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post #1 of 15
2/28/07 at 7:09am
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Ulead has just released Movie Factory 6, which includes AVCHD editing.

Haven't tried it yet so i have no idea how reliable it is.
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post #2 of 15
3/10/07 at 5:53pm
I bought mf6 just because it claims rather vigorously that it supports avchd import/edit and conversion.

This is NOT true! It absolutely will not import m2ts avchd files taken from my Sony hdr2r1. The same appears to be true of panasonic camera files. check out the product forum for many user complaints

It is disgusting that they could so blatantly misrepresent what their product does. Here are some samples of their misrepresentations:

from Ulead web site
"Enhanced Format Support

AVCHD Camcorder support - import High-Definition files from AVCHD camcorders that shoot on either hard drive or DVD. "

or from the MF6 Users manual:

"DVD MovieFactory also allows you to import AVCHD video, a format developed by
Sony and Panasonic-parent Matsushita."

or just read the product press releases which are all over the web.

They simply are NOT true
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post #3 of 15
3/10/07 at 8:44pm
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Yeah... I sort of figured as much... not at all surprised to hear. Ulead has ALWAYS felt it more important to beat others to the head of the line as opposed to actually getting it right. They also CLAIM to be able to do Blu ray disks... what they sort of forget to tell you is that it's data burning only... not disk authoring.

Pretty shady!
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post #4 of 15
3/12/07 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by blackbill View Post

Yeah... I sort of figured as much... not at all surprised to hear. Ulead has ALWAYS felt it more important to beat others to the head of the line as opposed to actually getting it right. They also CLAIM to be able to do Blu ray disks... what they sort of forget to tell you is that it's data burning only... not disk authoring.

Pretty shady!

Actually, MF5 version 000.0 does do the BD disk authoring and I have personally authored a few BD disks on red laser media that played in Samsung BD player. BTW PS3 will play any raw .m2t video files be it HDV or AVCHD.

Unfortunately Ulead pulled out that feature after the initial MF5 release because of licensing issues with Sony (according to rumors). Let there be no doubt Ulead does have the software in house if it wants to release it and I have a copy to prove it.
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post #5 of 15
3/12/07 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by GodobeHD View Post

Actually, MF5 version 000.0 does do the BD disk authoring and I have personally authored a few BD disks on red laser media that played in Samsung BD player. BTW PS3 will play any raw .m2t video files be it HDV or AVCHD.

Unfortunately Ulead pulled out that feature after the initial MF5 release because of licensing issues with Sony (according to rumors). Let there be no doubt Ulead does have the software in house if it wants to release it and I have a copy to prove it.

Red laser is not the debate. You can not author a REAL blu ray disk in MF5 or 6

Here's a quote from Ulead (talking about the AVCHD mess):

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I have just been made aware of the discussion going on here. It's nighttime now, but tomorrow morning first thing I will check this issue thoroughly and report back.

For the moment, though, I can categorically state that DVD MovieFactory 6 does support AVCHD "capture" (not from "open file", but from "Import from DVD") and it does support basic editing/trimming. (However the file will be converted to HD or SD MPEG or whatever other format you choose for output, depending on your settings. )

As for the Blu-ray support, it is indeed as the materials say - you can burn data, or you can capture from your video source directly to Blu-ray disc, and it will be recognized and playable by the Blu-ray player as a "video" disc. It will however be in the BDAV format, without menus. HD DVD authoring and burning is supported in this version.

My personal apologies for any confusion or uncertainty, and I promise to post back here tomorrow.

Best regards

Tobie Openshaw
Manager: MarCom Dept
Corel Digital Media


Note how it says in point blank: "BDAV format without menus"


There is only ONE that lays claim to actually authoring a blu ray disk (Roxio DVDitPro) and according to those that have tested so far... it's a failure.
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post #6 of 15
3/12/07 at 3:24pm
The Ulead response certainly isn't referring to MF5 version 000.0 which was released in April 2005 for only one week. It is understandable this person from Ulead had no knowledge of its existence since one year ago in software is like ancient history.

My version of Ulead MF5 handles the BD authoring in the identical manner as in HDDVD. It creates the BDMV folder with MENU, which can be burned either to red laser or blue laser media. The DVD will play in a BD player just like a commercial disk with menu.
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post #7 of 15
3/12/07 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by GodobeHD View Post

The Ulead response certainly isn't referring to MF5 version 000.0 which was released in April 2005 for only one week. It is understandable this person from Ulead had no knowledge of its existence since one year ago in software is like ancient history.

My version of Ulead MF5 handles the BD authoring in the identical manner as in HDDVD. It creates the BDMV folder with MENU, which can be burned either to red laser or blue laser media. The DVD will play in a BD player just like a commercial disk with menu.

Well... NOW..... your saying red OR blue laser... before you only said red laser. Are you saying that you have a blu ray burner and have produced AUTHORED blu ray disks.... cause you'd be the first.


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It is understandable this person from Ulead had no knowledge of its existence since one year ago in software is like ancient history.

Come on... are you really serious about this line!? What you're talking about here is a pretty significant affair.... releasing what amounts to an illegal version.... you think a Manager s going to forget about this any time soon!!??


In fact now that I think about it... you may have things a little confused... a BDAV disk versus an AUTHORED disk.

