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post #2161 of 6210
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I have a 3.3 Turbo and love it. After researching the matter I chose the 3.3 Turbo over the ULS-15 because it seemed to perform at least as well and was far cheaper. It seems to me that the ULS-15 would be most attractive to those with a space or WAF problem.


Not to rain on your parade but it’s probably important to understand that Hsu no longer makes the VTF-3 HO:

http://www.hsuresearch.com/subwoofers.html

Don’t misunderstand me, I think the HO was a terrific sub but the fact remains that, for whatever reason, Hsu stopped making that model. Why do you want to sell it?

Just the upgrade itch. Plus I am looking for a smaller footprint.

I am sure just like every company, HSU has to bring new products to the market in order to survive. Products no longer offered doesn't mean its not good .

Btw, the reason the 3.3s are still selling is because its "cheaper" and more affordable to the common.

Tony
post #2162 of 6210
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Originally Posted by wingnut4772 View Post

I can cuz I have them.

How is the output compared to other HSU subs (HO or 3.3)? I have a pair of 3.3 with a pair of MBM's and can't imagine anything more than that.

Bill
post #2163 of 6210
Although I bought a Hsu VTF-3 MK3 Turbo sub in September, the rest of my speakers are old and ordinary. I just ordered a Yamaha RX-V3900 AV receiver to replace my old RX-V2400, which I have had for 5 years and loved. It is obsolete, though, because it lacks HDMI inputs, which prevents me from receiving the new lossless audio Codecs now encoded on many BDs. I now want to upgrade my speakers. Here are the systems I am considering:

Hsu: http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/enthusiast3.html

This is the Enthusiast 3 package, of course.

Axiom: http://www.axiomaudio.com/wizardv2_r...4&A7=C&A8=1728

I would not be buying the Axiom sub.

The prices of the 2 systems are within $30 of one another.

Here is my question. The Axiom center, front, and surround speakers are appealing. Not only are they finished in an attractive cherry, they seem slightly larger and more capable than the same 7 speakers in the Enthusiast 3 package.

The Hsu package is still appealing, though, because it would give me a second 3.3, which I would set in maximum output mode and would leave my existing 3.3 Turbo in maximum extension mode. Although I have been delighted with what the 3.3 Turbo has done for my system, a second 3.3 should serve to give me even smoother bass than I have now.

I bought my first Hsu subs, a pair of the old original HRSW 10s, in the early '90s, so I have a lot of faith in what Hsu does. Also the finish on new Hsu speakers would match that of my existing 3.3.

I would be interested in hearing the thoughts of any of you who started out with one sub but are now running 2 subs, particularly 2 3.3s or a 3.3 and an MBM. Also, if I'm lucky, maybe somebody here has had some real world experience with the Axioms. Thanks in advance for any feedback.

tractng: I probably did not make clear enough that I think highly of the HO. In fact, had they still been available when I bought my 3.3 Turbo I probably would have bought one.
post #2164 of 6210
gwsat,

That is probably a better subject for the Speakers forum, than the sub forum. There are a lot more options for a 7-speaker setup at 2K than those 2.
post #2165 of 6210
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Originally Posted by cyberbri View Post

gwsat,

That is probably a better subject for the Speakers forum, than the sub forum. There are a lot more options for a 7-speaker setup at 2K than those 2.

Thanks, but I HAVE posted in the speakers and receivers forum. I decided to post here, too, because, insofar as I have been able to determine this is the only place in AVS Forum for Hsu owners. If you will carefully review this thread, you will see that there have been other posts about speakers other than subs here. I guess that is in evitable in a thread containing more than 2,000 posts.

I recognize that there are many choices of speakers in the price range I have considered but I have now winnowed them down to Axiom and Hsu. Choices such as these have to be arbitrary at some level but I am comfortable enough with my decision to promote Hsu and Axiom to the finals to stick with it.

The most significant question I asked was directly aimed at Hsu sub owners: do those of you with 2 3.3s or a 3.3 and an MBM think that the advantage of adding a second 3.3 to my system would be important enough to give up what I perceive to be the advantages of the Axioms I was considering have over the Hsu HB-1 MK2s and HC-1 MK2. Thanks.
post #2166 of 6210
I have a couple MBM's for sale for anyone interested.

http://forum.hsuresearch.com/showthr...ed=1#post37810
post #2167 of 6210
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Originally Posted by weverb View Post

I have a couple MBM's for sale for anyone interested.

http://forum.hsuresearch.com/showthr...ed=1#post37810

Why?

