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post #601 of 5953
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Originally Posted by bori View Post

No turbos maybe later down the line. Yes I plan reduce the output of the subs. Can someone provide some input on my crossover question?

bori, I have my X-over set at 80 Hz with all my speakers set to "small". I have the Primus 360's, PC350, and the 150's in the rear. Thus, the 360's can play a bit lower than 80 Hz but I have found they sound better when left at 80 Hz. I have tried them set to "large" but notice no real advantage. In fact, it kinda muddies things up a bit due to some over lapping between the natural roll-off of the 360's and the 3.3 X-overed set at 80 Hz. I suppose this may be due to some cancellation/phasing issue(s). The best thing to do is to experiement around with the "small" and "large" settings as well as different X-over points. Only you can really decide what sounds right to you. My receiver allows for X-over settings of 100 Hz, 80 Hz, or 50 hz. Of these, imho the 80 Hz X-over point sounds the best in MY room. Once again it may be a good idea to consult w/Dr. Hsu or Peter Marcks as they both are more knowledgeable than I. Hope this helps bori. Craigsub may can offer some sound advice as well.
post #602 of 5953
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Originally Posted by audiofreak38 View Post

bori, I have my X-over set at 80 Hz with all my speakers set to "small". I have the Primus 360's, PC350, and the 150's in the rear. Thus, the 360's can play a bit lower than 80 Hz but I have found they sound better when left at 80 Hz. I have tried them set to "large" but notice no real advantage. In fact, it kinda muddies things up a bit due to some over lapping between the natural roll-off of the 360's and the 3.3 X-overed set at 80 Hz. I suppose this may be due to some cancellation/phasing issue(s). The best thing to do is to experiement around with the "small" and "large" settings as well as different X-over points. Only you can really decide what sounds right to you. My receiver allows for X-over settings of 100 Hz, 80 Hz, or 50 hz. Of these, imho the 80 Hz X-over point sounds the best in MY room. Once again it may be a good idea to consult w/Dr. Hsu or Peter Marcks as they both are more knowledgeable than I. Hope this helps bori. Craigsub may can offer some sound advice as well.




What I am talking about is the crossover on the subwoofer. If you set the crossover switch to out on the HSU then you dont have to worry about the crossover frequency on the sub. Correct? Take a look at the back of your sub so you can see what switch I am talking about.
post #603 of 5953
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Originally Posted by bori View Post

What I am talking about is the crossover on the subwoofer. If you set the crossover switch to out on the HSU then you dont have to worry about the crossover frequency on the sub. Correct? Take a look at the back of your sub so you can see what switch I am talking about.

bori, when set to "out" means that the filtering is being done via your receiver. In other words, the 3.3 crossover is NOT being employed but by-passed. Does this answer your question?
post #604 of 5953
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Originally Posted by audiofreak38 View Post

bori, when set to "out" means that the filtering is being done via your receiver. In other words, the 3.3 crossover is NOT being employed but by-passed. Does this answer your question?



Yes thank you. I see someone get you a little fired up in another thread regarding the eD A5 350.
post #605 of 5953
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Originally Posted by bori View Post

Yes thank you. I see someone get you a little fired up in another thread regarding the eD A5 350.

Lol............no not fired-up. It is okay to have different opinions as long as they are backed-up with first-hand experience/observation. When one speculates he will only be correct 1/2 of the time at best. Furthermore, when someone claims product A is said to be better than product B w/o specifying why holds very little validity in my book. It is good to have different tastes because if we didn't then we would own the same things. Oh brother, just think how boring that would actually be. So, bori I did not get fired-up but Rather more inquisitve as to how such and such arrived at his conclusions.
post #606 of 5953
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Originally Posted by audiofreak38 View Post

Lol............no not fired-up. It is okay to have different opinions as long as they are backed-up with first-hand experience/observation. When one speculates he will only be correct 1/2 of the time at best. Furthermore, when someone claims product A is said to be better than product B w/o specifying why holds very little validity in my book. It is good to have different tastes because if we didn't then we would own the same things. Oh brother, just think how boring that would actually be. So, bori I did not get fired-up but Rather more inquisitve as to how such and such arrived at his conclusions.


