is the way I am seeing it right now.

I am a big gamer also so it makes more sense to keep my PS3 for BD and games. Bottom line is I just do not want to collect two formats and if worse comes to worse, I can always buy a Duel Format player later down the road.
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post #7 of 202
2/20/07 at 8:15am
A few weeks ago I had an HD-A2 and PS3. Having the HD-A2 just for Universal seemed ridiculous to me (even though they have some great titles) and too much overlap. We all know for sure the remaining Warner titles will be coming to Blu-ray at some point and given the hardware issues my HD-A2 was giving me, I decided to just return it and stick with the PS3/Blu-ray. Also, I found myself just using the PS3 far more often given the other Blu-ray exclusive studio support.

If Universal has still not supported Blu-ray by the end of the year or early next year - or it appears they will not be supporting Blu-ray anytime soon, I figure by that point I'll be able to purchase a used HD-A1 for $50 and just rent those titles.
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post #8 of 202
2/20/07 at 8:18am
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I for one wish solid numbers were released to the public on what has actually sold. Would make the situation a hell of a lot easier for me.
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post #9 of 202
2/20/07 at 8:18am
I'm not giving up on HD DVD yet. There's still plenty of good exclusive titles in the pipeline and the PQ has been very nice. The features dwarf those available on BD currently and the upconversion alone is worth keeping the player for. Maybe your current TV doesn't show a big difference now, but if you get a bigger one in a year or two, it will.

But I'm not going to tell you what to do. If you want to dump it all, dump it all. I'm just saying you may regret it once Jaws, Sin City 2 and Jurassic Park come out.
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post #10 of 202
2/20/07 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by Fettastic View Post

I'm not giving up on HD DVD yet. There's still plenty of good exclusive titles in the pipeline and the PQ has been very nice. The features dwarf those available on BD currently and the upconversion alone is worth keeping the player for. Maybe your current TV doesn't show a big difference now, but if you get a bigger one in a year or two, it will.

But I'm not going to tell you what to do. If you want to dump it all, dump it all. I'm just saying you may regret it once Jaws, Sin City 2 and Jurassic Park come out.

Well those titles will come to BR anyways. Any betamax or DVHS releases were still redone for the more popular formats.

I can honestly relate to this guys frustration. I dont want to buy SD disney releases and HD disney release. And Ill be damned if Im gonna put a $800 BR player in my daughters room. Maybe a cheap little HD DVD player, but then I have to manage two HD formats in the home.

I wish this format thing would go one way or another.
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post #11 of 202
2/20/07 at 8:25am
And when is Jaws and Jurassic Park coming out?
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post #12 of 202
2/20/07 at 8:27am
If I were in your situation, I'd miss the current Warner exclusives like Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, T3, even Harry Potter 4 etc. I'd also miss the HD DVD superior Superman Returns for the TrueHD track. Granted, these titles will come to BD eventually, but I wouldn't want to wait, especially when Batman, V, and Harry 4 are already in Dolby TrueHD.

As you mentioned the Universal and Weinstein titles like 40yr old Virgin and Children of Men.

Personally, I've switched from HD DVD exclusive, to format nuetral, to favoring BD, however HD DVD has plenty for me to keep and will be more attractive if the imports like Underworld and T2 turn out superior to the stateside BD releases. I think its too early to give up considering how paltry disc sales are compared to DVD. Anything can happen. Just my opinion.
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post #13 of 202
2/20/07 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by Fettastic View Post

I'm not giving up on HD DVD yet. There's still plenty of good exclusive titles in the pipeline and the PQ has been very nice. The features dwarf those available on BD currently and the upconversion alone is worth keeping the player for. Maybe your current TV doesn't show a big difference now, but if you get a bigger one in a year or two, it will.

But I'm not going to tell you what to do. If you want to dump it all, dump it all. I'm just saying you may regret it once Jaws, Sin City 2 and Jurassic Park come out.

