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post #2971 of 3613
Judge Patterson has scheduled April 12th to consider the preliminary approval of the proposed settlement in the Cardenas class action lawsuit on the Q006, XBR2, A2000, A2020, and A3000 models. In my opinion, the proposed settlement is an insult to consumers, providing only a month or two of warranty coverage and a few hundred dollars, in most cases. For more information on this lawsuit, see the Class Action Lawsuits page of my Sony LCD Rear Projection TV Problems web site.
post #2972 of 3613
Those of you who have had one or more OB replacements on your A2020s should seriously consider writing to the court as per splinke's web page. In their response to complaints that the proposed settlement is inequitable, Sony is saying:

"Like the letters sent to the Court by individuals who do not own televisions covered by the Settlement,15 the Meserole Plaintiffs argue that the relief provided is illusory and that the new optical blocks do not represent a permanent fix. Although the stories of a handful of consumers who have experienced repeated failures are unfortunate, they are anomalies, and are not representative of the class as a whole."

From what I've seen here, there are quite a few "anomalies" among A2020 users. Please take the time to write the judge in the Cardenas case. His contact information is on splinke's site. Don't forget to send copies to all Attorneys, including at least one each in the Meserole case, the Cardenas case and the Sony attorneys. Remember, the Cardenas case is the Texas one that gives us practically nothing.

I asked Counselor Koncious why they couldn't just subpoena Sony's service records and he said they do not have that power. He reiterated that the best way to counter Sony's argument that A2020 OB failures are rare "anomalies" is for people who have experienced failures to write the judge and attorneys.

Thanks!
post #2973 of 3613
Update on Cardenas class action lawsuit

Attorneys for Ms. Cardenas and Sony filed a proposed settlement on 3/1/2010. I filed an opposition letter on 3/25/2010, and the attorneys from the original XBR1 settlement filed an opposition brief on 3/26/2010.

Cardenas and Sony have now filed replies to the opposition (on 4/2/2010). I also filed an additional opposition letter in response to these replies (4/7/2010). I have posted all three of these new documents to the Class Action Lawsuits page of my Sony LCD Rear Projection TV Problems web site.

There is apparently a final hearing for preliminary approval on April 12th, so if you want to comment on this stage, you must do it now. If the judge signs the preliminary approval, you can still object to, or opt out of, the settlement (although not both) after you receive the notice, but once this gets rolling, it may be hard to stop.

Again, the warranty extensions proposed in the Cardenas action are generally only 1-2 months longer than the current extensions, and the cash settlements are only a few hundred dollars. However, it is further interesting to note that, when you calculate the warranty extension lengths for all Sony models from the initial release dates, they are generally shorter for the models that have been the subject of class action lawsuits (including the current Cardenas action) relative to those that have not. I detail this on my web page and new letter.
post #2974 of 3613
Can't wait to hear the update on the 60A2020. Sony is really jerking me around.
So far 2 Opt. Blocks replaced & no fix.
post #2975 of 3613
4/12/2010 update on Cardenas class action lawsuit

The hearing originally scheduled for today has apparently been postponed until 4/23/2010.
post #2976 of 3613
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Originally Posted by Arkyman View Post

Well, my a2020 just turned 8,000 hours on the lamp and guess what? Up popped the little box in the left hand corner advising me that the lamp is nearing the end of its life. So, sony has these lamps (XL5200) rated at 8,000 hours and when it gets to the alloted hour load, these tv's apparently are programmed to advise of a lamp change. Bottom line, the tv has no idea how much longer you lamp will last after its 8,000 hour life expectancy has expired. As a precaution, I ordered a new XL5200 from DLPlampsource. Football season is upon us, I dont want any abrupt surprises....but honestly I dont expect mine to go out anytime soon. The PQ still looks great and with really no noticeable loss of brightness. I'm just showing for the record that sony rates the XL5200 at 8,000 hours and that is exactly when my warning popped up. Hopefully I can get 10,000+ out of mine. I think 8,000 hours is a good time to go ahead and get another lamp, however, that does not mean you will have to install it anytime soon. My bro-in-laws KDF55E2000 has been telling him to replace his lamp for over 4 months now yet its still running smooth. I guess my advice would be, take precaution, eventually you will need a new lamp for these tvs....however, use common sense and good judgment. Just because the tv says you need new lamp doesnt mean you will be installing one anytime soon.