I agree with you totally!
post #607 of 5953
So my 2.3 showed up yesterday. I had warned my wife that it would be coming and that she should watch for the FedEx driver so he could put it in the house and not drop it on the porch and run. There is no way she could get the 83 lb. box in the house by herself. I thought I might be in trouble when she called and said the delivery had been made and then complained that she thought it would be WAAAAAY too big. Once I got home and got it connected and demonstrated how good it sounded she was all smiles. :wipes sweat from forehead: We got out some CDs and her and the kids danced around. Good times...

So less than 24 hours into ownership I am thrilled. I was so impressed how good it sounded right out of the box. My new Aperion speakers show up next Tuesday and then I'm off the week between Christmas and New Years so I'll have plenty of time to mess around. Can't wait!!!
post #608 of 5953
That's awesome to hear jutley! But I hope we didn't send you a 2.2, since that model has been discontinued for a while
post #609 of 5953
My 2.3 arrived this morning. The FedEx helped my gf bring it inside. Can't wait to get home and fire it up. Hopefully the dog hasnt eaten the whole box it came in.
post #610 of 5953
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Originally Posted by Pete_Hsu View Post

That's awesome to hear jutley! But I hope we didn't send you a 2.2, since that model has been discontinued for a while


You did...I want a full refund.

Thanks for pointing that out Pete...I fixed my original post. Dang fat fingers anyway.
post #611 of 5953
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Originally Posted by jutley View Post

So my 2.3 showed up yesterday. I had warned my wife that it would be coming and that she should watch for the FedEx driver so he could put it in the house and not drop it on the porch and run. There is no way she could get the 83 lb. box in the house by herself. I thought I might be in trouble when she called and said the delivery had been made and then complained that she thought it would be WAAAAAY too big. Once I got home and got it connected and demonstrated how good it sounded she was all smiles. :wipes sweat from forehead: We got out some CDs and her and the kids danced around. Good times...

So less than 24 hours into ownership I am thrilled. I was so impressed how good it sounded right out of the box. My new Aperion speakers show up next Tuesday and then I'm off the week between Christmas and New Years so I'll have plenty of time to mess around. Can't wait!!!

Congrats jutley on your purchase!!!!! It sounds like you and the wife are having a good ole time eh? It is even better she is supporting you in your decision. Keep us posted once everything gets dialed in correctly.
post #612 of 5953
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Originally Posted by Pharcyde23 View Post

My 2.3 arrived this morning. The FedEx helped my gf bring it inside. Can't wait to get home and fire it up. Hopefully the dog hasnt eaten the whole box it came in.

Congrats there pharcyde on your purchase. It is okay if the dog eats the box as long as he doesn't eat the "inside" box. If he does at least he will not be hungry for a while. Anyways, be sure to share your intial impressions with us. We are looking forward to it.
post #613 of 5953
I ordered by 3.3 yesterday, and it shipped today! I cannot WAIT to get it. It will replace an old Polk PSW50, so I think I'm in for quite a pleasant treat. Pete @ Hsu has been INCREDIBLE, replying to my emails very quickly.

If the sub is half as good as the service has been, I will be one happy camper!!!

Doug
post #614 of 5953
Thanks Doug
post #615 of 5953
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Originally Posted by dsmithpdx View Post

I ordered by 3.3 yesterday, and it shipped today! I cannot WAIT to get it. It will replace an old Polk PSW50, so I think I'm in for quite a pleasant treat. Pete @ Hsu has been INCREDIBLE, replying to my emails very quickly.

If the sub is half as good as the service has been, I will be one happy camper!!!

Doug

Yeah, you'll dig it big time. I would have bought the 3.3 if I had the space, but the 2.3 is amazing. I can't imagine what the 3.3 sounds like.
post #616 of 5953
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Originally Posted by Pete_Hsu View Post

Thanks Doug

Thanks Dr. Hsu for designing such great subs. This is Phil that sent you a bunch of pics of my set-up as well as spoke to you on the phone several times. I am just loving my 3.3 and can NOT thank you enough. Have a great weekend.
post #617 of 5953
I have dual HSU 3.3 connected to the Onkyo 805. When should I calibrate the subs before or after I run Audyssey. Should I have them both on when I run the Audyssey? How would you calibrate your dual subs?
post #618 of 5953
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Originally Posted by audiofreak38 View Post

Congrats there pharcyde on your purchase. It is okay if the dog eats the box as long as he doesn't eat the "inside" box. If he does at least he will not be hungry for a while. Anyways, be sure to share your intial impressions with us. We are looking forward to it.