Bill
post #2168 of 6210
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Why?

Bill

WAF, bills, and DIY route.
post #2169 of 6210
Weverb -- Yeah, about the only consistent knock I have heard against Hsu subs is that they are, how to put it gently, not the most esthetically pleasing speakers in the world. For example my daughter has dubbed my VTF-3 MK 3 Turbo, "R2-D2." Now, that's cold!
post #2170 of 6210
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Weverb -- Yeah, about the only consistent knock I have heard against Hsu subs is that they are, how to put it gently, not the most esthetically pleasing speakers in the world. For example my daughter has dubbed my VTF-3 MK 3 Turbo, "R2-D2." Now, that's cold!

Now that is cold! My wife was always finding ways to cover them up with things like tables, desks, etc.
post #2171 of 6210
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Thanks, but I HAVE posted in the speakers and receivers forum. I decided to post here, too, because, insofar as I have been able to determine this is the only place in AVS Forum for Hsu owners. If you will carefully review this thread, you will see that there have been other posts about speakers other than subs here. I guess that is in evitable in a thread containing more than 2,000 posts.

I recognize that there are many choices of speakers in the price range I have considered but I have now winnowed them down to Axiom and Hsu. Choices such as these have to be arbitrary at some level but I am comfortable enough with my decision to promote Hsu and Axiom to the finals to stick with it.

The most significant question I asked was directly aimed at Hsu sub owners: do those of you with 2 3.3s or a 3.3 and an MBM think that the advantage of adding a second 3.3 to my system would be important enough to give up what I perceive to be the advantages of the Axioms I was considering have over the Hsu HB-1 MK2s and HC-1 MK2. Thanks.


Is this going to be the last purchase you ever make for your HT?

The additional sub question is a valid one. If you feel the additional sub is that important, than you could still get it and the Axioms. Start off with 5 speakers instead of 7. Down the road, if you feel you still need 2 more surround speakers, add them later. The money you save up front would almost cover the additional sub.

So if I were you, I would be trying to get the best speakers I could for the money. And additional sub might get you 3~6dB more output. Personally I would get an eq and/or room treatments before an additional sub, as the improvement in sound quality is much much more than one more sub could add.


Additionally, look at the speakers in each of those packages. The surrounds in the HSU are direct-firing, and the Axioms are quadropolar. They are very, very different, and will give you a completely different soundfield in the rear stage. That is another important question - which is best for your setup.
post #2172 of 6210
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Originally Posted by cyberbri View Post

Is this going to be the last purchase you ever make for your HT?

The additional sub question is a valid one. If you feel the additional sub is that important, than you could still get it and the Axioms. Start off with 5 speakers instead of 7. Down the road, if you feel you still need 2 more surround speakers, add them later. The money you save up front would almost cover the additional sub.

So if I were you, I would be trying to get the best speakers I could for the money. And additional sub might get you 3~6dB more output. Personally I would get an eq and/or room treatments before an additional sub, as the improvement in sound quality is much much more than one more sub could add.

Additionally, look at the speakers in each of those packages. The surrounds in the HSU are direct-firing, and the Axioms are quadropolar. They are very, very different, and will give you a completely different soundfield in the rear stage. That is another important question - which is best for your setup.

Cyberbi -- Thanks for your input, I appreciate it.

I finally decided to go the cheapest way possible that I thought would work for me. I decided to pass on both the Axioms and a second sub. Instead, I ordered 6 HB-1 MK2s and an HC-1 MK2 speakers from Hsu. This solution saved me over $600 while providing me with a set of speakers that I believe will work very well in my setup. Better yet, the finish on my new speakers, satin black, will match the finish on my 3.3 Turbo.

After reviewing this thread, I finally decided that I really don't need a second sub. I routinely set the SPL on my system to provide about 70-75 dB for dialog; peaks rarely exceed 100 dB. Thus, my 3.3 Turbo should be more than sufficient for my purposes.