just got the same msg and thought i'd check here before ordering a new bulb. I'm the same way and would like to have a bulb on hand just in case. There's no picture quality change and I've always kept the power saving on(actually used the settings i got here) I'm hoping for at least a few more months, but it's been 3 yrs so i'm not going to complain. I didn't even realize so many people were having trouble(knock on wood).

I did have a couple of questions though. Should I try to clean out/blow out the dust that has collected inside that compartment, or will that more likely get it lodged somewhere else and cause a problem? Also, should I just get a bulb replacement, or do I need the housing as well? Thanks as always for your help!
post #2977 of 3613
Don't blow it. It can spread around and lodge on the mirror or OB. I use a vacuum cleaner.

Also check MCM Electronics for lamps. They have the original Philips lamp (not the Osram replacement) and the complete assembly new-in-box. MCM Electronics
post #2978 of 3613
ok, i'm sure my kirby has the right attachment somewhere. are the philips brand the same as oem? what is osram by the way? i guess i will get the lamp w/housing to avoid problems and that way i don't have to touch the bulb. i guess i will watch this case now that i know about it. hopefully sony does right by the customers. ?(
post #2979 of 3613
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Originally Posted by cctvtech View Post

Don't blow it. It can spread around and lodge on the mirror or OB. I use a vacuum cleaner.

Also check MCM Electronics for lamps. They have the original Philips lamp (not the Osram replacement) and the complete assembly new-in-box. MCM Electronics

While today Osram now owns Sylvania (the name I guess), I can tell you that when it comes to Osram bulbs, in the past, if I was given a choice between Osram and Sylvania, I would have definitely picked Osram.

I don't know if, in the case of this particular bulb, there's any difference between an Osram or Sylvania bulb. Over the years I've used and installed hundreds of Xenon bulbs for use in motion picture theatre projectors and spotlights. I can tell you positively that Osram Xenon bulbs lasted the longest and were the BEST in the industry. However, since their name became linked with Sylvania, it has placed a cloud on the quality of ALL their bulbs. I guess they no longer all come from Germany, so they're probably all the same.

P.S. Philips bulbs are always good quality bulbs (IMHO). So if the choice is between Philips or Osram, I would take the Philips bulb....unless there was a substantial price difference.
post #2980 of 3613
just got my replacement lamp, but i think i'll wait until there is actually a problem, or should i replace it now?

got a question about getting the tv to play through a rec. just got my dn1000 a couple days ago and the bd playback via hdmi through my ps3 is VERY cool, but I am having a problem. I cannot get the tv's audio to play through the receiver. have plain cable(coax, no box) into the tv and using the optical out to the dn1000's tv opt in, but do not get any sound. tried various sound field modes, nothing, tried opt into the sat and bd inputs and same, have the rec set to amp and not amp+tv because the signal isn't passing through the rec just to it. know the opt cable is good, was using it for output from ps3 to old rec. on the a2020 have speakers set to off and audio out set to fixed. if i am remembering correctly, i think that i may have tried to hook up the tv to my old rec and it never did work i always thought i had it setup wrong... not sure about that though. is there a menu option or switch to use external audio that i'm missing. will try rca cables next but still any thoughts would be appreciated. thanks guys!
post #2981 of 3613
TV will only output optical from it's own tuner, not pass thru from other inputs. Sorry. Best to connect optical directly from your source to your receiver if you want DD/DTS. Otherwise RCA will give you stereo at least. Most TV's work that way AFAIK.
post #2982 of 3613
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

TV will only output optical from it's own tuner, not pass thru from other inputs. Sorry. Best to connect optical directly from your source to your receiver if you want DD/DTS. Otherwise RCA will give you stereo at least. Most TV's work that way AFAIK.

