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post #1561 of 3615
8/14/07 at 1:15pm
I am new to this forum and followed this thread for the last few weeks. Great stuff!

I am seriously considering the 55a2020 from all of the things I have heard, but wanted to ask other informed people here what other brands should I look at as good comparrisons to the Sony? (in the 55" rear projection category). Thanks!
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post #1562 of 3615
8/14/07 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by briankmonkey View Post

Just to confirm are the A2020's the same as the older model's A2000's aside from the cabinent being black on the 2020's?

Would you consider the KDS-55A2000 at $1,457 a good price (also an option for 5 year in home for $209)?

Or if I go smaller $1,239 for the KDS-50A2000. I'll be about 8-9'.

If you are considering paying $1,239. for the 50A2000, you should check Amazon.
For a hundred dollars more you can get the KDS-50A2020.
I got mine and it has a terrific picture and was shipped fast!
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post #1563 of 3615
8/14/07 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by majon View Post

If you are considering paying $1,239. for the 50A2000, you should check Amazon.
For a hundred dollars more you can get the KDS-50A2020.
I got mine and it has a terrific picture and was shipped fast!

Thanks, I will check it out. I am a bit hesistant with ordering online and worrying about return issues, servicing, etc. still worth a look though.
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post #1564 of 3615
8/14/07 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by Rolow View Post

Does that mean the a2000,A2020 and A3000 optical blocks are interchangeable?

Yes on the A2000/A2020, don't know (haven't yet checked the part number) on the A3000. My point was that the newer the manufacturing date (of the block) the more stable it is likely to be. To me, this alone is sufficient reason alone to prefer the A3000.
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post #1565 of 3615
8/14/07 at 5:48pm
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Originally Posted by deuce2 View Post

I am new to this forum and followed this thread for the last few weeks. Great stuff!

I am seriously considering the 55a2020 from all of the things I have heard, but wanted to ask other informed people here what other brands should I look at as good comparrisons to the Sony? (in the 55" rear projection category). Thanks!

If it were not for the geometry issues that the newer Sansung Models are known for now they would be a great set as well. They are able to do 1080P on all imputs! Other than that side by side you are hard pressed to tell a diffrence in picture quality IMHO.. You would have a hard time trying to find anything that beats the Sony at it's price. Had mine for a month now and Love IT!! No green blobs, geometry in near perfect, blacks are great, colors pop, HD is amazing and SD is from good to actually almost great..
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post #1566 of 3615
8/15/07 at 1:27am
Hi guys!

Well I finally decided to get my 50A2020 looked at about a month ago for the color uniformity issues, Had green on the bottom and top of the screen and red in the middle. The TV repair place came out and seen the same thing and finally a week later they called me up telling me Sony had sent them a new optical block so they came back out a week later and installed it but now it is worse then before, I have the same green and red problem but also now have blue tinted blacks. They came back out again a week later to look at it and called back again a week later to say they just got another optical block in and will be here later this week to put it in.

My question is, Has everyone on here that says they have one of these tv's without the color uniformity issues actually ran some tests like turning the color off completely and then looking for green/red or yellow? I was one of the first people to own the A2020 series and it took me a while to even notice it. From what I have read, Nearly everyone that has seen the color uniformity issue has never been able to get one of these tv's without it, I just find it odd how those who have seen it can never get a good set when there are reports of there being good ones out there. I am not doubting anyone or trying to bash Sony, This tv has the best picture quality I have ever seen aside from the color uniformity issue and I really wish I could get a good one.

So anyway, Sony told me they only repair them twice then discuss other options. Hopefully the new optical block works but If it doesn't I'm hopeing they give me the option to get an A3000 even if I half to pay the diffrence.
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post #1567 of 3615
8/15/07 at 5:36am
I've run every test imaginable and THERE IS NO COLOR UNIFORMITY ISSUE with my 50A2020. I have three friends who also have the 50 or the 55. One is a tech. All three ran all the tests and THEY FOUND NO COLOR UNIFORMItY PROBLEMS, or any other issues. Either you are an unlucky owner with a bad streak because very people on this forum -- a very small minority of 2020 owners because most of the world doesnt even know about this stuff or care, they just WATCH and ENJOY -- or you're a troll bashing the set. i dont mean to question your veracity, but your constant complaints and two defective optical blocks in a row raise some questions in my mind about motive. just my two cents. in an case, report back when your alleged problem is solved and no more whining.


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Originally Posted by nick2003 View Post

Hi guys!

