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post #6061 of 6210
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Originally Posted by vince217 View Post

just purchased a VTF-2 Mk3 second hand... upgrading from a lowly Polk PSW10.

tried it out last night. i don't know if it was just me, but just the upgrade of the subwoofer (i have polk monitor speakers) made my whole system sound better. everything sounded so much clearer, to the point that i did not have to turn up the volume as much as I would have before. is this psychological, or a real effect that a good subwoofer does to improve everything?

in short, i am amazed.



Congrats! In short yes it can make a huge difference biggrin.gif
How did you set the level?
post #6062 of 6210
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Originally Posted by TVMAN1991 View Post

I think he's like 90% movies. He likes clean, articulate bass, but also likes decent output.

Hopefully Dr. Hsu will chime in as he's the expert, but doubt you'd go wrong either way. The 15h extends to 16hz, has Q control and runs ported or sealed. The ULS is stated to go down to 10hz in most rooms, almost twice the rms rated power, wireless capability...I've never heard either personally, just glowing opinions from owners and publications. I have a vtf3 mk3 and love it. How big is his room?
post #6063 of 6210
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Congrats! In short yes it can make a huge difference biggrin.gif
How did you set the level?

For me, a good sub made all the diff in the world with movies & music. I had a BIC F12 & went for a VTF2-Mk4 & it really is a totally different experience! Had Monitor 70s now I have RTi A7s & couldn't be more pleased! biggrin.gif
post #6064 of 6210
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Originally Posted by wtxgringo View Post

For me, a good sub made all the diff in the world with movies & music. I had a BIC F12 & went for a VTF2-Mk4 & it really is a totally different experience! Had Monitor 70s now I have RTi A7s & couldn't be more pleased! biggrin.gif



I'm glad your happy. I had a similar experience and had to get used to my new bass with the 15H's over a boomy def tech sub I had for years.
post #6065 of 6210
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Originally Posted by TVMAN1991 View Post

VTF15H vs ULS15 for a 12x18x8 room. My dad likes rumbling bass, but he doesnt usually turn it up that far.

If he listens mostly to movies, I would go for the 15H.
post #6066 of 6210
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Originally Posted by wtxgringo View Post

For me, a good sub made all the diff in the world with movies & music. I had a BIC F12 & went for a VTF2-Mk4 & it really is a totally different experience! Had Monitor 70s now I have RTi A7s & couldn't be more pleased! biggrin.gif

Me too. I felt the same going from Mirage S12 to VTF-15H. My whole system sounded so much better with fuller, enveloping sound; more like a commercial theater now.
post #6067 of 6210
Guys, I'm considering adding a VTF-2 MK 4 to my dual VTF-15H's. I have a funky room and I'm thinking of putting this in a corner where the bass is very heavy. How do the owners of this sub like it's performance? I'm not a down firing sub guy but it's about the size I need and the price is right. Also my pre has 2 sub outputs and sub EQ and I'm wondering the best way to set this up? Thanks.
post #6068 of 6210
I would not mix those. The VTF2's contribution to a dual VTF15h system will be negligible.
post #6069 of 6210
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

I would not mix those. The VTF2's contribution to a dual VTF15h system will be negligible.



I'm trying to get rid of a null at the LP. If I could place the 2 15H's where I wanted this wouldn't be a problem but my room is not dedicated. You don't think it has enough output?
post #6070 of 6210
What frequency is the null at? Bring one of your VTF15hs to the position and see how the response changes.
post #6071 of 6210
I've never measured it, and I wish I could move one of the 15H's there but it won't fit. This is a pic of where the bass is very heavy. I've considered a bass trap there but they don't really do anything below around 75hz or so. As you can see it's a small wall that separates (it hides the cabinets and counter) my living room from the kitchen.



post #6072 of 6210
I just ordered a vtf3-mk4. Pretty excited, but I'm hoping I made the right decision b/c I've been torn b/w that sub and the 15h. I spoke with someone at hsu and they thought the 3 mk4 would be plenty for my space. Its 16.5×16.5 with 14ft ceilings. One whole side is open to the foyer and dining room which also have 14ft ceilings. Another smaller opening goes into the dinette room with a 9ft ceiling. I was also looking at the svs pb12 nsd, and its smaller with less output than the 3 mk4 so I think I should be fine. It's not being delivered until next week so i still have time to change it if necessary. Thoughts?
post #6073 of 6210
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Originally Posted by tidwelr1 View Post

I just ordered a vtf3-mk4. Pretty excited, but I'm hoping I made the right decision b/c I've been torn b/w that sub and the 15h. I spoke with someone at hsu and they thought the 3 mk4 would be plenty for my space. Its 16.5×16.5 with 14ft ceilings. One whole side is open to the foyer and dining room which also have 14ft ceilings. Another smaller opening goes into the dinette room with a 9ft ceiling. I was also looking at the svs pb12 nsd, and its smaller with less output than the 3 mk4 so I think I should be fine. It's not being delivered until next week so i still have time to change it if necessary. Thoughts?



