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post #121 of 3615
3/21/07 at 8:58am
For those that wanted proof, here's a shot of the 60A2020 I was talking about exhibiting the "green blob" problems:

(This shot was taken after giving the TV about 2-3 minutes to warm up. It continues to remain there for at least another 2 hours before gradually dissipating).
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post #122 of 3615
3/21/07 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by wheaty View Post

For those that wanted proof, here's a shot of the 60A2020 I was talking about exhibiting the "green blob" problems:

(This shot was taken after giving the TV about 2-3 minutes to warm up. It continues to remain there for at least another 2 hours before gradually dissipating).

thats interesting, its also got some purple/magenta around it too
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post #123 of 3615
3/21/07 at 9:38am
mine looks very similer to that when first on but goes away after an hour or two.
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post #124 of 3615
3/21/07 at 9:40am
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mine looks very similer to that when first on but goes away after an hour or two.

Thats so odd, it makes zero sense to me why it would need an hour to warm up muchless two hours.
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post #125 of 3615
3/21/07 at 9:42am
no clue. sxrd is only on 2nd generation, hope to have all bugs worked out in 6 years when i'm looking for a new tv.
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post #126 of 3615
3/21/07 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by wheaty View Post

For those that wanted proof, here's a shot of the 60A2020 I was talking about exhibiting the "green blob" problems:

(This shot was taken after giving the TV about 2-3 minutes to warm up. It continues to remain there for at least another 2 hours before gradually dissipating).

About same as my A-2000. Mine varies by room temp at startup, and how long the set is on. It's not too bad in that regard after 30-60 mintues or so. How are your blacks for the first hour or two? Mine are navy blue with magenta tint top and bottom. After 2-3 hours or so they get a lot better but not perfect. In case you haven't read the A-2000 thread I am awaiting an Optical Block replacement, but the fact that 2020 owners have the same problem does not give me much faith. I could really live with the slight pink and green tints though if they manage to fix my crummy blacks. I have found that using full lamp setting vs. power saver makes the set get better somewhat more quickly. You really should take pics after about 20 minutes to give the set a fair time to normalize.
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post #127 of 3615
3/21/07 at 9:49am
mines on powersaving mode but i'll turn that off and see if mine warms up faster.
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post #128 of 3615
3/21/07 at 9:55am
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No problem Jim, I think thats your best bet cause ive never heard of the reflection problem.

I finally figured out what the problem with mine is. My tv stand is too tall, Its like 24" and the Sony one is only around 18 so I was sitting way too low and thats what was causing me to see the green cause the convergance will look diffrent at diffrent angles. I guess i'll half to buy the Sony stand but I think i'll wait till they hopefully come out with black stands for the A2020's.

Good point about stand height on these things, although a reviewer and myself noticed it adds a bluish, not greenish tinge to the upper screen if you sit too low, and a bluish tinge to the bottom if you sit too high. I think the screen texture may be doing this, not the convergence. If you think you have uniformity problems be sure to have your line of sight level with mid-screen when evaluating it.
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post #129 of 3615
3/21/07 at 9:57am
Yep, come to think of it, the room the TV is in is the coldest room in the house, so I guess that could accentuate this weird green blob/magenta ring issue.

However I've read the A2000 thread and all some people get is a slight green haze for the first couple of minutes and then everything is normal. I have a hard time believing that this green blob/magenta ring issue hanging around for the first 2 hours is within spec.
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post #130 of 3615
3/21/07 at 9:58am
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mines on powersaving mode but i'll turn that off and see if mine warms up faster.

I can also say mine hates a cold room temp. If the heat has been down to 65 all day, it is really a mess at startup, and takes a lot longer to normalize. If the room temp has been 73 or so it behaves a lot better. These are strange sets! Some people on here will probably blast me for posting all this since I have said it before in the A-2000 forum, but I hope this helps out the newbies. Maybe we can all get resolution on these issues from Sony eventually. Strange thing is some people say cold rooms don't bother their sets at all. I don't know what to think. I totally agree that no set should take 2 hours to work at its best. I think 10-20 minutes is reasonable, and then some.
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post #131 of 3615
3/21/07 at 11:56am
My 55A2020 has the uneven blacks that never go away. I've got mine set with power saving mode off and my screen looks the same no matter how long it has been on. I have a green circle when it is first turned on but it goes away after 20 to 30 minutes. I tried every setting under the sun last night and it didn't change a thing. I'm really not sure if I'm going to try another one or just look for something else. I'm really getting tired of this myself. I just want to get something and enjoy watching it and not someone else saying "look how green her hair is"