Well I finally decided to get my 50A2020 looked at about a month ago for the color uniformity issues, Had green on the bottom and top of the screen and red in the middle. The TV repair place came out and seen the same thing and finally a week later they called me up telling me Sony had sent them a new optical block so they came back out a week later and installed it but now it is worse then before, I have the same green and red problem but also now have blue tinted blacks. They came back out again a week later to look at it and called back again a week later to say they just got another optical block in and will be here later this week to put it in.

My question is, Has everyone on here that says they have one of these tv's without the color uniformity issues actually ran some tests like turning the color off completely and then looking for green/red or yellow? I was one of the first people to own the A2020 series and it took me a while to even notice it. From what I have read, Nearly everyone that has seen the color uniformity issue has never been able to get one of these tv's without it, I just find it odd how those who have seen it can never get a good set when there are reports of there being good ones out there. I am not doubting anyone or trying to bash Sony, This tv has the best picture quality I have ever seen aside from the color uniformity issue and I really wish I could get a good one.

So anyway, Sony told me they only repair them twice then discuss other options. Hopefully the new optical block works but If it doesn't I'm hopeing they give me the option to get an A3000 even if I half to pay the diffrence.
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post #1568 of 3615
8/15/07 at 6:28am
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Originally Posted by DERG View Post

I would say it's a design decision.
The XBR5/2 are designed to the brightness needs of the 70". The 120 watt wasn't bright enough for a 70" set, so, a 180 watt was used & the iris level was adjusted down for the 60".

On the other hand The A3000 & A2020 are designed to the brightness needs of the 60". 120 watt lamp met the needs of the 60" & the iris level was adjusted down for the 50 & 55" sets. Judging the amount of backlight on my 50A2020 I'd say the iris needs to be adjusted down even more.

I went to BB yesterday and they had a 60A2020 next to a 55A2020. I adjusted both to the same parameters in the menu (standard, not vivid, same brightness, picture, contrast, etc.)

Now, it's certainly possible for the life of each bulb to be different on their floor models, but I saw a noticeable difference in light output and general picture quality between the 55" and 60". Even with an HD feed, the 55" looked much better. The 55" looked more "plasma'ish" while the 60" reminded me of a 10yr old CRT RPTV that was tired. 'Kinda washed out and lacking oomph.

I know the Mits have 150 or 180 watt lamps and the newest Samsungs have 132(?), so Sony is the holdout on the lower lamps. I wanted to update the thread that based on my extremely unscientific evaluation of only two units - I saw a difference. Perhaps somebody else could go to some other stores and compare the light output of the 55 and 60" Sonys?

-Robert
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post #1569 of 3615
8/15/07 at 7:11am
I hope you are able to get your TV fixed. It would be nice to hear that its possible to get one of these sets fixed properly. Please let us know.

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Originally Posted by nick2003 View Post

Hi guys!

Well I finally decided to get my 50A2020 looked at about a month ago for the color uniformity issues, Had green on the bottom and top of the screen and red in the middle. The TV repair place came out and seen the same thing and finally a week later they called me up telling me Sony had sent them a new optical block so they came back out a week later and installed it but now it is worse then before, I have the same green and red problem but also now have blue tinted blacks. They came back out again a week later to look at it and called back again a week later to say they just got another optical block in and will be here later this week to put it in.

My question is, Has everyone on here that says they have one of these tv's without the color uniformity issues actually ran some tests like turning the color off completely and then looking for green/red or yellow? I was one of the first people to own the A2020 series and it took me a while to even notice it. From what I have read, Nearly everyone that has seen the color uniformity issue has never been able to get one of these tv's without it, I just find it odd how those who have seen it can never get a good set when there are reports of there being good ones out there. I am not doubting anyone or trying to bash Sony, This tv has the best picture quality I have ever seen aside from the color uniformity issue and I really wish I could get a good one.

So anyway, Sony told me they only repair them twice then discuss other options. Hopefully the new optical block works but If it doesn't I'm hopeing they give me the option to get an A3000 even if I half to pay the diffrence.
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post #1570 of 3615
8/15/07 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by HUMM3 View Post

I've run every test imaginable and THERE IS NO COLOR UNIFORMITY ISSUE with my 50A2020. I have three friends who also have the 50 or the 55. One is a tech. All three ran all the tests and THEY FOUND NO COLOR UNIFORMItY PROBLEMS, or any other issues. Either you are an unlucky owner with a bad streak because very people on this forum -- a very small minority of 2020 owners because most of the world doesnt even know about this stuff or care, they just WATCH and ENJOY -- or you're a troll bashing the set. i dont mean to question your veracity, but your constant complaints and two defective optical blocks in a row raise some questions in my mind about motive. just my two cents. in an case, report back when your alleged problem is solved and no more whining.