Congrats!
post #6074 of 6210
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Originally Posted by tidwelr1 View Post

I just ordered a vtf3-mk4. Pretty excited, but I'm hoping I made the right decision b/c I've been torn b/w that sub and the 15h. I spoke with someone at hsu and they thought the 3 mk4 would be plenty for my space. Its 16.5×16.5 with 14ft ceilings. One whole side is open to the foyer and dining room which also have 14ft ceilings. Another smaller opening goes into the dinette room with a 9ft ceiling. I was also looking at the svs pb12 nsd, and its smaller with less output than the 3 mk4 so I think I should be fine. It's not being delivered until next week so i still have time to change it if necessary. Thoughts?

 

Congrats on buying your vtf 3 mk4.
I'm sure it'll fill that space just fine but you alway's can get second vtf 3 mk4 to double the output :)
post #6075 of 6210
Does anyone else have any thoughts on what I posted above about adding the VTF-2 MK4 to my 2 15H's in the area pictured above? They seem to go down nearly as low as the 15H.
Edited by comfynumb - 12/21/13 at 11:50am
post #6076 of 6210
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Does anyone else have any thoughts on what I posted above about adding the VTF-2 MK4 to my 2 15H's in the area pictured above? They seem to go down nearly as low as the 15H.

Going by what your are describing in the posts above, you really have no other option but to try a VTF2-MK4 in that LP spot and see what it does to that null. Conventional wisdom says you should get a 3rd VTF15 to match the other 2, but since you would be placing the VTF2-MK4 nearfield, It should work fine without getting over-driven.

Try it... worst case scenario you have to send the VTF2-MK4 back.
post #6077 of 6210
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Originally Posted by Luis5150 View Post

Going by what your are describing in the posts above, you really have no other option but to try a VTF2-MK4 in that LP spot and see what it does to that null. Conventional wisdom says you should get a 3rd VTF15 to match the other 2, but since you would be placing the VTF2-MK4 nearfield, It should work fine without getting over-driven.

Try it... worst case scenario you have to send the VTF2-MK4 back.



That's pretty much how I feel, it's just a strange room and if it was dedicated I believe 2 15H's would be fine. I have one sub behind my couch that isn't near the rear wall already and one on the front wall also, and the latter ones bass is heavy in the corner of the pic I posted, but my 3 listening positions are 6 ft to the right of that chair. I appreciate your input, thanks.
post #6078 of 6210
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

That's pretty much how I feel, it's just a strange room and if it was dedicated I believe 2 15H's would be fine. I have one sub behind my couch that isn't near the rear wall already and one on the front wall also, and the latter ones bass is heavy in the corner of the pic I posted, but my 3 listening positions are 6 ft to the right of that chair. I appreciate your input, thanks.


You sure have a peculiar problem with that room.... I also thought about the MBM-12 for that funky corner and have the dual vtf15's take care of the "50Hz and under".
post #6079 of 6210
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Originally Posted by Luis5150 View Post

You sure have a peculiar problem with that room.... I also thought about the MBM-12 for that funky corner and have the dual vtf15's take care of the "50Hz and under".



Yes it's a living room, kitchen and dining area combo, and it is what it is for now. That mid bass sub is definitely interesting. I wish Dr. Hsu would comment, maybe I'll call them after the holidays.
post #6080 of 6210
Why don't you measure the response and figure out the issue first? Then using current subs and experimentation can see what will fix it. You can also see what is going on in the corner. Be up and measuring for ~$100 and laptop. Define the issue and come up with a plan to fix first imo.
post #6081 of 6210
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Originally Posted by Luke Kamp View Post

Why don't you measure the response and figure out the issue first? Then using current subs and experimentation can see what will fix it. You can also see what is going on in the corner. Be up and measuring for ~$100 and laptop. Define the issue and come up with a plan to fix first imo.



