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ISCO II vs. ISCO III

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
I know that there is a big size difference between the ISCO II and ISCO III lenses. ISCO III can therefor accommodate shorter throw or a projector with a bigger lens/light beam.

My question is whether the ISCO II and ISCO III have equal optical qualities (purity of the glass, CA, etc.)? Will you get the same picture quality with both lenses as long as you use a long throw setup (factor of 2.0+)?

Have any of you tested both lenses in the same setup?
post #2 of 28
Good question. I'd also like to know if the ISCO II is generally good enough for a good 1080p projector (at long enough throw).
post #3 of 28
I just ordered the ISCOIII should arrive tomorrow, if youre using a good 1080p projector why wouldnt you get the Isco III Alan gouger swears by it, yes it will cost you more but so will a good 1080p projector, and no the optical quality of the ISCOII cannot compare with that of the ISCOIII you get what you pay for, at least in this case you do
post #4 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by funlvr1965 View Post

I just ordered the ISCOIII should arrive tomorrow, if youre using a good 1080p projector why wouldnt you get the Isco III Alan gouger swears by it, yes it will cost you more but so will a good 1080p projector, and no the optical quality of the ISCOII cannot compare with that of the ISCOIII you get what you pay for, at least in this case you do

I do of course understand that you get what you pay for. But lets face it, the ISCO II at $2000, should also be a good lens. If you use the same amount on camera optics you will get something that is very good! It seems to me that the attitude here on the forums is "buy the ISCO III or nothing at all". We need to realize that he ISCO III is WAY to expensive for a lot of us.

The question is whether the ISCO II is good enough for 1080p projectors at long throw. I think that it is, but I have never tried one.
post #5 of 28
Point to note - previous posts about the ISCO II state that this lens also expands the image vertically as well as being an anamorphic horizontal expansion lens. So if your planing on CIH with a sled, you will have to adjust the zoom every time you move the lens out of the light path...

Mark
post #6 of 28
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Originally Posted by CAVX View Post

Point to note - previous posts about the ISCO II state that this lens also expands the image vertically as well as being an anamorphic horizontal expansion lens. So if your planing on CIH with a sled, you will have to adjust the zoom every time you move the lens out of the light path...

Mark

See you get what you pay for , but seriously it was not an easy decision mentally or financially to get the ISCOIII trust me my approach was one of taking the guess work out of an area that im not very familiar with, let the better components do all the heavy lifting, the last thing I need to do is start wondering if there is a weak link in the chain or if im just doing something wrong and my approach will just leave me and my implementation of the components as the culprit not the necessarily the components themselves but I do agree its a very expensive approach and one that I hope will pay dividends for years to come, best of luck with your decision it can be a real gut twister I know, its taken me almost a year to come to this decision, maybe look at the UH380 panamorph?
post #7 of 28
I think I can reasonably say this without significant perceived bias . The Isco III is substantially better than the II. The II is not as well corrected for astigmatism (ie image not as sharp). At 1080p this will be fairly noticeable at the pixel level. And yes, the II is not a complete expansion lens as Mark says. Remember that if you buy a really good (and reasonably large) lens you probably won't need to buy another one as you upgrade your system.
post #8 of 28
from what I understand Shawns lens is the only real alternative to the ISCOIII and as I see it the only real solution to your problem, Shawn can you sled be modified to work with the ISCOIII?
post #9 of 28
Thread Starter 
I agree with you. I also think that a lens like the ISCO III/Schneider Cine-digitar (or the Panamorph U380 or Primasonic 1500) is the ultimate goal. I am just wondering how far I get with the ISCO II in comparison? I am quite sure I will aim for the best in a few years time, but until that day comes an used ISCO II lenses can be had fairly cheap. The more expensive ones are almost never sold 2nd. hand, because you can keep it if you change projector. Also, at the moment you cannot upgrade from the ISCO III/Schneider Cine-digitar... There are no better products.
post #10 of 28
Actually I have both the ISco3 and the Isco 2. The Isco 2 is a really good lens. Very sharp and and has a focus ring for Chroma aberration which puts it ahead of all prism based lens. It also passes very good contrast. Its short comings are ( compared to the Isco 3 ) it has a little more pin cushion but most important it has adds a small zoom factor when placed in front of the image. If you are leaving it in place at all times it is a great lens with 95% of the performance of the Isco 3. The Aperture is much smaller then the Isco 3. Depending on what projector you are using if that is a negative or not for you. The Schneider is also a good lens but for the money it is lacking aperture size.