I have a 55inch TV already so I doubt I will be going bigger. I thought about those titles but at some point people...even us enthusists have to stop and put ourselves in check. I have a family and can't continue spending movie hand over foot to support both formats...its not a responsible use of my money. Not that I am poor(far from it) there is just a point where you say, "Do I really need all this? Whats the better option? Whats more feasible? WHat has the best chance of succedding?" And I sorry to say, from my own conclusions to those questions, Blu Ray comes out on top.

Sony did a great job putting BD in the PS3. It combines my gaming and movie watching. Consolidates my AV rack and BD gives me a ton of the movies I want to see.

I know about the BIG exclusives for both formats but everytime someone says, "You can't get Jurrasic Park for BD" , the same person can say "you can't get Pirates of the Caribbean for HD DVD." and "You can't get Star Wars for HD DVD" , "you can't get Jaws for BD".

It pretty much comes down to making comprmises. I know some of you just don't want to do that and we shouldn't have to. But If I thought HD DVD would pull this out, I would be keeping the player. So to me, in my own head, someday, I will be getting Jaws....on BD.
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post #14 of 202
2/20/07 at 8:57am
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And when is Jaws and Jurassic Park coming out?

I hope we're not discussing the PS4 when they do.
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post #15 of 202
2/20/07 at 9:02am
Bad decision, or rather premature. When Scarface and some of the other fantastic exclusive titles start coming out you'll be beating yourself on the chest and waiting for Universal to go format neutral - like HD DVD enthusiasts were waiting for Disney. You should have at least given it to the end of the year. At that point you could have gauged whether the HD DVD leadership were going to deliver on the promises of cheap Chinese players, 300 titles, etc.
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post #16 of 202
2/20/07 at 9:05am
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But I'm not going to tell you what to do. If you want to dump it all, dump it all. I'm just saying you may regret it once Jaws, Sin City 2 and Jurassic Park come out.

Dude, this "war" will be decided by the time Sin City 2 comes out.
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post #17 of 202
2/20/07 at 9:07am
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By that logic, he should probably sell his car, too

If you have two cars and only use one of them, while the other is depreciating away....

Might as well DUMP the unused depreciating car while you can still get decent money for it.
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post #18 of 202
2/20/07 at 9:13am
^Er, what car doesn't depreciate. The point is that it's such a small investment what value is there in selling it. Assume for the moment that Universal released a torrent of titles fulfilling their 100 title promise this year and promised 100 per year from now on he would get tremendous use of his HD DVD player. How do you quantify that pleasure or rather the pleasure of missing those titles?
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post #19 of 202
2/20/07 at 9:13am
As a neutral guy myself (PS3 & HD-XA2) I couldn't imagine getting rid of either one. I like being able to watch movies from either side of the fence.

Since the player is still in the return period you're set then.

Personally I love having access to both formats and I seriously doubt this thing will be over in the next two years if ever. It'll probably end up like DVD+R and DVD-R where the dual format players will rule (we already see one).
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post #20 of 202
2/20/07 at 9:14am
If your looking to sell are you going to sell it all in one package? If not I want a few of your movies that you have listed.
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post #21 of 202
2/20/07 at 9:15am
Well my point is.. if you have two machines that perform similar functions. And you only use one of them then what is the point of keeping both?

To fill an empty space on your Audio rack? Might as well dump it while its still worth something to someone. They will at least make good use of it.

Otherwise you will just hold onto equipment that you wont use, until the day that you end up throwing it in the garbage. Sell it to someone who wants it. Doesnt that make more sense?
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post #22 of 202
2/20/07 at 9:17am
"No one is going to want to pay money for obsolete technology."

But it's not like his HD-DVD's and hd dvd player are going to burn up or explode if BLU-RAY ever wins this so called war. The HD-DVD movies he has if he sells them and wants them on blu-ray he will have to re buy.

If a person was buying into HD now thats one story but to dump HD-DVD and your discs is silly and will end up costing you more money in the end and you will miss out on titles.
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post #23 of 202
2/20/07 at 9:19am
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Originally Posted by mrigsby View Post

As a neutral guy myself (PS3 & HD-XA2) I couldn't imagine getting rid of either one. I like being able to watch movies from either side of the fence.

