When are the 2007 Sony SXRD TV's coming out? - Page 8

The Ruby must show it at a multiple of 24 (i.e., 48, 72, 96 or 120). At 24fps you would see "flicker", like the old movies.

well being that I've already got a 60" I can wait till 08. That TV looks GREAT!!!!!!

I just want to get something without the "large"GWIII cabinet

Yes, thank you, that is what I was trying (badly, I guess) to articulate a few pages ago...

Doesn't say anything about HDMI 1.3. I thought that was going to be on the newer XBR models???

You are really stuck on that "flicker" thing, aren't you walk ole buddy? (grin) Unfortunately, I think you highlighted the wrong part of Owen's post.

As others have tried to tell you (badly, I guess?), current SXRD's that refresh at 60HZ don't really have a problem with "flicker" to begin with so increasing the the refresh rate to 120Hz has nothing at all whatsoever to do with trying to eliminate this non-existent "flicker". I'm not sure why you seem to be so adamant about making the point that increasing the refresh rate to 120Hz has anything to do with flicker since that was never the intention behind making the change to begin with.

Increasing the refresh rate to 120Hz has everything to do with trying to come up with a simple and cheaper way to address the judder seen when converting 24 frame per second film sources to 60fps (simpler and cheaper than having a display with multiple different refresh rates for different sources, that is). Explain to us again why coming up with a simple and cheaper way to eliminate the judder seen in film sources is a bad thing.

Actually my point was that 72hz would be enough to eliminate "judder", and so I don't see the benefit of going any higher - since going beyond 72hz would only help eliminate "flicker" - which as you said (and I said, and everyone else has said...), these type of TVs do not suffer from.

Perhaps 120hz is nice since you don't need (expensive) multi-sync technology, but I never disputed that.

However, since I have never seen "judder" to be a major problem, with any type of display, I simply don't think 120hz is a feature really worth "waiting for" - if people are on the cusp of either picking up an A2000/2020 now, or waiting for the "2007" A3000s/etc... That's all.

72Hz doesn't help you with 30FPS and 60FPS sources. You would then need separate "modes" or what not to view both TV and film. 120Hz lets you see 24p film based content. 30 and 60fps video game and TV content, etc

I don't really consider judder to be a HUGE deal but it would be nice to not have it as a factor AT ALL, at least on an XBR level, top end HDTV. I could definitely see the lower end A3000/whatever not bothering to incoporate different frame rates, though.

No benefit? A fixed 72Hz display would indeed fix the judder with 24fps sources, but it would just introduce judder with 30/60fps sources. That would not be a good thing.


If there's no problem with 120Hz- and you now understand the potential benefits-, I'm just not sure why you felt the need to bring up (and emphasize) the whole 120Hz/flicker thing again.


I think that I follow your logic. So, since I have personally never seen a problem with rainbows on a DLP, people who are bothered by rainbows should just suck it up and buy a DLP now anyway- there's no point in waiting for (or even looking for?) a simple and cheap solution since it doesn't bother me?

No offense, but I think you're trying to reinvent your point. I don't want to tell you your business, but maybe you should have quit right after you said, "You're right, 120 is a multiple of 24 (and 30 and 60), I forgot about that."

Just my $0.02

Um. Ok.

Why bring up flicker for LCOS? Like lcd's and dlp it doesn't flicker because of how it's drawn. They could have probably engineered the tv to draw only 24 updates a second for film if they wanted to, but it would have made the logic more complex then having everything set to 120hz and multiplying the original frame rate.

Just to add my two cents worth:

There would be absolutetly no benefit running 24fps or 72fps versus 120fps. Do the math - 1/24=42ms per frame; 3/72=42ms per frame (each film frame repeated 3 times); 5/120=42ms per frame (each film frame repeated 5 times).

In addition, there are distinct disadvantages to doing 72fps: more complicated circuitry to allow the display to do multiple scan rates and greater lag switching from one scan rate to another.

C'mon now let the judder/flicker discussion die. We get it.

120hz does not eliminate flicker as the technology doesn't flicker in the first place.

120hz does eliminate judder for all three common framerates 24, 30, and 60.

What the heck. Why not do 600Hz (fps), then there wouldn't be any changes needed to accomodate PAL too.

Because you'd still have a problem with 24fps?

No. 600fps is evenly divisible by 24. Each frame would repeat 25 times.

Ah yeah. Math > Me. Would help if I tried to calculated it.

120 does it too, though.

Not for PAL/SECAM, which are 25/50.

oh snap.

Why not standardize a global power delivery system while we're making wishes?

Eh, those euro/PAL guys are on their own. I just want 120.

If there was nothing new, I would not upgrade. I found no reason to upgrade my 60XBR1, though the 70" part of the 70XBR2 is mighty attractive. At this point, the only thing I'm thinking that will get me to upgrade is a 75XBR3 with 120hz and dual HD tuners.

what does dual HD tuners do compare to xbr2?

HD on both sides of Twin View. XBR2 does that about as well as the XBR1 (not at all - you only get SD on the right side and on Favorites, etc).

Thanks UxiSXRD.
This week, I talked to a Sony manager about xbr3, and he said currently there are no info on xbr3 RPTV even though many online forums brought up xbr3 topic. He said Sony is having excellent sales on their xbr2 sets.

Of course he said that, he wants the interest to be on the current models and not shift to something that is not even out yet...

wadda_salad,
How could you possibly know that the XBR3's have the defect?

Please stop spamming every thread that mentions the Sony SXRD. Anybody who's done any research on them knows about the possibility of the "green blob." We're not morons.

Are there any DVD players out there that don't use 3:2 pull down, so you can take advantage of the 120 hz on this tv.

I'm sure it would be best to have a DVD player output 24 Hz and eliminate any chance of error, but surely these new 120 Hz displays will be smart enough to see a 60 Hz 3:2 cadence and do whatever needs to be done to get to 120 Hz with no judder, won't they?

I think unless you have an engineering degree or some sort of proof other then a bogus lawsuit for the XBR1 which was released in 2005, your going to look like you were hired by samsung. I think everyone here agrees if something isn't right we should complain and do something..but the xbr2 and kds2000/2020 series TVs are highly reguarded everywhere for their price and picture quality. If this was late 2005, some people might agree with you, but in early 2007 this is a bad joke.

A quote from Wadda could have saved much searching

my a2000 looks perfect with no such green blob. hell even the color uniformity is perfect with all white background.