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post #3451 of 3613
4/22/11 at 12:47pm
My A2000 just crapped out again and im getting the 5 blinking lights of death. This things been through two light engines and two bulbs since 07. Now Sony is claiming they wont repair anything unless i have a tech come out on my own dime and prove that it is the light engine that failed. What a pain in the ass. At least it has okay PQ when it works.
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post #3452 of 3613
4/22/11 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by richb2599 View Post

Question...for those who have had their bad SXRD replaced, what have you done with the defective set? Is there any market out there for these things, or do they wind up in the landfill?

Rich

Hey Rich,

Regardless of what I do with my KDS-60A2000, I'm going to fix it by sending the Optical Block off to John Breton (http://sites.google.com/site/sonylcd...ockreplacement) for ~$250. I'm definitely NOT going to throw it in the dump.

I considered keeping it and putting it in my bedroom, but I've surmised it would take up ENTIRELY too much space and that any TV I put in there has to be wall-mounted. With that said, I'm going to either sell it or (more than likely) donate it to my church after it's fixed.

My church has an AWESOME A/V group that can swap optical blocks again once the refurbished one I install gives up the ghost; hopefully it'll last at least three years after the refurb. If I ultimately donate it to my church (which is what I'm heavily leaning toward), I'll write it off my taxes as a $1,500 charitable donation...it's WELL WORTH that much when it's working.

If in the unlikely event I decide to sell it locally, I'll advertise it on eBay or Craig's list for LOCAL pickup only for $1,500 and see what kind of action I get on it.

As a last resort, I might see if my buddy in the Army is interested in it with the full disclosure that it'll probably need an OB refurb in 3 years or less. I'm not going to "give it away" and I would take no less than $1,200 from him, as it'll be a PERFECTLY awesome TV after the OB fix.

Those are my personal options......
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post #3453 of 3613
4/22/11 at 1:22pm
I gave mine away to a young co-worker just starting out in his first apartment. He came with a friend and a van and later wrote me the nicest thank you text I had ever received.
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post #3454 of 3613
4/22/11 at 3:20pm
Ok, if I understand what the Bluish Black defect is from reading other posts, it might be time for me to contact Sony. This is my 60a2020 purchased June 2007. OB was replaced just 9 months ago. Is this grounds for "divorce"? (Replacement offer?) I still have over a year left on my Sony extended warrantee.
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post #3455 of 3613
4/22/11 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by richb2599 View Post

Ok, if I understand what the Bluish Black defect is from reading other posts, it might be time for me to contact Sony. This is my 60a2020 purchased June 2007. OB was replaced just 9 months ago. Is this grounds for "divorce"? (Replacement offer?) I still have over a year left on my Sony extended warrantee.


If you have time left on your warranty you may be able to wait a while, but, if your black is beginning to look blue/purple, it's just a matter of time before it gets worse. It is least apparent when watching Bright lit live TV, since that has the least shadows to show up the problem.
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post #3456 of 3613
4/27/11 at 8:10am
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If you have time left on your warranty you may be able to wait a while, but, if your black is beginning to look blue/purple, it's just a matter of time before it gets worse. It is least apparent when watching Bright lit live TV, since that has the least shadows to show up the problem.

Well, I decided to contact Sony. I sent photos, warranty info, etc. to Sarah. Actually, the photos were to show the purple splotches in the upper right and lower left corners of the screen that I discovered. She gave me an event number and the phone number to call about a replacement offer for my 60" A2020. First offer...46EX420! It was free but 46" for my 60"? Then they upped it to a 55" HX800 for $600. I looked at the HX800 on display at Costco and it looked pretty good, but the wife (huge football fan!) said 55" is too small for our room.

Finally after a long wait, they offered the 60" EX720 for $960. Probably not a bad deal, but there was no consideration for the extended service plan I have on the SXRD. They said I had to take that up with the warranty people. So I was forwarded to that department. They had no record of my warranty purchase even though I had the paperwork right in front of me. As it stands today, I emailed copies of the paperwork to them. They are to somehow verify my purchase and contact me today. But it sounds like they will just want to do the OB repair again.

So, I wonder...Do I go ahead with another OB for now and when that fails go through the replacement process again? If Sony is still doing that? Or pony up the $960 now for the EX720? I have read the reviews and lengthy discussions on the forum about that TV and wonder if I would be happy with it. I was really hoping for the 60NX810 offer but no dice so far.
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post #3457 of 3613
4/27/11 at 10:03am
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Well, I decided to contact Sony. I sent photos, warranty info, etc. to Sarah. Actually, the photos were to show the purple splotches in the upper right and lower left corners of the screen that I discovered. She gave me an event number and the phone number to call about a replacement offer for my 60" A2020. First offer...46EX420! It was free but 46" for my 60"? Then they upped it to a 55" HX800 for $600. I looked at the HX800 on display at Costco and it looked pretty good, but the wife (huge football fan!) said 55" is too small for our room.