Well the dog did help himself to some cardboard before I got home but the sub was intact.

I've had it setup for a couple days now. Had to tweak things down on the Onkyo 805 as I was replacing a rather small Mirage Omni S8. The test tones nearly blew the windows out in my living room. From there I played U571, Apollo 13, and Transformers on HD DVD. The sub performed beautifully!
For music I did Guns N Roses, Beatles, some house and hip hop all on vinyl..again was very pleased. Currently running it with 1 port open.
I thought I'd be second guessing the 2.3 purchase vs the 3.3 but I havent thought about it once as this sub delivers everything I need!

I have it truned up 30% and the most important part is that the gf was very impressed at how it shakes the sofa.
post #619 of 5953
Bori, turn off the eq on your receiver and calibrate each sub by themselves to 75db. Once you have done this, turn on both subs and adjust the gain knob until you get 75db with both subs running (you will more than likely have to turn both gain knobs down).

Once you have the gain knob on both set so you get 75db with both subs running, take note of thier position and run audyssey on your receiver. After it is done, play either a bass heavy movie track or music and see if one sub stands out more than the other. If so, adjust the knobs on each equally (one up some one down the same amount). Play the same movie or music track again, continue to adjust the gain knobs on both subs until neither stands out more than the other.

Using your spl meter, make sure that you are still at 75db with both subs running. If you want you can re-run audyssey to make sure evertyhing is still level.

Sit back and enjoy your new toys.
post #620 of 5953
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Originally Posted by Pharcyde23 View Post

Well the dog did help himself to some cardboard before I got home but the sub was intact.

I've had it setup for a couple days now. Had to tweak things down on the Onkyo 805 as I was replacing a rather small Mirage Omni S8. The test tones nearly blew the windows out in my living room. From there I played U571, Apollo 13, and Transformers on HD DVD. The sub performed beautifully!
For music I did Guns N Roses, Beatles, some house and hip hop all on vinyl..again was very pleased. Currently running it with 1 port open.
I thought I'd be second guessing the 2.3 purchase vs the 3.3 but I havent thought about it once as this sub delivers everything I need!

I have it truned up 30% and the most important part is that the gf was very impressed at how it shakes the sofa.

This is great news as it sounds like you made the right choice. I am still tweaking mine some as time has been rather limited. However, I hope to get it done tomorrow or soon thereafter. Never hurts to post a pic or two you know....hint hint. Keep us posted and give us an update whenever you feel the need. Have a great day.
post #621 of 5953
Quick question, is 80hz too high of a crossover point for the 2.3 when running it with 1 port open?
post #622 of 5953
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Originally Posted by Kevin12586 View Post

Bori, turn off the eq on your receiver and calibrate each sub by themselves to 75db. Once you have done this, turn on both subs and adjust the gain knob until you get 75db with both subs running (you will more than likely have to turn both gain knobs down).

Once you have the gain knob on both set so you get 75db with both subs running, take note of thier position and run audyssey on your receiver. After it is done, play either a bass heavy movie track or music and see if one sub stands out more than the other. If so, adjust the knobs on each equally (one up some one down the same amount). Play the same movie or music track again, continue to adjust the gain knobs on both subs until neither stands out more than the other.

Using your spl meter, make sure that you are still at 75db with both subs running. If you want you can re-run audyssey to make sure evertyhing is still level.

Sit back and enjoy your new toys.

How do I turn off the eq on the receiver?
post #623 of 5953
I am not sure about your receiver. I have a Denon 987 and when I go to the eq section I can choose from audyssey, front, flat and no eq. If you have the same choices select no eq.
post #624 of 5953
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Originally Posted by Pharcyde23 View Post

Quick question, is 80hz too high of a crossover point for the 2.3 when running it with 1 port open?

80Hz should be just fine! The -2 Mk3 (and other) subwoofers are very linear, even up to 200Hz.

Sincerely,
post #625 of 5953
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Originally Posted by Kevin12586 View Post

I am not sure about your receiver. I have a Denon 987 and when I go to the eq section I can choose from audyssey, front, flat and no eq. If you have the same choices select no eq.