Jim
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post #132 of 3615
3/21/07 at 12:10pm
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My 55A2020 has the uneven blacks that never go away. I've got mine set with power saving mode off and my screen looks the same no matter how long it has been on. I have a green circle when it is first turned on but it goes away after 20 to 30 minutes. I tried every setting under the sun last night and it didn't change a thing. I'm really not sure if I'm going to try another one or just look for something else. I'm really getting tired of this myself. I just want to get something and enjoy watching it and not someone else saying "look how green her hair is"

Jim

If i was you I'd swap at least once. These sets are really hard to beat for the money if you get a good one. If it fails on 2nd try you could try a DLP, but rainbow effect on those really bugs me, and they seem to have quite a lot of quality issues as well. 50 inch Panny plasmas are nice, more reliable too, but you give up some size to get a similar price, and the PQ is not quite as nice as SXRD. Choose your poison.
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post #133 of 3615
3/21/07 at 1:21pm
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If i was you I'd swap at least once. These sets are really hard to beat for the money if you get a good one. If it fails on 2nd try you could try a DLP, but rainbow effect on those really bugs me, and they seem to have quite a lot of quality issues as well. 50 inch Panny plasmas are nice, more reliable too, but you give up some size to get a similar price, and the PQ is not quite as nice as SXRD. Choose your poison.

Yeah it's always something isn' it I had a 50A2000 before I traded it for the 55A2020. The 50A2000 had a even worse case of uneven balcks but I didn't have that small reflection or whatever it is this one has. I've looked at the Mits DLP 57732 but do fear the RBE on those. I'll probably give one more 55A2020 a try and it that doesn't work out I'll try one of the new Panasonic Plasmas that are starting to hit stores now.

Jim
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post #134 of 3615
3/21/07 at 1:23pm
uneven blacks??? did you always have it or something that manifested ifself later on?? Kinda worried about my tv. Other then the temperary slimer effect, mine seems good. While eading all these posts I feel kinda lucky mine isn't anything permenant.........so far.
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post #135 of 3615
3/21/07 at 2:05pm
^^^ both had it from day one.

jim
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post #136 of 3615
3/21/07 at 3:36pm
By uneven blacks do you guys mean like slightly brighter blacks? Look closely, see if there's a greenish tinge (it's probably a convergence issue). The 60A2020 I've been talking about has on the bottom and going up the right side. Quite noticeable on completely "black" frames.
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post #137 of 3615
3/21/07 at 6:43pm
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By uneven blacks do you guys mean like slightly brighter blacks? Look closely, see if there's a greenish tinge (it's probably a convergence issue). The 60A2020 I've been talking about has on the bottom and going up the right side. Quite noticeable on completely "black" frames.

On mine if I switch to say input 7 which has a PS3 hooked up to it and the PS3 is not on instead of a black screen I'm seeing uneven colors. On the right side it's a red/magenta color and the middle is a greenish circle. In the bottom center is the small rectangular reflection or whatever it is that never goes away either. It is the same if I turn it on now as it is after playing it for 4 hours. I've seen a slight hint of it in an all black scene of a TV show. I also see the same thing when I turn off the TV before it goes completely dark.

Hope that helps explain what I'm seeing on my set.

Jim
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post #138 of 3615
3/21/07 at 8:59pm
You guys talking about 'uneven' blacks with slight colored tints in them, how is the overall black on the screen for the first hour or so. Mine has the slight magenta and green tints on black, but they are really hard to spot most of the time. The bigger issue on mine is black is very purplish blue over the entire screen until a couple hours or so. Do you see this issue at all on yours? If my new OB can at least cure the bluish blacks I think I could live with the other issues.
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post #139 of 3615
3/21/07 at 9:06pm
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You guys talking about 'uneven' blacks with slight colored tints in them, how is the overall black on the screen for the first hour or so. Mine has the slight magenta and green tints on black, but they are really hard to spot most of the time. The bigger issue on mine is black is very purplish blue over the entire screen until a couple hours or so. Do you see this issue at all on yours? If my new OB can at least cure the bluish blacks I think I could live with the other issues.

I don't see any of that; the blacks look good from startup (aside from the green tints that are most likely due to convergence).
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post #140 of 3615
3/22/07 at 4:56am
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I don't see any of that; the blacks look good from startup (aside from the green tints that are most likely due to convergence).