Finally after a long wait, they offered the 60" EX720 for $960. Probably not a bad deal, but there was no consideration for the extended service plan I have on the SXRD. They said I had to take that up with the warranty people. So I was forwarded to that department. They had no record of my warranty purchase even though I had the paperwork right in front of me. As it stands today, I emailed copies of the paperwork to them. They are to somehow verify my purchase and contact me today. But it sounds like they will just want to do the OB repair again.

So, I wonder...Do I go ahead with another OB for now and when that fails go through the replacement process again? If Sony is still doing that? Or pony up the $960 now for the EX720? I have read the reviews and lengthy discussions on the forum about that TV and wonder if I would be happy with it. I was really hoping for the 60NX810 offer but no dice so far.

I can't tell you which TV offer is best for your use, however, I WOULD NOT go for another optical block....unless you're prepared to junk the TV after the replacement OB goes bad in about the same time or less than your current one.

BTW-If it's just splotches and not all purple, it may just be dust or dirt.
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post #3458 of 3613
4/27/11 at 10:34am
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I can't tell you which TV offer is best for your use, however, I WOULD NOT go for another optical block....unless you're prepared to junk the TV after the replacement OB goes bad in about the same time or less than your current one.

BTW-If it's just splotches and not all purple, it may just be dust or dirt.

Thanks Techman,

I hear you about no more OBs! You just confirmed that for me. The "splotches" are actually more like significant areas of the screen. Anyway, I'm beginning to lean more towards the 60EX720. 3D performance is not a big issue for us. Just never been that impressed with sports in 3D. The review I read on television info.com was more favorable than I had seen from Cnet. I just need to go see one in person, but I'm leaning that way. Seems like a lot of TV for $960. Thanks again.

Rich
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post #3459 of 3613
4/27/11 at 10:59am
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Thanks Techman,

I hear you about no more OBs! You just confirmed that for me. The "splotches" are actually more like significant areas of the screen. Anyway, I'm beginning to lean more towards the 60EX720. 3D performance is not a big issue for us. Just never been that impressed with sports in 3D. The review I read on television info.com was more favorable than I had seen from Cnet. I just need to go see one in person, but I'm leaning that way. Seems like a lot of TV for $960. Thanks again.

Rich

I had an 60A2020 and wound up getting the 55NX810 and can tell you that I'M NOT IMPRESSED with the 3D (and I have many years setting up 3D in movie theatres). The Panasonic plasmas (with a 600Mhz refresh rate) are much better for 3D and don't show any ghosting.

It's funny that some people with only 55" A2020's got offered 60" NX810's, while I had a 60" A2020, like you, and was only offered the one offer of the 55" NX810. While my wife wanted me to argue with them for a 60" TV, after dealing with Sony Industrial Products for many years, I'm just plain MAD about the whole thing since Sony KNEW WHEN I BOUGHT THE A2020 that they NEVER found a real fix for the older A2000's and were just replacing the OB's.

In the end, I wound up with the NX810 for about $690 (I think), BUT, I paid $268 for a 3D kit on Amazon....which wasn't worth the cost.

FYI- It's interesting to note that Sony is having problems with their front projection SXRD DCI projectors used in theatres. While SXRD (or JVC's D'ILA, which at this point hasn't shown any OB problems) has THE BEST picture quality (IMHO), this optical block problem has become a bad joke. It's hard to believe that ALL Sony's engineers couldn't at least have redesigned the OB system on later models to correct the problems. However, Sony chose to simply stop making the BEST looking TV (when new) they ever made.
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post #3460 of 3613
4/27/11 at 1:29pm
Thanks for the info. So, how does the NX810 do with 2D?
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post #3461 of 3613
4/28/11 at 11:31am
Up here in Canada I was offered the 55EX620 for $600 and the 55EX720 for $1000 to replace my 55A2020 that had the OB problem. I only paid 1600 for my SXRD 3 1/2 years ago so I can't complain too much. I'm not sold on 3D just yet so the 620 looks like the way to go.

Not much info on this TV yet but the few threads I did see said mostly good things.
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post #3462 of 3613
4/28/11 at 3:37pm
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Up here in Canada I was offered the 55EX620 for $600 and the 55EX720 for $1000 to replace my 55A2020 that had the OB problem. I only paid 1600 for my SXRD 3 1/2 years ago so I can't complain too much. I'm not sold on 3D just yet so the 620 looks like the way to go.

Not much info on this TV yet but the few threads I did see said mostly good things.


Are those amounts in Canadian or U.S. money?
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post #3463 of 3613
4/28/11 at 3:46pm
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Are those amounts in Canadian or U.S. money?