Is it wrong to run the Audyssey first and then calibrate the two subs to 75dbs seperately. I read when you do it this way you get a 6db increase when you turn both subs on at the same time after calibrating to 75dbs. Is it wrong to leave the subs like this, rather than calibrating them both together? What is the reason why you turn off the EQ? So after I do it this way and use the SPL with both subs on I have the meter reading aroung 81dbs with the internal test tone and the receiver set to -3.5dbs.
post #626 of 5953
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Originally Posted by Pete_Hsu View Post

80Hz should be just fine! The -2 Mk3 (and other) subwoofers are very linear, even up to 200Hz.

Sincerely,

Thanks Pete!

I'm surprised at what a beast this thing is. I turned the gain up to 50% this evening while listening to some Oakenfold, as a result the dog ran away and the vibrations started skipping the Tosh A35 which I was using as a cd player. This is with the sub set to -3 on the 805. Oh and the A35 is at the direct opposite point of the room, about 14' away. So back down it goes to 30%. Simply awesome.
post #627 of 5953
Bori, you have to decide how hot you want to run your subs. Keep in mind that a 75db reading on the spl is already 3db hot (explained earlier in this thread). Now, if you run the subs with a reading of 81db then you are 9db hot. If you tend to listen to your movies/music at a high volume you may end up pushing the subs to its limit to the point of having distortion and or compression. You will also be overpowering the rest of your speakers theeby drowning them out, again, that is for you to decide. the point of getting a 6db boost while running dual subs is that you can now turn the gain knobs down on both subs so they aren't working as hard and you have more headroom.

As for the eq, you can calibrate it with the eq on if you like. When I initially calibrated my subs, to find where I was setting the gain knobs on both I chose to have the eq off, get the gain knobs set, then apply eq. If you run the eq first, then adjust the gain knobs, the settings that the eq was adjusting to have now changed so in effect you the eq may cut a frequency that it may no longer need to (I could be wrong on this so don't quote me).

Good luck
post #628 of 5953
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Originally Posted by Pharcyde23 View Post

Thanks Pete!

I'm surprised at what a beast this thing is. I turned the gain up to 50% this evening while listening to some Oakenfold, as a result the dog ran away and the vibrations started skipping the Tosh A35 which I was using as a cd player. This is with the sub set to -3 on the 805. Oh and the A35 is at the direct opposite point of the room, about 14' away. So back down it goes to 30%. Simply awesome.

Thanks for the feedback! The VTF-2 Mk3 is a real gem in my opinion for what it can do at the price point. Even with a discount on the VTF-3 Mk3, there is a $180 difference in landed cost. The cost savings, smaller size/weight,and in many ways equally great performance really make the -2 Mk3 an attractive option.
post #629 of 5953
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Originally Posted by Kevin12586 View Post

Bori, you have to decide how hot you want to run your subs. Keep in mind that a 75db reading on the spl is already 3db hot (explained earlier in this thread). Now, if you run the subs with a reading of 81db then you are 9db hot. If you tend to listen to your movies/music at a high volume you may end up pushing the subs to its limit to the point of having distortion and or compression. You will also be overpowering the rest of your speakers theeby drowning them out, again, that is for you to decide. the point of getting a 6db boost while running dual subs is that you can now turn the gain knobs down on both subs so they aren't working as hard and you have more headroom.

As for the eq, you can calibrate it with the eq on if you like. When I initially calibrated my subs, to find where I was setting the gain knobs on both I chose to have the eq off, get the gain knobs set, then apply eq. If you run the eq first, then adjust the gain knobs, the settings that the eq was adjusting to have now changed so in effect you the eq may cut a frequency that it may no longer need to (I could be wrong on this so don't quote me).

Good luck

Kevin I dont understand why is it running the subs too hot if I calibrated each separetly to 75dbs. When I turn them both on at the same time that is when they read around 81dbs. Wouldnt that be considered normal if you are running to subs at the same time?
post #630 of 5953
Maybe someone else can better explain it than me, but unless I am mistaken even with dual subs, you still want your subs signal to be 75bd or else it will overpower the rest of your speakers.

Peter, is this true?
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