That's pretty nasty to attack this guy about his problems. I have had 2 bad A-2000's, a terrible OB replacement on the 2nd A-2000, and an A-2020 that was great for a few weeks, and then shifted to green tint and blue blacks. I don't doubt that many of the sets work fine. Given all the bad ones I had though, I don't doubt that quite a few are less than stellar. I solved my problems. Sony gave me a full refund, and carted the thing away. I now have a Panny 58 inch plasma and am very happy with the overall PQ, and lack of color issues. Everyone that sees it prefers it to the SXRD's in spite of it not being 1080p. I think the lack of SSE outweighs the difference in resolution at a normal viewing distance. Those that have good A-2020's have a very nice set as well though.
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post #1571 of 3615
8/15/07 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

That's pretty nasty to attack this guy about his problems. I have had 2 bad A-2000's, a terrible OB replacement on the 2nd A-2000, and an A-2020 that was great for a few weeks, and then shifted to green tint and blue blacks.

Alan, I'm with you - in that there are obviously "isolated" issues with color uniformity on the SXRDs. The degree of isolation can be debated. But, from the postings that I have read here (and the A2000 thread) it seems that OB replacement rarely fixes the problem often makes it worst. But, in many cases, customers have got to go through those steps before Sony will actually replace the sets. The thing that I "take away" from these threads is to buy these sets from a B&M store who will stand behind their sales and exchange the "isolated" defective sets.
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post #1572 of 3615
8/15/07 at 9:35am
It's been almost 3 weeks since I picked up my 55" a2020 at c.c., I'm happy to report no issues yet. The hi-def picture is simply stunning, especially the espn and discovery channel. No green tint and the grey and black screens are grey and black only. sd quality is much better than I expected. I use a SA3800 cable box and bought a really nice stand on Penney's web site that matches my other furniture. I would recommend this set over any other comparable size TV, I sent a Samsung back due to geometry issues. Ialso looked closely at lcd and plasma sets, but detected motion smearing on every single one of them. Being a football junkie I'm convinced this is the best set out there for sports viewing. If you are on the fence, I recommend you take the plunge.
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post #1573 of 3615
8/15/07 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by fizzy1000 View Post

It's been almost 3 weeks since I picked up my 55" a2020 at c.c., I'm happy to report no issues yet. The hi-def picture is simply stunning, especially the espn and discovery channel. No green tint and the grey and black screens are grey and black only....


This brings up an interesting question. I am wondering, of the people in this thread that own these A2020's (and my KDS-55A2020 just arrived yesterday, BTW, though the stand isn't here yet, so I still can't fire it up ) who are having issues with green tint, green blobs, purple rings, etc. - how long did it take for the problem(s) to manifest? Was it something immediate, or did it take a long while, like a few months or so?
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post #1574 of 3615
8/15/07 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

No, there are some (slight) circuitry differences between the two in the chassis - but no functionality or specification changes.

Probably the most significant difference between the A2000 & the A2020 is that there are likely improvements in the manufacturing process for the optical block assembly. One years worth of improvement is what you get in the 2020. Then again, there is another year's improvement in the A3000!

Not quite. The A2020 came out 6 months after the A2000. The A3000 is one year.

But yes, functionally they are identical. If an A2000 we new and unopened, I'd have no problem buying one.
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post #1575 of 3615
8/15/07 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by GoldenBoy View Post

This brings up an interesting question. I am wondering, of the people in this thread that own these A2020's (and my KDS-55A2020 just arrived yesterday, BTW, though the stand isn't here yet, so I still can't fire it up ) who are having issues with green tint, green blobs, purple rings, etc. - how long did it take for the problem(s) to manifest? Was it something immediate, or did it take a long while, like a few months or so?