Hey Luke, I was going to get into REW after the holidays, although I am scared of how bad my room really is. I will take the plunge though smile.gif I'll need to purchase the mic and I know I can all the help I need from you guys that are much more graph literate than I am. I am very limited on sub placement.
post #6082 of 6210
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Hey Luke, I was going to get into REW after the holidays, although I am scared of how bad my room really is. I will take the plunge though smile.gif I'll need to purchase the mic and I know I can all the help I need from you guys that are much more graph literate than I am. I am very limited on sub placement.

It might not be that bad and it could be a simple tweak or adjustment here or there that would help out whatever the issue is. I would at least temporarily put one 15H behind that chair to see if it does anything to help out your problem. You could even turn that one down 6 dB or so compared to the other sub to simulate what a vtf-2 would do being mixed with more powerful subwoofers. You don't want to add a smaller sub and find out it only helps by leveling it with the 15H's, as that way your entire low end system will be limited to the headroom of the vtf2.

Personally I would just hold off on purchasing another sub until you have the ability to measure. If it turns out another smaller sub will fill in a null there or help smooth bass, then it will be much easier to properly integrate the three subwoofers since you already have the measuring capability and know how by that time to get the most out of the system.
post #6083 of 6210
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Originally Posted by Luke Kamp View Post

It might not be that bad and it could be a simple tweak or adjustment here or there that would help out whatever the issue is. I would at least temporarily put one 15H behind that chair to see if it does anything to help out your problem. You could even turn that one down 6 dB or so compared to the other sub to simulate what a vtf-2 would do being mixed with more powerful subwoofers. You don't want to add a smaller sub and find out it only helps by leveling it with the 15H's, as that way your entire low end system will be limited to the headroom of the vtf2.

Personally I would just hold off on purchasing another sub until you have the ability to measure. If it turns out another smaller sub will fill in a null there or help smooth bass, then it will be much easier to properly integrate the three subwoofers since you already have the measuring capability and know how by that time to get the most out of the system.



Understood and maybe I will try the one behind there temporarily just to see, although it can't stay there it's just way too big. I think I could put wheels on it and drive it lol. Agreed that I need to measure things and see where I'm at, I've come this far with the upgrades and might as well go all in.
post #6084 of 6210
Hsu HB-1 Mk2 and VT3 Mk4 Review (Hybrid 3 Package) Impressions

I wanted to provide my initial and some ongoing impressions of the Hsu HB-1s and VTF3. There’s only a handful of reviews and AVS members that have provided information, and learning about them can be tough since you can’t audition these unless you know someone that has some or you visit the Hsu Research offices.

My gear:
PS3 (Blu Rays)
CAL DX-1 CD Player
Marantz SR 6007 (as pre/pro)
Rotel RB 985 (Mk1) 5 Channel Power Amp
B&W DM 305
B&W DM 302
B&W CC3
HSU STF-2
Kimber Kable PBJ
Kimber Kable 8TC

Initial Impressions

Initially, I was somewhat disappointed with the sound of the HB-1s. The night before I’d watched Quantum of Solace on my old B&Ws, and when I watched the it on the HB-1's I immediately noticed that the strings in the opening scene were missing a lot of detail. Also, it seemed that the balance of the speaker was somewhat uneven, the highs were very quiet, and the bass was somewhat boomy. The opening scene of Batman Begins seemed off, too. Even the voices of a young Bruce Wayne and Rachel Hawes seemed lower in pitch than my current speakers. Just to double check, I thought I’d replay the scenes through my old speakers—the B&Ws, and I confirmed my impressions with both movies: a significant difference in detail and tonal balance. I tried two different headphones including a Grado SR 60, even more of a difference in the lack of detail.

I decided to give these speakers time to break in, and if after 20 days they didn’t improve, I’d return them. I would keep the sub, though. The VTF3 was immediately stunning. I’m coming from a Hsu STF-2, and though I liked it, I suspected it was too small for my living room, which opens into the kitchen, dining, and above the stairs to the second floor. The VTF3 was straight away more than enough. At half volume, it shook me in my seat and thumped against my chest, and it was very clean, tight bass too. Yes, the sub was definitely staying.