Since the player is still in the return period you're set then.

Personally I love having access to both formats and I seriously doubt this thing will be over in the next two years if ever. It'll probably end up like DVD+R and DVD-R where the dual format players will rule (we already see one).


I agree, If you've already got them both, why not enjoy them both, given SO much uncertainty.

To carry the car analogy further. If you live in the Northeast, and own both an SUV and a convertible, why get rid of either one? Both will give opportunuities to enjoy them
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post #24 of 202
2/20/07 at 9:20am
Get as much of your money back while you still can. If you wait until christmas you will only be getting pennies on the dollar.


Ebay while you still can lol.


Blu-ray has 4 in the top 100 now.




I have been a Blu-ray only supporter since the beginning, and even I am amazed by how fast and how far Blu-ray is pulling ahead of HD-DUD.
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post #25 of 202
2/20/07 at 9:22am
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Originally Posted by gosawx View Post

By that logic, he should probably sell his car, too

Current car technology won't be obsolete for at least another 20-40 years. There is no reason for him to sell his car now.

On the other hand HD-DVD has death breathing down its neck. HD-DVDs demise will come sooner than later so there is no reason for him to keep his HD-DVD stuff. He might as well recoup some of the money he has spent on HD-DVD.

It just makes no sense to stay HD-DVD with the imminent switch over coming from Universal sometime this year.
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post #26 of 202
2/20/07 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by Bob Meridian View Post

Current car technology won't be obsolete for at least another 20-40 years. There is no reason for him to sell his car now.

On the other hand HD-DVD has death breathing down its neck. HD-DVDs demise will come sooner than later so there is no reason for him to keep his HD-DVD stuff. He might as well recoup some of the money he has wasted on HD-DVD.

It just makes no sense to stay HD-DVD with the imminent switch over coming from Universal sometime this year.


that's awesome
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post #27 of 202
2/20/07 at 9:24am
At this point selling used titles means you will eventually repurchase them in HD on the other format so what is the point? I have 105 HD DVD titles and 47 Blu ray(which is rapidly growing). So for me if one outlasts the other sooner than later I still have enough movies to justify keeping it around. I am willing to bet that both co-exist for quite some time though. The only team for me is the NEUTRAL TEAM!
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post #28 of 202
2/20/07 at 9:28am
No way would I go one format only...I rent and buy the hell out of HD DVD and BD. I love having both formats to select from. No fanboy here. I just like having ALL the HD content available.
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post #29 of 202
2/20/07 at 9:35am
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To carry the car analogy further. If you live in the Northeast, and own both an SUV and a convertible, why get rid of either one? Both will give opportunuities to enjoy them

Hmmm, I dont think that is a good analogy. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray serve similar purposes. So its more like having a Sports car(Blu-Ray) and another Sports car(HD-DVD).

They both Depriciate. You perfer using one of the sports cars, the other collects dust. Why not get rid of the one that you dont use? Are you just storing it for the sake of storing it?

Get out. Make back some money while you can.
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post #30 of 202
2/20/07 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by swanlee View Post

Uhh Why do you want to sell the things you already bought? Your not going to get much on the market for your used discs or used player? Are you hurting for money? If your not you should enjoy the choice.

In regards to your question, Universal will have Jaws, Jurassic Park eventually, several Spielberg films if they ever get there differences worked out, Weinstein will be bringing all of the Sin City sequels as they now have the rights to the sequels.

There also is no official dates for all the early Warner HD-DVD titles some of the more obscure ones like Excalibur may or may not come out on BD.

Why, because he can still get a good percentage of his initial investment back by getting out now. With the way things are going, that very likely won't be the case in the not to distant future.

Regrading the titles Universal holds, they will be offering them on BR when there is no more HD-DVD.

I originally thought HD-DVD was going to win this thing. It's becoming more and more clear every week that's not going to be the case. The longer you wait, the less value your HD-DVD hardware and software will have as it all unfolds. I'm only doing BR from this point on.
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