For me I didn't notice it until after having the set for about 2 months. If may have been there all along though. I first noticed it when my Sci. Atl 8300 cable box got hung up on a completely light gray screen. Now that I know where to look I notice it all the time while watching television. With shots of an overcast sky, people in gray suits, and white backgrounds the green and pink is noticeable.
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post #1576 of 3615
8/15/07 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by HUMM3 View Post

I've run every test imaginable and THERE IS NO COLOR UNIFORMITY ISSUE with my 50A2020. I have three friends who also have the 50 or the 55. One is a tech. All three ran all the tests and THEY FOUND NO COLOR UNIFORMItY PROBLEMS, or any other issues. Either you are an unlucky owner with a bad streak because very people on this forum -- a very small minority of 2020 owners because most of the world doesnt even know about this stuff or care, they just WATCH and ENJOY -- or you're a troll bashing the set. i dont mean to question your veracity, but your constant complaints and two defective optical blocks in a row raise some questions in my mind about motive. just my two cents. in an case, report back when your alleged problem is solved and no more whining.

Why are you being so offensive? Just because your tv has no issue and mine does that makes me a Sony basher? And now I'm a troll? I've never seen a troll that's been here for 3 years, How long have you been here? If I was going to bash Sony I think I would have said alot of things more nasty then what I said, I don't feel that I even said anything bad about Sony and as I said I love this tv and it is the best tv I have ever had aside from the color uniformity issues.
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post #1577 of 3615
8/15/07 at 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by japeezy View Post

I hope you are able to get your TV fixed. It would be nice to hear that its possible to get one of these sets fixed properly. Please let us know.

Thanks!
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post #1578 of 3615
8/15/07 at 1:51pm
Does anyone know how to check the life on your bulb?

Many hours used/left?
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post #1579 of 3615
8/15/07 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by briankmonkey View Post

Thanks, I will check it out. I am a bit hesistant with ordering online and worrying about return issues, servicing, etc. still worth a look though.

I know I felt the same way but finally decided to take a chance, as the price difference between that and my local stores was about $500.

I was really impressed when it was delivered (and delivered FAST and a day sooner than tracking even said it would!) The TV was brought by Fed-Ex and the TV was strapped (from shipper) to a wood pallet so it could not move. The Fed-Ex guy had to cut the straps to get the TV off to bring into my house (and he brought it right into my LR)
And it has been great from day one we turned it on. Direct TV doesn't even come until weekend to upgrade me to HD and the TV still has a great picture.

And I have bought a lot of stuff from Amazon and pretty much trust them (even though they are a go-between for you and company.
But the company that is selling this has pretty good reveiws.)

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Grand-KDS...7238754&sr=8-1

So I have been happy I took the chance and saved $500.00!
I wanted the 2020 because from reading all the threads it seems to have resolved a lot of the issues the 2000 had.

And if you buy the Sony warranty extended warranty you can buy the TV anywhere and get the warranty from them.

As for myself, I am still reading and debating on what extended warranty to buy. I am really leaning toward MACK, because Sony has no bulb replacement. I know I need to decide pretty soon!
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post #1580 of 3615
8/15/07 at 11:17pm
The Mack warranty is a good value ... and can be bought with or without bulb coverage. The REALLY expensive repairs (optical block, etc.) are much more likely in later years ... so if cost is an issue I'd get a longer warranty (5 yrs) without bulb coverage rather than a shorter one with bulb coverage. The bulb is not, in the great scheme of things, an expensive "repair" (it's really not even a repair).

Note also that the Mack warranties with bulb coverage only cover the bulb for 3 years from date-of-purchase ==> they do NOT cover a bulb in later years. There's a reason for this (the bulb is much more likely to fail AFTER the 3 year point)
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post #1581 of 3615
8/15/07 at 11:19pm
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Originally Posted by bigfun3344 View Post

Does anyone know how to check the life on your bulb?

Many hours used/left?


It's in the Service Menu ==> Don't have time to search the thread right now ... but it's detailed in the A2000 thread.
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post #1582 of 3615
8/15/07 at 11:29pm
Decided that was being too lazy So ...

Enter the Service Menu (Power-off, Display, 5, Vol+, Power-On)

Go into the PANEL section of the Service Menu (Press Jump until PANEL displays)

Item 21 TIMER / 0 LMP_TMP will tell you the # hours on your bulb

(index thru menus by pressing 2)
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post #1583 of 3615
8/15/07 at 11:33pm
... by the way, the specified bulb life is 8,000 hours [Like any bulb, it can fail quicker ... or it can last a lot longer ==> but that's the spec].
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post #1584 of 3615
8/16/07 at 7:22am
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Originally Posted by nrc2112 View Post

There is one in every crowd - why can't you just let it go. I have owned mitsu sony and JVC and several Samsungs - in fact I used to be a Sammy customer exclusively.

The sets that a slim are crap period.

I am a sony fan all the way now and love my 602020 and think it is the best on the market.