By tuner do you mean over the air only? I do use the tv to go through the cable channels. It's just coax from the wall to the tv. tried rca and that does work, but I would prefer opt. though, my rec does a decent 3.1 reproduction.
post #2983 of 3613
Hello I know this is the Sony KDS thread but can someone please help me with my Sony KDF655 rear projection tv. It has this pink pattern that just come out today along the right side. What can be causing this? I attached some photos.
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post #2984 of 3613
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Originally Posted by bori View Post

Hello I know this is the Sony KDS thread but can someone please help me with my Sony KDF655 rear projection tv. It has this pink pattern that just come out today along the right side. What can be causing this? I attached some photos.

http://sites.google.com/site/sonylcdrptvproblems/
post #2985 of 3613
just replaced my lamp and it looks great. there had been some dimming, but gradual so not very noticeable. had a slight flicker that i've seen since day one, but no one else saw it so i chalked it up as a flashback. finally, a friend asked me about the flicker last week, so I decided to replace the lamp. no flicker now and the picture is definitely brighter. i noticed a few of you mention using high alt mode, what is the benefit there, i'm in west Texas, btw. thanks!
post #2986 of 3613
so what happen at the hearing?
post #2987 of 3613
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Originally Posted by popmasina View Post

so what happen at the hearing?

I believe there ended up being a total of three days of hearings, the last of which was around last Thursday. I have not heard anything yet. Perhaps the judge is still considering the matter before making his decision.
post #2988 of 3613
I have a Sony KDS-50A2020 that I have had about 3 years no problems then the other day turned on the set to find the Bulb must have burned out Last I checked the lamp hours was a year after I purchased the set and there were around 1500 hours so the bulb might have had 4500 hours or so on it.. I thought they lasted 6000-8000 hours?? The green light blinks a few min and then the red lamp light starts to blink. On close inspection I can hear the lamp fan kick in and after a few seconds I can see a faint light with an elecrical type buzz goes off twice then twice again a few seconds later then the red light starts to flash. I am assuming that is the ballast trying to light the lamp and then since the lamp is out the red lamp light kicks in. Is this the right assumption? Hope so cause I have a bulb in route. Just thought the lamp would have last closer to 6000 hours. Did not even notice and dimming.. Maybe it was so gradual I did not notice. Never heard a pop nothing.. Also should I not have had a lamp warning indicator message of some sort. Thought when it was getting near end of life the sony gave a text message to replace bulb soon or something?? Just hope it is just the lamp. If not I may just grab the Panasonic Plasma I have been wanting to purchase.. Any feedback would be great.. Thanks...
post #2989 of 3613
I replaced mine with a "Osram" and it only lasted about 2,000 hours and it burned out and cracked. Bought a Sylvania this time for a few dollars more and I expect better results this time.
post #2990 of 3613
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Originally Posted by Trashguy9 View Post

I replaced mine with a "Osram" and it only lasted about 2,000 hours and it burned out and cracked. Bought a Sylvania this time for a few dollars more and I expect better results this time.

Googled "Osram" and it appears to be a Sylvania brand? Hoping for a "Philips". Will find out in a couple of days going stir crazy no big screen.. Odd thing no warning text saying the bulb is near end of life thought the sony gave you a warning? Did not even notice any diming only had like 4800 or so hours on it. Willl hold my breath that the TV comes on after I replace the bulb would suck if it still would not come on
post #2991 of 3613
I think the warning comes into play when you reach the 8,000 hours thing and is just to let you know that it may go soon. When my replacement Osram burned out, it just went to black and I figured it was the bulb. Do some more "Googling" on Osarm and I think you will find that it is not as good as the original Sylvania. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/smilies/smile.gif
post #2992 of 3613
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Originally Posted by Trashguy9 View Post

...Do some more "Googling" on Osarm and I think you will find that it is not as good as the original Sylvania...

