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Looking for a sub to go with my Aperion 6T's.

Researching here on the form has narrowed down my price range to HSU VTF-3 MK 3
and
SVS SB12-NSD.

My room is 11 x18, with a small office off of one corner (can close the door), and the hallway comes into the room from the front left (left of my front left speaker).

These seem to be the best bang for the buck, but any additional direction/input would be greatly appreciated.

I thought the Aperion 10D sub with remote would be neat, but the above are cheaper, and typically better respected.
Thanks.

If you have room for it, get the VTF3, it will walk all over the SB12. The SB12 is a small sealed design, not meant for heavy duty output. The PB12 is more comparable to the VTF3, and even then I'd rather have a VTF3.

I would give the 10D a chance. You have nothing to lose. I think the bravus subs are way underrated. They may lack some low end but they sure check a lot of other boxes including output for their size.

If u are trying to save some cash the HSU vtf2.3 would be plenty for the room your size. I have similar dimensions and i hv the vtf2.3 set at volume 3 out of 10 and it is plenty powerful and loud.

+1

What an odd post.

I'm guilted to tears

Very odd post. He made one post telling people his sub was arriving and because no one said "yeah" he's upset?

Congrats!

^^^^
Hah!! I knew there had to be one friendly member in this pile of meanies somewhere.

That is hilarious! Just classic, I am still trying to gather myself.

If you think that one was strange, get a load of his first one:


I gather the guy has the misimpression that everybody here works for Hsu and have the power, somehow, to decree that his sub will be in his hands by a certain date. Now that's weird! I talked to Dr. Hsu on the phone a couple of times years ago and have owned three of his subs but that's the extent of my connection to Hsu Research, I promise.

Alot of bananas in the bunch, some are ripe and some aren't!
I'm not "unfriendly" however, I play one on TV!

OK I am




about your new sub.
How about some pics of it and your other stuff and a little review of how you think it sounds.

I have a small TV room that is approximately 10' x 10' x 8' (ceiling). I'm using Klipsch Quintet III speakers with an HK receiver. I've been living without a sub for some time and figure it is time to get one. I'm thinking the STF-2 would fit perfectly for my room since it is 100% for movies, no music. I don't believe I would gain that much with the variable model subs.

My priorities is really (1) the crossover inside the sub good enough to prevent bass from bleeding into the midrange. To me, this is unacceptable. (2) blending with my speakers which may be a little difficult knowing the Quintet III's are small. (3) tight, fast, powerful enough bass to enjoy movies. I'm not looking for shear SPL levels due to the not wanting to disturb others with the location of this TV room in my house. (4) Fourth but not least is quality, won't be that great if something on the electronics goes bad after 2 years.

Some have referred me to Lava subs. With the 12" woofer and dual ports, it seems this would be more towards shear SPL levels even though value seems interesting. I didn't like reading how a couple had their subs fail after the warranty so wonder about quality. Not sure about SVS subs. If this is the cylinder shaped subs, it definitely will not pass the WAF.

Appreciate any input on my situation. Is HSU subs really the best value out there for around $? Some like BiC subs that don't cost that much on Amazon.com or Overstock.com. Not sure how they compare.

Thanks in advance,
Robert

Hope this help.

Thanks WhskyTangoFoxtrt,

I ready to pull the trigger on ordering the STF-2. Are there others that would do any better. It seems some like the Lava or BiC subs around the same price point. It seems the STF-2 is hard to beat so not sure if others are really better. Many seem to get hung up on needing a 12" woofer sub over a 10" and feel better to get the larger sub for this reason.

Robert

Robert,
I'm personally biased towards HSU since thats all I have ever owned. I bought a 10" in 2003 and another a couple months ago. I prefer these musically as they blend very well with my system, and couldnt be happier.
However they come up a bit short on impact in movies with strong LFE mixes IMO.
So I have them placed for music at 25% room length, which works in my case.
But for movies, I slide them about 3' forward (1 1/2' from the front wall, 6" from the side wall), somewhat corner loading them. That gives me all I can handle for impact. My heavy leather couch shakes from the inside out, through every bit of LFE with no changes to the settings.
The advantage here is that, with these at 40-50 lbs, you can easily adjust to music/movie with some experimenting.