Thanks. That gives me some hope that I can at least get improvement. I do think these sets are a crap shoot as to color uniformity, and we maybe are expecting a bit more than the technology can always deliver. Still they are great sets though. I just got the HD-DVD of King Kong. The HD version off cable was amazing, but this is even better. The detail and clarity is jaw dropping. If you want to show off your SXRD set this movie certainly does it!
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post #141 of 3615
3/22/07 at 7:40am
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You guys talking about 'uneven' blacks with slight colored tints in them, how is the overall black on the screen for the first hour or so. Mine has the slight magenta and green tints on black, but they are really hard to spot most of the time. The bigger issue on mine is black is very purplish blue over the entire screen until a couple hours or so. Do you see this issue at all on yours? If my new OB can at least cure the bluish blacks I think I could live with the other issues.

Alan,

I'm not seeing anything like that in my blacks. I can see some uneven blacks on regular program material but it has to be a full black or very dark scene. Just like I see on the unused input like I described above. I saw a commerical last night for a sleep aid and it showed a all black screen like someone is sleeping in a dark room and I could see the uneven blacks there. Very hard to see on regular program material. I get the green circle in the middle of the screen at startup that goes away after 20 to 30 minutes.

Maybe I am looking at things to much as far as the blacks go on a unused input or between scenes on shows (fade to black). It just seems like it should be more of an even black to me. But I still come back to the reflection or whatever it is I'm seeing just above the Sony logo. I can see it on just about any dark scene and I think that is what will ultimately push me to exchange this unit. I'm going to CC this weekend and check out a display model and see if I can see it on one of those before I do anything.

The saga continues

Jim
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post #142 of 3615
3/22/07 at 7:44am
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Alan,

I'm not seeing anything like that in my blacks. I can see some uneven blacks on regular program material but it has to be a full black or very dark scene. Just like I see on the unused input like I described above. I saw a commerical last night for a sleep aid and it showed a all black screen like someone is sleeping in a dark room and I could see the uneven blacks there. Very hard to see on regular program material. I get the green circle in the middle of the screen at startup that goes away after 20 to 30 minutes.

Maybe I am looking at things to much as far as the blacks go on a unused input or between scenes on shows (fade to black). It just seems like it should be more of an even black to me. But I still come back to the reflection or whatever it is I'm seeing just above the Sony logo. I can see it on just about any dark scene and I think that is what will ultimately push me to exchange this unit. I'm going to CC this weekend and check out a display model and see if I can see it on one of those before I do anything.

The saga continues

Jim

Could it be signal issues? How do dvd and HDDVD/BR look?
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post #143 of 3615
3/22/07 at 7:55am
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Could it be signal issues? How do dvd and HDDVD/BR look?

Same no matter what input or source. I thought about that also

Jim
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post #144 of 3615
3/22/07 at 7:57am
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Same no matter what input or source. I thought about that also

Jim

Thats interesting and a bit disappointing too

I've read these tv's are especially sensitive to the input but that sucks...have you xchanged it?
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post #145 of 3615
3/22/07 at 8:25am
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Thats interesting and a bit disappointing too

I've read these tv's are especially sensitive to the input but that sucks...have you xchanged it?

I'll check some store display models before I do anything else.

Jim
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post #146 of 3615
3/22/07 at 11:04am
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I'll check some store display models before I do anything else.

Jim

It is probably very hard to see these issues in a store though. Mine are not very obvious except at night, when the lights are either low or off. Then the blue tinted blacks with greenish, and magenta areas becomes obvious. I wonder what percent of these things can actually do a good uniform black. I think Sony banks on a lot of people not noticing or caring, which I am sure is the case.
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post #147 of 3615
3/22/07 at 12:32pm
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It is probably very hard to see these issues in a store though. Mine are not very obvious except at night, when the lights are either low or off. Then the blue tinted blacks with greenish, and magenta areas becomes obvious. I wonder what percent of these things can actually do a good uniform black. I think Sony banks on a lot of people not noticing or caring, which I am sure is the case.

Agreed but I mainly want to look at the small rectangular reflection or whatever I'm seeing on mine. If I see it in store then maybe it's just me

Jim
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post #148 of 3615
3/22/07 at 1:45pm
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post #149 of 3615
3/22/07 at 1:57pm
I'm shoppin' for a set, and love the SXRD that I saw. But, I'm worried about all I've read about problems with stains and blobs with some Sony sets. Are the 2007 SXRD sets susceptible?
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post #150 of 3615
3/22/07 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by wheaty View Post

By uneven blacks do you guys mean like slightly brighter blacks? Look closely, see if there's a greenish tinge (it's probably a convergence issue). The 60A2020 I've been talking about has on the bottom and going up the right side. Quite noticeable on completely "black" frames.

Thats where the green tinge is located on my set as well, I also recently noticed that mine has the green blob that looks like a donut in the middle of the screen but mine goes away within a couple minutes as its warming up. My convergance seems to be changing and mine is developing a red tinge as well.
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