I think you may be confused. Osram IS Sylvania. The original bulb was Philips, not Sylvania. FWIW, I have over 4000 hrs on my Osram and it's still going strong. Where did you find a Sylvania bulb? I've never seen one.

Also be aware that improper handling of a bulb can shorten its life. Always use gloves and treat it gently of course.
post #2993 of 3613
Yea, your right. I meant to say Phillips. Awhile before the Osram burned out/cracked, I did notice the screen getting darker as time went on. By the way my KDS60A2020 now has the yellow stain in all the shadows as of last week. Had this TV for almost 3 years, so I knew I was do for it to happen. Am waiting for the repair guy to get back to me.
post #2994 of 3613
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Originally Posted by Trashguy9 View Post

I replaced mine with a "Osram" and it only lasted about 2,000 hours and it burned out and cracked. Bought a Sylvania this time for a few dollars more and I expect better results this time.

What you say about the "yellow stain" is troubling to me since, if I recall, others in this and the A2000 thread having reported similar problems after replacing bulbs. While Sony has never detailed exactly what the problem with the optical blocks is (because they told the court they corrected it), I believe it's the filters in the OB that are being damaged by heat. Whether that could be from dust, either lodging in the fan assembly or just general dirt that just doesn't come out with simple vacuuming, I don't know. What seems to be common is that many people report the most trouble AFTER they replaced the bulb....and most of the replacements seem to be Osrams. I wonder if the wattage is identical to the OEM bulbs? I have close to 8K hours on my 60A2020 and while it may flicker occasionally and is getting darker, I've had "blacks looking purple" since about 4K hours. I just turned the blue bias all the way down to get it to look half way decent because I don't want to get a REBUILT optical block that Sony has beem using under warranty, since I could wind up with something that's worse. Just for the record, from day one I always used the "economy mode", since is was way too bright anyway when it was new.

The whole thing comes down to a heat problem and Sony knows it. On some of the older models, the lamp doors have melted and become deformed. If it wasn't for the noise, I would use the "high altitude" fan setting. I'm a BIG fan of LCoS (Sony's SXRD or JVC's D'ILA) projection and have used many different JVC D'ILA projectors over the years with NO optical block problems. I currently use a JVC RS35 in my HT, which works great.

Sony should just DO THE RIGHT THING with these "Grand Wegas" and offer a GRAND exchange for these stiffs to ALL the people they stuck with them and do it for a reasonable cost. Recently, they seem to offering all different deals to people, with no rhyme or reason as to the amounts or models. In some cases, you can buy the set they're offering for LESS money than they're offering. Sony seems to have the worst customer service and PR in the business (if you don't include companies like Toyota that ruined themselves over NOTHING).
post #2995 of 3613
Is there a way to check for this? Or is it something that is easily noticeable if your affected? I'm just wondering because I have one of the A2020s and would hate to have the problem and miss the warranty. I have not noticed any problems with the TV up to this point and have been more than satisfied with it.
post #2996 of 3613
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Originally Posted by loki993 View Post

Is there a way to check for this? Or is it something that is easily noticeable if your affected? I'm just wondering because I have one of the A2020s and would hate to have the problem and miss the warranty. I have not noticed any problems with the TV up to this point and have been more than satisfied with it.

Put up all white, all gray (50-80%), and all black screens, then look for discolorations.
post #2997 of 3613
Update on the class action lawsuit against Sony on Q006, XBR2, A2000, A2020, and A3000 models (see my Class Action Lawsuits page for additional details)

A class action lawsuit, which I consider an outrageous affront to Sony's SXRD customers, received preliminary approval by a federal court on May 21, 2010. In most cases, the settlement offers only a month or two of additional warranty coverage, and Sony can opt to provide small cash settlements in the low hundreds of dollars (representing only about 10% of the original retail prices) rather than ensuring consumers have non-defective TVs.