The new Hsu speakers are a big upgrade for me. My current front speakers are a pair of Celestion SL6s that I bought in the 80s and center and surround speakers that came from a 10 year old Sony HTiB system. I anticipate that the improvement will be dramatic.

A new Yamaha RX-V3900 receiver, which will replace my 5 year old Yamaha RX-V2400, is scheduled to arrive today. I am very much looking forward to test driving my new and improved HT audio system and will report further on my results.

Thanks again for your input.
post #2173 of 6210
Glad you found something that will work for you!


A word of warning, though... If you keep reading this thread, or AVS in general, sooner or later you'll get that upgrade itch and be looking to add something or other to the system.


Just a suggestion to get the most out of your sub -- I don't know where you have it located, but putting it close to you, ie., next to or behind your couch, will maximize its performance for your room. It can take more work to get it integrated with the mains properly, but it can give you more perceived slam and more visceral and tactile feel than if it's in a front corner. I was looking to upgrade from my VTF3.2, but moved it behind the couch, spent a day running sweeps and eq'ing it (I'm very anal about it), and now I don't feel the need to upgrade my sub like I used to. The slam on action movies I felt I was lacking is now there.
post #2174 of 6210
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Cyberbi -- Thanks for your input, I appreciate it.

I finally decided to go the cheapest way possible that I thought would work for me. I decided to pass on both the Axioms and a second sub. Instead, I ordered 6 HB-1 MK2s and an HC-1 MK2 speakers from Hsu. This solution saved me over $600 while providing me with a set of speakers that I believe will work very well in my setup. Better yet, the finish on my new speakers, satin black, will match the finish on my 3.3 Turbo.

After reviewing this thread, I finally decided that I really don't need a second sub. I routinely set the SPL on my system to provide about 70-75 dB for dialog; peaks rarely exceed 100 dB. Thus, my 3.3 Turbo should be more than sufficient for my purposes.

The new Hsu speakers are a big upgrade for me. My current front speakers are a pair of Celestion SL6s that I bought in the 80s and center and surround speakers that came from a 10 year old Sony HTiB system. I anticipate that the improvement will be dramatic.

A new Yamaha RX-V3900 receiver, which will replace my 5 year old Yamaha RX-V2400, is scheduled to arrive today. I am very much looking forward to test driving my new and improved HT audio system and will report further on my results.

Thanks again for your input.

Be sure to let us know how you like the MK2s! I toyed around with getting them a while back, but ended up with something else.

Woah, new speakers, new receiver, ........tax return time?

Good luck that should be a sweet setup.
post #2175 of 6210
Thanks for you kind words, guys. My 3.3 Turbo is already in a nearfield location, between the side of my primary viewing chair and a wall. It has been wonderful, even with my old system and should be even better with my new and improved receiver and speakers.

Cyberbri - It looks like you have been around AVS Forum as long as I have. As you observed, reading these threads can get expensive. I have been a home theater nerd for 30 years and was an audio enthusiast for more that 10 before that. For example, I bought a pair of Dr. Hsu's original HRSW10 subs from Dr. Hsu, himself, in 1992. In short, the upgrade bug has hit me on many occasions, this time harder than usual.

Beginning last summer, I added a PS3 to use as a BD player. That, in turn, led to my replacing my 5 year old 50 inch HDTV with a 60 inch Pioneer Kuro 6020 plasma. Then came the 3.3, a Yamaha RX-V3900, and finally, the other Hsu speakers, which should get here by Friday or Monday. This is going to be fun!
post #2176 of 6210
If anyone is interested, I have a less than 1 week old ULS 15 I will sell. It just won't integrate with my system. I need to place it behind me and the wireless just won't work well in my house, too many routers etc. I can't retun it because it is a B stock, has a scruffy area on the top but not particulary noticeable. It cost me $1039 plus $60 for shipping. I will sell for $900 and I will pay shipping.
post #2177 of 6210
Recently, I replaced y 5 year old AV receiver, a Yamaha RX-V2400, with a Yamaha RX-V3900. Last week I replaced my old front, surround, and back surround speakers with 6 Hsu HB-1 MK2s. I replaced the center with a Hsu HC-1 MK2. The new speakers were added to my existing sub, a VTF-3 Mk3 Turbo, which I have had for several months.