The next day I left the radio on low volume for some 6-7 hours, and then I put in Return of the King. I was floored at the dynamic range of these speakers. The scene where Frodo, Samwise, and Smeagol are at the gates of Mordor, and the Nazgul flies out was one I remembered from watching it in the theater. The sound went from the whisper of their voices, to the crack of thunder, and louder still to the sound of the orcs marching out. I really thought this would be the point at which the speakers would just give up, but then you could clearly hear the strings from the soundtrack come in, and finally the shriek of the Nazgul at a ridiculously loud level. You could feel the sound of the Nazgul wings flapping, just as you could in the theater. This is why I wanted these speakers in the first place!!! At this point, I forgot all about critically listening to these speakers, and I just enjoyed the rest of the movie.

The next day, I wanted to replay that scene, and in the process, I realized that I’d had several EQ settings on that I wasn’t aware of. The Marantz SR6007 is new to me, having come from a Marantz SR4600, and so is Audyssey XT. I turned off all EQ, and the character of the speaker completely changed. The balance was now right, and the detail was there. At this point, the speakers are about 20 hours in to their break-in period. I checked the opening sequence of Quantum of Solace again and now, you could here real texture and detail to the strings. It was such a difference that it is hard to believe that it was just the EQ, but now the speakers definitely sound different, and they sound very, very good. With Batman Begins, Bruce and Rachel’s were not longer too low in pitch and boxy, they were just right.

I’ve got about 40 hours on them now, and it’s become much more difficult to spend time listening to them critically. All I want to do is to watch more movies. They sound right and transparent. The soundstage is huge, and there is real depth to it. They are neutral and don’t have a forward or bright balance. They are easy to listen for long periods of time, and they can play at reference levels with ease. I love these speakers. Someone in some thread mentioned that they heard a vibration, a kind of buzzing coming from one of the speakers that wasn’t present with other speakers or headphones. I noticed this too, but I then discovered that since I used banana plugs I failed to fully tighten the binding post, and it was the loose binding post nut that was causing the vibration. That was easily fixed.

In the end, because the EQ from the receiver undermined my ability to tell whether these speakers were great out of the box or they actually needed some break in time, I strongly encourage anyone who’s thinking of getting these to give them some time to break in.

TL;DR: Great speakers, but you can’t judge their sound until they have had time to break in.

edit: left out some gear in gear list.
Edited by Fabbas - 2/4/14 at 10:03am
post #6085 of 6210
Fabbbas -- I have a setup similar to yours so I was glad to learn that you ended up being as happy with yours as I am with mine. I have a 7.1 system comprised of an HC-1 center speaker, 6 HB-1 bookshelf speakers, and a VTF 3.3 Turbo subwoofer, I have had the smaller speakers for 5 years and the sub for 6 months longer than that and have been incredibly happy with them. When I moved to Tulsa from OKC last summer, I hired a local specialty audio outfit to wire and install my home theater setup in the new house I was having built. The guys who did the work were blown away by the incredible sound of the Hsu speakers. Enjoy your system! If your experience turns out to be anything like mine your Hsu speakers will give you yeoman service for years to come.
Edited by gwsat - 2/4/14 at 12:18pm
post #6086 of 6210
Thank you for a nice review! Glad you loved them.
post #6087 of 6210
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Originally Posted by Fabbas View Post

Hsu HB-1 Mk2 and VT3 Mk4 Review (Hybrid 3 Package) Impressions

I wanted to provide my initial and some ongoing impressions of the Hsu HB-1s and VTF3. ...

... Great speakers, but you can’t judge their sound until they have had time to break in.

Thanks for your post. For some time I’ve been planning (my wife calls it scheming) to get the 5.0 package. Now I want it even more!smile.gif
post #6088 of 6210
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Originally Posted by Fabbas View Post

Hsu HB-1 Mk2 and VT3 Mk4 Review (Hybrid 3 Package) Impressions

I wanted to provide my initial and some ongoing impressions of the Hsu HB-1s and VTF3. There’s only a handful of reviews and AVS members that have provided information, and learning about them can be tough since you can’t audition these unless you know someone that has some or you visit the Hsu Research offices.