Actually our dollar is higher right now by 5 cents. That's cool because I'm headed to Vegas this weekend.
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post #3464 of 3613
4/28/11 at 3:47pm
Well I just accepted the replacement offer to replace my 60A2020 purchased 6/8/2007 for $2400 with the KDL60EX720 for $950 + tax. I spent the morning on the phone trying to get Sony to improve the offer since I have a valid extended service plan from Sony, but do dice. They gave me two options...have the SXRD OB replaced for the second time or accept the existing offer. They said if and when the new OB failed, I could call Sony again and ask about a replacement. He thought they would still be doing replacements for a year. Not sure I wanted to count on that. I decided it was "Pay me now or Pay me later". So might as well start enjoying the new set now. BTW, I tried and tried to get them to offer the NX810 or the NX720 even if I was willing to wait till they were available, but they wouldn't do it.

Rich
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post #3465 of 3613
5/3/11 at 3:23pm
Well I'll say one thing for Sony...they are moving pretty fast on these replacement deals. I accepted their offer on thursday, mailed my photo and documentation on Friday and received the email today, Tuesday, that they are processing my order for my replacement TV. They do say it will take approximately 3 weeks for delivery, but from other's experience, it may not take that long. Glad this will all be behind me now.
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post #3466 of 3613
5/3/11 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by richb2599 View Post

Well I just accepted the replacement offer to replace my 60A2020 purchased 6/8/2007 for $2400 with the KDL60EX720 for $950 + tax. I spent the morning on the phone trying to get Sony to improve the offer since I have a valid extended service plan from Sony, but do dice. They gave me two options...have the SXRD OB replaced for the second time or accept the existing offer. They said if and when the new OB failed, I could call Sony again and ask about a replacement. He thought they would still be doing replacements for a year. Not sure I wanted to count on that. I decided it was "Pay me now or Pay me later". So might as well start enjoying the new set now. BTW, I tried and tried to get them to offer the NX810 or the NX720 even if I was willing to wait till they were available, but they wouldn't do it.

Rich

Other than the "Dynamic LED" side lighting and built in WiFi, the EX is the same as the NX. I got a 55NX810 for my 60A2020 and would have gladly taken the 60" EX for a few dollars more instead of the 55NX.
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post #3467 of 3613
5/7/11 at 12:24am
Received my replacement 60EX720 today. The entire process only took 9 days from first email to sonylistens to unpacking in my living room! Amazing.
Now I need to find the right stand and find a buyer for my SXRD.
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post #3468 of 3613
5/7/11 at 9:29am
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Received my replacement 60EX720 today. The entire process only took 9 days from first email to sonylistens to unpacking in my living room! Amazing.
Now I need to find the right stand and find a buyer for my SXRD.

Good for you, my ordeal started March 23rd and I am now waiting for shipping confirmation my 60NX720 after they reneged on a 60nx810.
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post #3469 of 3613
5/12/11 at 12:25pm
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Up here in Canada I was offered the 55EX620 for $600 and the 55EX720 for $1000 to replace my 55A2020 that had the OB problem. I only paid 1600 for my SXRD 3 1/2 years ago so I can't complain too much. I'm not sold on 3D just yet so the 620 looks like the way to go.

Not much info on this TV yet but the few threads I did see said mostly good things.

They dropped off my new 55EX620 this morning so that's 2 weeks in total. I'm impressed.

I won't be able to test the TV until this weekend so we'll see how impressed after that.
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post #3470 of 3613
5/17/11 at 1:47pm
I have a problem that I haven't been able to find through searching.

When I turn my 50A2020 on and it is cold it takes a long time to display picture. The sound will begin to play but the picture takes much longer than it used to to show up. Then once it shows up I am unable to change the channel/volume/input, access the menu, or do anything to the TV for a long time. It is unresponsive. The amount of time this lasts varies, but it has taken up to 30 mins before it finally finishes booting up and gives me control. Could this possibly be the lamp going out? The picture doesn't look like it used to.
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post #3471 of 3613
5/17/11 at 3:03pm
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I have a problem that I haven't been able to find through searching.

When I turn my 50A2020 on and it is cold it takes a long time to display picture. The sound will begin to play but the picture takes much longer than it used to to show up. Then once it shows up I am unable to change the channel/volume/input, access the menu, or do anything to the TV for a long time. It is unresponsive. The amount of time this lasts varies, but it has taken up to 30 mins before it finally finishes booting up and gives me control. Could this possibly be the lamp going out? The picture doesn't look like it used to.

UHP bulbs are similar to xenon bulbs, with regard to striking up and the time it takes to come up to full brightness and color temp. As the bulb gets older it can take more striking attempts to start and a longer time to reach its normal color temperature.