It's possible to create a BDAV disk in blu ray. This was possible in MF5 as well as the present MF6. A BDAV disk will also go so far as to create a playlist (a crude kind of menu). Are you sure this is not what you are talking about? That would make sense.

But a BDAV disk it is NOT an Authored disk.

An Authored disk will produce a very refined menu (still or motion), chapters (still or motion), flags for things like disk copy protection, language selection, angle selection....etc, etc
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post #8 of 15
3/12/07 at 5:52pm
I don't have BDAV but BDMV. It has the same type of menu as HDDVD out of the Ulead MF5. Call it whatever you will and you don't have to believe it either.
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post #9 of 15
3/12/07 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by GodobeHD View Post

I don't have BDAV but BDMV. It has the same type of menu as HDDVD out of the Ulead MF5. Call it whatever you will and you don't have to believe it either.


Well sorry guy... I'm not going to debate this any further with ya. I keep trying to tell you that I'm not talking about red laser technology (dvd 5 or 9). I'm talking about REAL blu ray. The red laser stuff is for hobbyist (like myself). But I know A LOT of pro's that are dying to see blu ray authoring systems so they can making some real money selling Hi def on Real blu ray media.... and they're still waiting today.

Sorry... don't get me wrong... I don't for a second call you a liar.... I just think maybe there's a bit of confusion on the term "disk author", "red laser" and "blue laser"
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post #10 of 15
3/12/07 at 9:04pm
We have gone a little astray from our discussion of the AVCHD editing capabilities of Moviefactory 6. I can say that Ulead MF6 does work with avchd in a raw format. Unfortunately, it cannot handle the m2ts container that Sony and Panasonic HDD camcorders use to store and transport AVCHD. So the end result for users of Sony HDRSR1 camcorders and others with AVCHD HDD camcorders is that their files still cannot be edited or converted with this software. It does appear from the Ulead forums that Ulead may be looking into this. In the meantime demuxing the m2ts file using "xport" does give you an elementary avchd file and an ac3 file, both of which can be imported into MF6.
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post #11 of 15
3/13/07 at 6:33am
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Originally Posted by blackbill View Post

Are you saying that you have a blu ray burner and have produced AUTHORED blu ray disks.... cause you'd be the first.

I have a Sony BWU-100A blu-ray burner and find it very easy to create a working BDMV disc (menu's etc), and I'm certainly not the only one who can do this, so why would he be the first just because you're not well informed?
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post #12 of 15
3/13/07 at 6:42am
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Originally Posted by mmace View Post

I have a Sony BWU-100A blu-ray burner and find it very easy to create a working BDMV disc (menu's etc), and I'm certainly not the only one who can do this, so why would he be the first just because you're not well informed?



Hey... Don't shoot the messenger!

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I have just been made aware of the discussion going on here. It's nighttime now, but tomorrow morning first thing I will check this issue thoroughly and report back.

For the moment, though, I can categorically state that DVD MovieFactory 6 does support AVCHD "capture" (not from "open file", but from "Import from DVD") and it does support basic editing/trimming. (However the file will be converted to HD or SD MPEG or whatever other format you choose for output, depending on your settings. )

As for the Blu-ray support, it is indeed as the materials say - you can burn data, or you can capture from your video source directly to Blu-ray disc, and it will be recognized and playable by the Blu-ray player as a "video" disc. It will however be in the BDAV format, without menus. HD DVD authoring and burning is supported in this version.

My personal apologies for any confusion or uncertainty, and I promise to post back here tomorrow.

Best regards

Tobie Openshaw
Manager: MarCom Dept
Corel Digital Media


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The Blu-Ray Burner section of MovieFactory writes in the video mode creating a BDAV Disk.
Not just the data mode.
They call it the BDAV Mode.

It's very similar to recording in a dvd recorder in the -VR format which doesn't use menus, only playlists.


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post #13 of 15
3/20/07 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by new2avs View Post

This is NOT true! It absolutely will not import m2ts avchd files taken from my Sony hdr2r1. The same appears to be true of panasonic camera files. check out the product forum for many user complaints

You have to connect your Sony HDR-SR1 to your PC and use the hard drive sync mode. You then use the import from DVD feature of Movie Factory and browse to the AVCHD folder on the camcorder. This makes all clips on the camera available in the app for the mimimal editing and authoring.

You are correct that you can't just import a M2TS file using the file import feature of the application, but it does in fact allow you to work with the files.
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post #14 of 15
3/27/07 at 7:19am
sync2play is correct. Directly connecting to the HDR-SR1 and then doing an import into MF6+ works. Trying to be sneaky, I copied the .MTS files directly from the HDR-SR1 to an external harddrive and then tried to import off of the external drive. No go! What the hell is the difference? The files are identical, only the source drive has changed. I can't believe ulead went thru the effort of adding support for AVCHD, then made it so complicated and inflexible to use.
-not impressed in Italy
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post #15 of 15
3/31/07 at 2:37pm
I wish I would have read this forum before downloading MF6! The software does not recognize AVCHD files on a hard drive; you must connect the camera to the PC. Even after importing files directly from the camera, the software does not allow me to do anything more than cut clips. It seems that the options to to add transitions and combine multiple AVCHD clips into one movie are unavailable. I will be pursuing a refund! Apparently they can only issue refunds over the phone, so I have to wait until office hours (9-7 EST M-F).
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