In the case of A2020 models, the warranty extension is for an additional 6 months (through 12/2010), and the cash settlement is $200-$300, depending on size.

One plaintiff named Sabrina Cardenas from Eustace, Texas purchased an A2020 model that experienced a color anomaly. She, through her attorneys (Federman & Sherwood), is settling for all customers of all SXRD TVs, other than the previously settled XBR1 models.

Counsel for Cardenas (Federman & Sherwood) largely copied the work of other class actions that had been in progress for about a year, and Sony quickly settled with them for terms that provide little or no relief for the affected consumers, superseding the previous class actions. They also requested an injunction against any legal actions by customers pending final settlement. The group is seeking up to $625,000 in attorney fees and expenses.

Customers should start receiving Notices of the proposed class action settlement over the next several weeks, and there is apparently a Fairness Hearing for final approval scheduled on 8/13/2010 at 2 PM. Apparently, the judge insisted on certain changes to the Notices, which I have not seen yet. However, based on my understanding of the originally proposed Notice, customers have the following options (see the final Notice to Class for specific instructions, which is not yet available):
  • Do nothing -- You become a member of the Class and are bound by the terms described below.
  • Submit a claim form -- If you already paid for repair(s) and/or if you purchased a Sony extended service plan through Service Net Solutions after 10/1/2008 (and wish to cancel it), you can get reimbursed for the costs.
  • Written objection -- Write a letter to the Court (with copies to the attorneys of Sony and Cardenas) objecting to the settlement. You will still be bound by the terms if the judge grants final approval.
  • Object in person -- You can object to the settlement in person at the 8/13/2010 Fairness Hearing in New York City, if you provide the Court with a Notice of Appearance (with copies to the attorneys of Sony and Cardenas). You will still be bound by the terms if the judge grants final approval.
  • Exclude yourself -- You can mail a letter to the attorneys for Cardenas to opt out of the settlement. You can then pursue your own legal action. However, you cannot raise any objections to the class action or benefit from any of its terms. In addition, Sony admits no fault in the class actions, and it is unrealistic to think that any substantial number of consumers will be able to try their own separate cases against Sony, given the need in some jurisdictions for expert witnesses, subpoenaed documents, etc.
If you do not receive a Notice, you will almost surely still be bound by the terms after final approval, so, if you do not receive the Notice in a reasonable amount of time, you should contact the Cardenas attorneys to be placed on the Class list and request one.

See my Class Action Lawsuits page for samples of objection letters I wrote previously.
post #2998 of 3613
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Originally Posted by Trashguy9 View Post

Yea, your right. I meant to say Phillips. Awhile before the Osram burned out/cracked, I did notice the screen getting darker as time went on. By the way my KDS60A2020 now has the yellow stain in all the shadows as of last week. Had this TV for almost 3 years, so I knew I was do for it to happen. Am waiting for the repair guy to get back to me.

For anyone looking for the phillips for the 55a2020
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KDS-55A20.../ref=pd_cp_e_1
Amazon has the oem phillips
post #2999 of 3613
splinke - thanks for your continued diligence in reporting on this situation. It appears that Federman and Sherwood were mostly concerned about their fees. The consumer is getting the shaft.
post #3000 of 3613
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Originally Posted by krisjan View Post

splinke - thanks for your continued diligence in reporting on this situation. It appears that Federman and Sherwood were mostly concerned about their fees. The consumer is getting the shaft.


Just the names of those lawyers gives me chills.

F-E-D-E-R-M-A-N = FEED ER MAN=FEED THE MAN

What can you say about SHERWOOD=SHERWOOD FOREST=ROBIN HOOD....However, in this case, Robs from the POOR and Gives To The Rich.
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