But to say this only affects JVC we nope.

I can't understand why when someone offers good advice someone else has to say what you say.


nrc2112, have you checked the owners thread for the Sony a3000 yet? I don't see any of the issues you claim exist on all slim sets. I'm enjoying the a2020 but looking forward to add'l capabilities of the a3000.
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post #1585 of 3615
8/16/07 at 10:10am
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Originally Posted by nick2003 View Post

Why are you being so offensive? Just because your tv has no issue and mine does that makes me a Sony basher? And now I'm a troll? I've never seen a troll that's been here for 3 years, How long have you been here? If I was going to bash Sony I think I would have said alot of things more nasty then what I said, I don't feel that I even said anything bad about Sony and as I said I love this tv and it is the best tv I have ever had aside from the color uniformity issues.

I didnt mean to make my comments seem like a mean-spirited attack. as in the whole email genre, sometimes these comments come out sounding different than they were meant to be. as i stated i didnt question your veracity. if you have a problem with your set, i hope you get it resolved. it's a great TV -- so far.
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post #1586 of 3615
8/16/07 at 11:58am
FYI >> Just in case anyone has purchased this TV through Amazon in the last 30 days, you may want to contact customer service as the price is significantly lower than it has been all summer. I called this morning and they immediately credited my account the price difference!!!

By the way....just got mine this week >> lovin' it so far. My wife misses me. Spending all my time in the basement!
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post #1587 of 3615
8/16/07 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by ozcot View Post

If it were not for the geometry issues that the newer Sansung Models are known for now they would be a great set as well. They are able to do 1080P on all imputs! Other than that side by side you are hard pressed to tell a diffrence in picture quality IMHO.. You would have a hard time trying to find anything that beats the Sony at it's price. Had mine for a month now and Love IT!! No green blobs, geometry in near perfect, blacks are great, colors pop, HD is amazing and SD is from good to actually almost great..

Long time - how is your set doing?

What are your settings?

Thanks!
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post #1588 of 3615
8/16/07 at 8:24pm
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Originally Posted by HUMM3 View Post

I didnt mean to make my comments seem like a mean-spirited attack. as in the whole email genre, sometimes these comments come out sounding different than they were meant to be. as i stated i didnt question your veracity. if you have a problem with your set, i hope you get it resolved. it's a great TV -- so far.

It's all good
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post #1589 of 3615
8/17/07 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by Abulia View Post

In the service menu (not advised for newbies).

Overscan is found in the 070 scancon inpl_ovs.spf section of the WEM Service Menu. There are three variables:
000 HOVERSCN
001 VOVERSCN
002 VOVERSFT

Instructions for getting into the SM are found in the A2000 tweaks thread.

I had between around 2.5 % overscan on Video 1, 4 and 5. The 000 HOVERSCN and 001 VOVERSCN values were both 54 (Video 1) and 50 (Video 4 and 5). I brought these values down to 0. The overscan is now negligible (0.2 % or less), probably what is hidden behind the bezel.
This adjustment has to be done for each type of input (S-Video, component ...etc) as needed. Thanks to Abulia.
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post #1590 of 3615
8/17/07 at 12:11pm
Hello, I just received my 60A2020 as a replacement for my 3.5 year old Hitachi 50V500 under my Sears extended warranty (a $100 swap, unbelievable!!). I'm experiencing a loss of the HDMI video stream under certain circumstances. I have Time-Warner digital/HD cable with a Scientific American 8380HD. Hookups are:
1. cable audio out to receiver via coax cable (receiver has no HDMI), outout to 5.1
2. cable video out to receiver via component cable
3. video out from receiver to TV via component cable (Video Input #4)
4. cable HDMI directly connected to TV with a 3' HDMI cable (Video Input #6)

I can switch from HDMI to Component input and vice versa with no problem. While using Component input I can switch from HD channels (ie, Discovery) to SD channels and back to HD again with no problem. While using HDMI, SD to SD channel switches seem to work fine all the time (I haven't experienced any problem).

The problem occurs when in HDMI, and switching from HD to SD channels and back, or from one HD channel to another. Things will be fine for a few channel switches, then all of a sudden both HD and SD channel screens show nothing but static. To reset I can either switch the TV off, or switch back to Component input, then back to HDMI and reiterate.

My HD picture is outstanding on both HDMI and Component on the HD channels, and I don't think my cable box is the problem. Cables are all seated snugly.

Any ideas on this?

Thanks, Mike
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