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post #1 of 25
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Will vista permit the storage of cable card recorded content into a separate raid array with super high capcity like this?



Rackmount pro.

Thanks
post #2 of 25
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

Will vista permit the storage of cable card recorded content into a separate raid array with super high capcity

AFAIK, NAS should be no different than local/direct access storage. But the decryption and decoding could only happen in the original PC and the V2 vista MCE extender.
post #3 of 25
sure...slap something on that raid box that offers an iSCSI target....then use the built in iSCSI suport in Vista to add the raid drives as "local" storage.
post #4 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thanks Guys. That is very encouraging. In looking at the specs in these 8U high server units, I see they use 500GB as a maximum drive. Is there a reason for that as we now have 750Gygabyte Seagates and 1,000Gyg Hitachis coming out. Is there an electrical consumption limitation one should be aware of?
post #5 of 25
Except that it's all heavily DRM'd and as soon as your motherboard dies or something else fails that takes away your ability to play that media.

You will loose the ability to play every copy protected file at some point guaranteed.
Even analog...

No computer lasts forever, and just the OS being destroyed in a cable card system will completely screw you and none of it will ever play again. One virus, one registry loss, one failed motherboard, one cpu smoking, you name it and you'll never get access to another one of those files again.

All that work for nothing ...

Troy
post #6 of 25
Thread Starter 
Wow bummer, there is no backup provision.

But if it was a system supported by a Manufacturer say Vidabox or Niveus or S1, it could be sent back to the manufacturer for repair and authetication, No?
post #7 of 25
no
post #8 of 25
Anything to backup that answer pcCinema?

I personally don't know the answer, but I would see no reason why replacing the motherboard with a dup would not work.

Chris
post #9 of 25
Thread Starter 
So if I buy a Niveus or Vidabox and something goes bad with the motherboard I loose my content? That is so draconic to think. DRM has to be a little more haumane than that.
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by ChrisL01 View Post

but I would see no reason why replacing the motherboard with a dup would not work.

Chris

Then the content recorded by Niveus A should be playable by Niveus A clone? As long as someone could extract ACPI_SLIC table from the BIOS, they can build a clone(someone already did so).
post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

So if I buy a Niveus or Vidabox and something goes bad with the motherboard I loose my content? That is so draconic to think. DRM has to be a little more haumane than that.

How about DVR from cable telco? If the DVR fails, I think your recording is gone too.
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by lymzy View Post

Then the content recorded by Niveus A should be playable by Niveus A clone? As long as someone could extract ACPI_SLIC table from the BIOS, they can build a clone(someone already did so).

Good point.

Chris
post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by lymzy View Post

How about DVR from cable telco? If the DVR fails, I think your recording is gone too.

Whats 30 hours of content though? In the other case we are talking thousands of hours, that hurts.
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by pcCinema View Post

Except that it's all heavily DRM'd and as soon as your motherboard dies or something else fails that takes away your ability to play that media.

You will loose the ability to play every copy protected file at some point guaranteed.
Even analog...

No computer lasts forever, and just the OS being destroyed in a cable card system will completely screw you and none of it will ever play again. One virus, one registry loss, one failed motherboard, one cpu smoking, you name it and you'll never get access to another one of those files again.

All that work for nothing ...

Troy


Ok with all of that in mind, how would you suggest that we record and store Encrypted cable and satellite programing?
post #15 of 25
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Ok with all of that in mind, how would you suggest that we record and store Encrypted cable and satellite programing?

http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/home.htm
post #16 of 25
Can't you back up the license along with the actual content?
post #17 of 25
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But this is not something stable that a custom installer can set and forget. cORRECT?
post #18 of 25
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Great except:

Won't work with most cable systems as it requires the 5c flag to be turned off, and it only supports the Motorola DCT2000 boxes....not too many systems use that box any more. What do you do if your cable co is like mine and uses SA boxes?

The life span on DirecTv will be short lived. They do not support any of the new mpeg4 boxes on Direct....

As soon as the providers turn on the CIT flags and the DOT flag...this whole thing stops working....

Not the type of solution that I want to invest that type of money in. ($700 to $800 per tuner)
post #19 of 25
"Can't you back up the license along with the actual content?"

No, there is no license to back up.

As for replacing the motherboard yes I suppose if you can copy whatever data is on it to uniquely identify it to the drm then sure you could swap it out. Change a socketed chip or reprogram an eeprom or whatever they use. Or you could try to get it component level repaired too, good luck with that though unless it's just a bad cap or something.

If the cpu chip is swapped, well, there's no way to fix that one.

Maybe one day some genius hacker will give us a way to completely cripple this DRM too, but just don't count on it at least for a while. MCE2005 has been out a long time and the DRM on analog recordings still can't be removed that I know of. (it can be before recording, but not after.)

There is no *legal* way to get what anyone would want with a setup like this. Clearly you are going to all this trouble to create a collection that should last you, but it will only last as long as your hardware and software last without a re-install or any major upgrade. (better have a good backup of the OS and make sure it restores properly before recording a lot of stuff.)

If you want something permanently you are expected to buy the dvd.

"Ok with all of that in mind, how would you suggest that we record and store Encrypted cable and satellite programing?"