Something I am looking into and will report on soon is loss of ANSI contrast from any glass put in front of your projector. This includes filters. There are some pros and cons to both designs, prism based and the Iscos. The Iscos still have the least effect on ansi contrast over any prism lens yet the prism has the design advantage. More on this later.
post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

The Iscos still have the least effect on ansi contrast over any prism lens yet the prism has the design advantage. More on this later.

Yes please...

Mark
post #12 of 28
To add a bit of clarification, chromatic and other aberrations can indeed be corrected in both cylindrical and prism based (or hybrid) lenses, and the degree of that correction actually depends on the design of a particular lens model.

funlvr1965 - the M380 can certainly be adapted to drive the Isco III and has been used this way already. We don't promote this a whole lot but basically you just have to modify the lens plate on the M380 to accept the Isco III bracket. At this point we do not do the modification ourselves.
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

The Aperture is much smaller then the Isco 3. Depending on what projector you are using if that is a negative or not for you.

@Alan, thanks very much, I was hoping you'd chime in here... Could you please add some more details about with what kind of projector the smaller Aperture would be a problem?
post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by madshi View Post

@Alan, thanks very much, I was hoping you'd chime in here... Could you please add some more details about with what kind of projector the smaller Aperture would be a problem?

I cannot name spacific models from lack of personal hands on but anything with a short throw or with steep offset or reset lens could cause problems. Not saying these projectors will not work but you will want to to use them at their smallest zoom, placing them at their longest throw range keeping the image hitting the entrance of the lens at its smallest possible size.
post #15 of 28
Thanks!
post #16 of 28
Thread Starter 
I think the specs for the ISCO II states that the maximum lightbeam hitting the lens should be 1,3" or less.
post #17 of 28
My experience:

The ISCO II adds 1.6" of total height at the corners and 1.0" to the center to a 53.5" tall image. This is at a 1.8x tr on a PE8720 ... so its about a 1.5-3% zoom factor depending on the amount of pincushion.

The sharpness loss in virtually non-existent in this setup once playing with the ring to get it right. The overscan is taken care of with 5.25" triple-black velvet .. so I don't mind it ... I just enjoy the movie.
post #18 of 28
Well Alan just like you told me on the phone Im pretty surprised at the size of the ISCOIII lens that arrived today, big and heavy for a lens is the only way I can describe it now I just have to figure out which ends goes where in the mount, I may have to mount it to a drop pole from the ceiling with a manual slide, I need to get some ideas, once again you were right its a big one, pictures can really describe it.
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post #19 of 28
Funlvr,

From the look of the last image you've attached, you have the rear of the lens against your body.

Tip, when you look into the front of the lens, the rear elements should look like a vertical oval...

Mark
post #20 of 28
when I screw the lens into the bracket at its tightening point the oval portion is not aligned vertically does that matter?
post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by funlvr1965 View Post

when I screw the lens into the bracket at its tightening point the oval portion is not aligned vertically does that matter?

Yes it will. The oval must be vertical or your image will be skewed...

Mark
post #22 of 28
Don't be afraid to "over" tighten the lens. My II was about 75-80 degrees to vertical when it seemed like it was fully in there .... a little work got it to vertical. If it is stuck ... remove it and try again .... don't use all your might .. but don't be afraid to give it a little convincing.

Like CAVX said ... the image will be crazy skewed if its not 100% vertical.
post #23 of 28
Ill give it another try later tonight,
post #24 of 28
So how did you go?

Mark
post #25 of 28
Oh man. I keep envisioning a 2:35:1 set up for my plunge into front projection, which will be in our living room. Then I see pictures of these GIGANTIC lenses and despair of trying to fit them into the scenario in any aesthetically acceptable way. A projector like the RS1 (which I'm planning on) is a tough enough sell to the wife on it's own.

Dang. What to do?!
post #26 of 28
Except the inevitable - It is just a part of the required hardware for CIH...

...and size does matter

Mark
post #27 of 28
Take the sticker off of the receiver there CAVX .... it would look so much nicer Love the champagne finish
post #28 of 28
Good point Its been on there since I bought it (a long time ago) and I don't even notice it anymore...

The reason for having the AVR in this shot is to give some idea of scale...

Mark
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