I bought a pair of Hsu HRSW10s from Dr. Hsu himself back in the '90s, in his company's early days. They served me well but didn't give the LFE in movie soundtracks as much punch as I would have liked.

Two and a half years ago, the HRSW10s finally died and I replaced them with a VTF-3.3 Turbo. When I explained to Pete that I wanted to get maximum LFE impact, he suggested that I set my new sub in a nearfield location. I set it up with its driver about 2 feet from my customary seat when I watch movies, with its back to a side wall in my viewing room. The setup turned out to be perfect. The room shaking LFE I get from movies with a lot of it has been gratifying.

My suggestion(s) towards Robert were considering his room size of 10 x 10 x 8.
A 10" imo would rock the room. My old VTF-2 did so in a 15 x 12 x 8. Since I moved to a 14 x 20 x 7, more ooomph was need.
Ive read lots of good things about the VTF-3 turbo, however in both mine and Roberts case (with that animal), we would both likely have all the drywall joints cracked, bleeding ears, and be homeless

Yeah the 3.3 Turbo has a lot of output, to say the least. It should because it is huge. My daughter christened mine, "R2-D2."

Hah! Be happy you dont own one of the SVS cylinders, and she gets the idea to paint it up like the real R2D2. That hurts just thinking about it.

Pete, can you answer a question for me?

I have 2 HO's, one with turbo, and an MBM. In the graph below the blue line shows the non turbo HO with 1 port plugged and the switch set to 1 port open. The gold line shows the non turbo HO with both ports open and the switch set to 1 port open. Why such a difference?

The graph shows subs and MBM only with a FR of 80 Hz.

Thanks

Did you mean what you wrote? As Pete has described it, overdamped mode is one port open, and the switch in two port mode. He has written that one should never run the sub with both ports open and the switch in the 1-port position.

Bill

Damn, got that mixed up...thanks

Darn, I was really oping the VTF-2.3 was going to go on sale like it did for Labor Day. Guess I will have to keep waiting for it to go back on sale again hehe.

Guys, any advice on changing the finish on a VTF3-HO from maple veneer to black? My new home has an entirely different color scheme. I was thinking of using Plasti Dip (http://www.plastidip.com/home_solutions/Plasti_Dip) to coat the entire thing with a removable rubberized coating. My friend has done this for some stuff and it looks great. Sometimes it has an orange peel look to it though. Any thoughts?

You might give the DIY forum a ring.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=155

Update:
Glad I didn't pull the trigger on the STF-2. At first, I was a little bummed that the $319 sale price ended, going back to the original $349 price. Then I started looking at the VTF-1 with the Black Friday price. I notice the STF-1 was also on sale but figured why settle for this first level sub even though very good for the price when the VTF-1 would be worth the price difference considering the $379 sale price. It seems like I would get considerably more by spending $125 more since I'll be able to tune the sub for music or HT along with HSU saying it is a better sub than the STF-2 even though the specs are similar. I'm sure the dual ports help along with thinking someone said the magnet is slightly bigger. It must be since it is a little heavier. Also heard the finish is a little better (maybe that was the finish on the STF-1). Either way, I believe the VTF-1 is also a 1/2" taller than the STF-2 as well.

I would order today but with having 2 weeks off starting Christmas week, I figure it will probably be best to order toward the end of the Black Friday sale which end 11/29 so I'll have more of the 30 day trial period to use. With my small room, I'm not expecting to have issues and return it but still feel like better to wait.

Just out of curiosity, is the VTF-1 really a better sub than the older version VTF-2 (I believe II version versus the new III one)? Not sure if it is marketing by saying less power provides more or maybe the sub ports and box design such as bracing is better designed.

Hopefully once I get the VTF-1, it will last me a very long time. Definitely like all the posts I read about the HSU subs being musical, detailed and defined. It seems a common theme with the ED A2-300 being able to provide more air but not being as musical. Someone on another thread upgraded their VTF-1 to this ED model and said the ED moved more air but the HSU sub was easily hands down more musical when it came to bass guitar and kick drum notes. There is so much music involved in movies, I want this more than just moving air. Of course the VTF-1 should be able to provide plenty of oomph in my small 10' x 10' x 8' foot.

Looking forward to ordering it soon. I asked Pete from HSU if he would be able to extend the audition to end of year if I ordered today. I'll see what he says, hopefully he can swing it so I'll possibly have right before Thanksgiving.