Although I have loved my 3.3 Turbo from the beginning, this new system has dramatically improved the quality of the sound, especially BD movies with either TrueHD or DTS-HD MA soundtracks. When I watched WALL-E, I got a wonderful soundstage that allowed me to follow movement with ease. The LFE was so intense that I had to put a towel underneath a telephone and some remotes that stand near the sub in order to keep them from rattling. I am very happy.
post #2178 of 6210
I still have the ULS 15 for sale if anyone is interested.
post #2179 of 6210
I may be parting with my 3 month old VTF3 MK3 in satin black. PM me if you are interested
post #2180 of 6210
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Originally Posted by Gov View Post

I may be parting with my 3 month old VTF3 MK3 in satin black. PM me if you are interested

Why do you want to unload your 3.3 so soon? I have had my 3.3 Turbo for 6 months and love it.
post #2181 of 6210
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Why do you want to unload your 3.3 so soon? I have had my 3.3 Turbo for 6 months and love it.

I may pick up one of the new Epik's, kinda undecided still
post #2182 of 6210
Gov, you could always add a second VTF-3 MK3. That would be the most cost-effective route. Two of them will move a serious amount of air, and may help you to smooth out your in-room frequency response too.
post #2183 of 6210
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Originally Posted by Pete_Hsu View Post

Gov, you could always add a second VTF-3 MK3. That would be the most cost-effective route. Two of them will move a serious amount of air, and may help you to smooth out your in-room frequency response too.

Hey Pete, that would be a good I idea, but I unfortuately have no room for a second
post #2184 of 6210
I just bought myself a 3.3 and I couldn't be more pleased with my decision. I was actually quite astonished at how good the Satin Black finish actually looked. Played around with it a little bit last night with the disc that came with the sub and had a smile on my face from ear to ear.

Will be spending more time this week and weekend enjoying my new purchase.
post #2185 of 6210
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Originally Posted by dburchfield View Post

I just bought myself a 3.3 and I couldn't be more pleased with my decision. I was actually quite astonished at how good the Satin Black finish actually looked. Played around with it a little bit last night with the disc that came with the sub and had a smile on my face from ear to ear.

Will be spending more time this week and weekend enjoying my new purchase.

I like the satin black finish, too. I recently bought 6 HB-1 Mk2s and an HC-1 Mk2, also in satin black, to match my existing 3.3 Turbo. All the speakers look great in my big room. I have had the 3.3 Turbo for six months and could not be happier with it. The new speakers make it sound better than ever.
post #2186 of 6210
Hey, stupid question.. I just bought a vtf2 mk3, was it supposed to come with a CD? I've seen references to one in other threads but I don't recall seeing it as I was tearing the box apart
post #2187 of 6210
I recalibrated my 3.3 in ME mode with my Anti-Mode 8033 today, and to my suprise, I am not losing much mid-upper bass like I thought I would. I would love to see how much under 16hz I can go with useable output in my room. I am guessing 13-14hz.

The first set of numbers are MO then second ME:
16hz = 66db 16hz = 84db
18hz = 71db 18hz = 81db
20hz = 78db 20hz = 79db
22hz = 80db 22hz = 78db
25hz = 77db 25hz = 78db
28hz = 79db 28hz = 78db
31.5hz = 79db 31.5hz = 80db
36hz = 77db 36hz = 78db
40hz = 82db 40hz = 81.5db
45hz = 85db 45hz = 83db
50hz = 83db 50hz = 82db
56hz = 85db 56hz = 84.5db
63hz = 82.5db 63hz = 81.5db
71hz = 82.5db 71hz = 82.5db
80hz = 81.5db 80hz = 80.5db
89hz = 73.5db 89hz = 71.5db
100hz = 71db 100hz = 68db

Measurements are with just sub playing and 100hz crossover on my receiver.
post #2188 of 6210
Just wondering I see the VTF2-MK3 is on sale for 10% off limited time. Are there sales often, even at an increased percent off or is this something I may need to jump on sooner rathter than later as I am interested in this sub.
post #2189 of 6210
Just got my VTF-2 MK3 today, and have to say i am quite pleased with it, particularly for the price. I don't even want to say what it repalced, but let's just say it's like having a new music and video library again. It IS quite large, but luckily it fits into my "single 50 year old guy" decor
post #2190 of 6210
I believe my CD was in the transparent pocket outside the box.
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