I suggest you record only what you intend to throw away, only what you expect to be temporary or just don't buy into this bs at all. Buy dvd's for things you want to keep, or become a netflix subscriber and you can rent and re-rent things as often as you like. Cable and sat become only good for live stuff or things you won't wait for the dvd to come out.

It is very much like the cable companies dvr as someone said earlier. You don't own the content on it, if it dies they have no obligation to even feel bad for you loosing your recordings and certainly won't do anything to help you recover access to them.

Troy
post #20 of 25
I know the cable co's (really the content providers) don't want us to permanently keep recordings, but with cablecard support it seems like we are agonizingly close to having a solution to archive premium HD content.

I currently have both a Motorola 6412 and the HR20 and am upset at how quickly I fill them with movies from StarzHD and HDNet movies.

So, assuming they don't implement any "Delete after 30 days" DRM (which would make this all a moot point), what is the easiest way to get virtually unlimited storage for premium HD content?
post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

But this is not something stable that a custom installer can set and forget. cORRECT?

It's far from perfect, but I don't have the DRM virus on my recordings. So I can transfer my HD movies to a 500GB usb drive and play it on my linux laptop in the RV connected to my projector via RGB while on vacation.
post #22 of 25
Thread Starter 
DRM Virus, LOL!
post #23 of 25
Thread Starter 
This is more like what I had in Mind:





Features
- 12.1" motorized TFT touch screen display
- 1920x1080 TFT resolution support
- One piece 5mm aluminium front & sides
- Hidden optical media bay, USB hub, audio & firewire
- Matched optical drive bezel
- Built-in remote receiver module
- Store up to 875 hours of HDTV (5.25TB of storage)!

Specifications
Front
- 12.1" TFT integrated touch screen
- (1) Optical drive bay for Blu-ray, HD DVD, or DVD±RW
- (1) CompactFlash, SD card readers
- (2) USB Ports
- (1) 6-Pin firewire (IEEE-1394)
- System activity LED indicators

Rear
- (2) CableCARD slots for digital cable tuning
- DVI output
- (4) USB 2.0 ports
- (1) PS/2 keyboard input
- (1) PS/2 mouse input
- (2) 6-Pin firewire (IEEE-1394) port
- (1) TV-out port, S-Video, Composite, YPbPr
- (1) Parallel port
- (2) Dual 10/100/1000 ethernet ports
- (1) RS-232 serial port
- (1) SPDIF optical output port
- (1) SPDIF coaxial output port
- (4) Analog audio ports (up to 7.1) surround sound

* - Specifications subject to change on final system release

The estimated List Price $24,999 when it ships in April.

This includes the following upgrades:
- 5.25TB of storage-Blu-ray drive-
- dual CableCARD tuners-
- super high quality audio card
- 4GB of DDR2 800MHz RAM for multi-zone streaming
post #24 of 25
CINERAMAX - Now that is what I call a Home Theater PC. That's exactly what I had in mind for being able to easily archive premium HD content. Of course, it's way out of my price range, but since we are dreaming do you have any more details on it such as:

- Can you get both an HD DVD & Blu-Ray drive (like you can with some of their other HTPC's)
- Would this work Sony or Niveaus DVD changer?
- To really maximize being able to archive premium HD content, I suppose you would limit saving only the software and TV content to the 5.25 TB drives and all other content (music, videos, photos, etc) to a NAS.

This looks like it is really getting close to being an all-in solution, especially with their Karoake support. So outside of wanting to play a DVD-A, SACD, or video game, you could really use this as your one component and connect it directly to an amp and skip the receiver/pre-amp.

One final note, since we are talking about a Raid system, is there any update on managed copy for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray or could we hope for a HD-DVD and/or Blu-Ray changer from Niveaus. I know changer's are old-school technology, but the cost of a Raid system to store 200 HD discs has still got to be more expansive than a changer (and much easier from a DRM perspective).
post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by sipester View Post

CINERAMAX - Now that is what I call a Home Theater PC. That's exactly what I had in mind for being able to easily archive premium HD content. Of course, it's way out of my price range, but since we are dreaming do you have any more details on it such as:

- Can you get both an HD DVD & Blu-Ray drive (like you can with some of their other HTPC's)
- Would this work Sony or Niveaus DVD changer?
- To really maximize being able to archive premium HD content, I suppose you would limit saving only the software and TV content to the 5.25 TB drives and all other content (music, videos, photos, etc) to a NAS.

This looks like it is really getting close to being an all-in solution, especially with their Karoake support. So outside of wanting to play a DVD-A, SACD, or video game, you could really use this as your one component and connect it directly to an amp and skip the receiver/pre-amp.

One final note, since we are talking about a Raid system, is there any update on managed copy for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray or could we hope for a HD-DVD and/or Blu-Ray changer from Niveaus. I know changer's are old-school technology, but the cost of a Raid system to store 200 HD discs has still got to be more expansive than a changer (and much easier from a DRM perspective).

There will be dual drives out by summer from LG and Samsung ( with full feature HD DVD).

You can use a Sony or Niveus, Or Monster Life(new brand from Monster to be introduced in 10 days). I agree to use NAS for the other media.

There will be managed copy for both with release 2. The media center extenders V2 will have full 1080p res. , the current xbox 360 is downressed. I am sure there will be changers, the sony of course will only be Blue Ray.

Glad I am not alone with the vision of where Media Center Needs to be going.
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