My gear:
PS3 (Blu Rays)
CAL DX-1 CD Player
Marantz SR 6007 (as pre/pro)
Rotel RB 985 (Mk1) 5 Channel Power Amp
B&W DM 305
B&W DM 302
B&W CC3
HSU STF-2
Kimber Kable PBJ
Kimber Kable 8TC

Initial Impressions

Initially, I was somewhat disappointed with the sound of the HB-1s. The night before I’d watched Quantum of Solace on my old B&Ws, and when I watched the it on the HB-1's I immediately noticed that the strings in the opening scene were missing a lot of detail. Also, it seemed that the balance of the speaker was somewhat uneven, the highs were very quiet, and the bass was somewhat boomy. The opening scene of Batman Begins seemed off, too. Even the voices of a young Bruce Wayne and Rachel Hawes seemed lower in pitch than my current speakers. Just to double check, I thought I’d replay the scenes through my old speakers—the B&Ws, and I confirmed my impressions with both movies: a significant difference in detail and tonal balance. I tried two different headphones including a Grado SR 60, even more of a difference in the lack of detail.

I decided to give these speakers time to break in, and if after 20 days they didn’t improve, I’d return them. I would keep the sub, though. The VTF3 was immediately stunning. I’m coming from a Hsu STF-2, and though I liked it, I suspected it was too small for my living room, which opens into the kitchen, dining, and above the stairs to the second floor. The VTF3 was straight away more than enough. At half volume, it shook me in my seat and thumped against my chest, and it was very clean, tight bass too. Yes, the sub was definitely staying.

The next day I left the radio on low volume for some 6-7 hours, and then I put in Return of the King. I was floored at the dynamic range of these speakers. The scene where Frodo, Samwise, and Smeagol are at the gates of Mordor, and the Nazgul flies out was one I remembered from watching it in the theater. The sound went from the whisper of their voices, to the crack of thunder, and louder still to the sound of the orcs marching out. I really thought this would be the point at which the speakers would just give up, but then you could clearly hear the strings from the soundtrack come in, and finally the shriek of the Nazgul at a ridiculously loud level. You could feel the sound of the Nazgul wings flapping, just as you could in the theater. This is why I wanted these speakers in the first place!!! At this point, I forgot all about critically listening to these speakers, and I just enjoyed the rest of the movie.

The next day, I wanted to replay that scene, and in the process, I realized that I’d had several EQ settings on that I wasn’t aware of. The Marantz SR6007 is new to me, having come from a Marantz SR4600, and so is Audyssey XT. I turned off all EQ, and the character of the speaker completely changed. The balance was now right, and the detail was there. At this point, the speakers are about 20 hours in to their break-in period. I checked the opening sequence of Quantum of Solace again and now, you could here real texture and detail to the strings. It was such a difference that it is hard to believe that it was just the EQ, but now the speakers definitely sound different, and they sound very, very good. With Batman Begins, Bruce and Rachel’s were not longer too low in pitch and boxy, they were just right.

I’ve got about 40 hours on them now, and it’s become much more difficult to spend time listening to them critically. All I want to do is to watch more movies. They sound right and transparent. The soundstage is huge, and there is real depth to it. They are neutral and don’t have a forward or bright balance. They are easy to listen for long periods of time, and they can play at reference levels with ease. I love these speakers. Someone in some thread mentioned that they heard a vibration, a kind of buzzing coming from one of the speakers that wasn’t present with other speakers or headphones. I noticed this too, but I then discovered that since I used banana plugs I failed to fully tighten the binding post, and it was the loose binding post nut that was causing the vibration. That was easily fixed.

In the end, because the EQ from the receiver undermined my ability to tell whether these speakers were great out of the box or they actually needed some break in time, I strongly encourage anyone who’s thinking of getting these to give them some time to break in.

TL;DR: Great speakers, but you can’t judge their sound until they have had time to break in.

edit: left out some gear in gear list.

Once you got the HSU's dialed in, did you hook your B&Ws back up to do another comparison. I've be interested to hear how they compared.
post #6089 of 6210
A couple of questions about the MBM for any owners or the good Dr. himself.

I understand the reasoning for placing the MBM near field, more impact. But since it operates from 50-250, wouldn't that make it very localizable since frequencies >80 are? Maybe less so if positioned right behind the LP or with multiples. I have a vtf3.3 and love it. It's near field right next to my spot on the couch and is itself localizable until about 60hz, which is where it takes over. Seems like this would be especially significant with dialogue and would appear beneficial if placed btw mains or just up front somewhere within the soundstage.

I love the idea of an MBM and know it'd be great if incorporated properly, just trying to figure out if it'd work for me.

Any info is appreciated!
post #6090 of 6210
Could somebody please post some pics of the VTF2 MK4. I'm curious what the paint really looks like, it's hard to tell from the pics on the Hsu website. Thanks!
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