However, in your case, 30 minutes before it gives you control is OFF THE WALL. Assuming that the bulb is so worn out that it keeps striking over and over before it actually catches and stays on might account for the extended time, but, 30 minutes must be a record. If it is having trouble striking, you should change the bulb as soon as possible so it doesn't damage the high voltage striking coil.

With respect to your statement that the "picture doesn't look like it used to", are you referring to blacks and color shading, which has been endlessly discussed through this thread.
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post #3472 of 3613
5/17/11 at 7:35pm
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Good for you, my ordeal started March 23rd and I am now waiting for shipping confirmation my 60NX720 after they reneged on a 60nx810.

Just to update,

I received my 60NX720 today. The box had a damaged corner from the professional handling by DB Schenker. I have only opened the box to make sure the was no apparent damage, tomorrow my wall mount arrives and then the fun begins. On to the NX720 thread...
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post #3473 of 3613
5/18/11 at 11:27am
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UHP bulbs are similar to xenon bulbs, with regard to striking up and the time it takes to come up to full brightness and color temp. As the bulb gets older it can take more striking attempts to start and a longer time to reach its normal color temperature.

However, in your case, 30 minutes before it gives you control is OFF THE WALL. Assuming that the bulb is so worn out that it keeps striking over and over before it actually catches and stays on might account for the extended time, but, 30 minutes must be a record. If it is having trouble striking, you should change the bulb as soon as possible so it doesn't damage the high voltage striking coil.

With respect to your statement that the "picture doesn't look like it used to", are you referring to blacks and color shading, which has been endlessly discussed through this thread.


Thanks for the response. The truth is this was my TV originally and I sold it to my uncle so these problems were relayed to me. I witnessed the TV for a brief time and observed the problem, but the TV had only been off for 15 minutes so it only took a few minutes before I had control.

Also, the picture was on when I did not have control. Is this normal for the TV to not allow control until it reaches its normal color temperature or should I be able to control it as soon as I see picture?

As far as the picture not looking the same I thought that the TV had a somewhat blue tint to it like it was in brilliant mode but it was actually in standard mode (although there was little difference between the two modes when I remember they used to be very different looking). I have since read about the OB problems and I would have to spend some more time looking at the picture to decide if its just an old bulb or if the OB is going bad.
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post #3474 of 3613
5/18/11 at 12:21pm
Looks like Sony must have found some more NX810's. A friend of mine just showed me his new offer for a 55" for $250 as a replacement for his 60A2020! Sounded like a pretty good deal to me. They had offered him a 55" for $450 a month ago, but he didn't follow up with Sony until last week, then got the better deal. Go figure?

BTW, I've been trying out the 3D on my replacement EX720 using Xpand 103 Universal Glasses. Was watching some Direct TV programs of the Grand Canyon and Bull Riding. I was not very impressed with the 3d or the glasses! I'm actually going to return the glasses to Sears and hold off at least until there in more free programing to choose from. The glasses were ok, but nothing to write home about.
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post #3475 of 3613
5/18/11 at 2:23pm
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Thanks for the response. The truth is this was my TV originally and I sold it to my uncle so these problems were relayed to me. I witnessed the TV for a brief time and observed the problem, but the TV had only been off for 15 minutes so it only took a few minutes before I had control.

Also, the picture was on when I did not have control. Is this normal for the TV to not allow control until it reaches its normal color temperature or should I be able to control it as soon as I see picture?

As far as the picture not looking the same I thought that the TV had a somewhat blue tint to it like it was in brilliant mode but it was actually in standard mode (although there was little difference between the two modes when I remember they used to be very different looking). I have since read about the OB problems and I would have to spend some more time looking at the picture to decide if its just an old bulb or if the OB is going bad.

The "blue tint" you refer to is the OB bad or going bad. It's less noticeable on well lit live TV program that don't have any dark shadows. Old bulbs don't cause a blue tint, if anything, an old bulb shift more to redish brown. You can improve it a little as it goes bad by lowering the blue BIAS on user settings.

As for the control issue, there is a "small" amount of time when you first turn on the TV where you cannot issue any commands from the remote, however, I've never heard of it exceeding maybe 30 seconds MAXIMUM.
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post #3476 of 3613
5/18/11 at 2:53pm
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Looks like Sony must have found some more NX810's. A friend of mine just showed me his new offer for a 55" for $250 as a replacement for his 60A2020! Sounded like a pretty good deal to me. They had offered him a 55" for $450 a month ago, but he didn't follow up with Sony until last week, then got the better deal. Go figure?

Can you confirm that Sony offered your friend a 55NX810 for $250 for his BAD 60A2020? Or is there something more to the story? I know they made the same offer of $660+Tax to people with 55A2020 & 60A2020, that was enough of a screwing to people with a 60" boat anchor, but to now offer it for $250 shows what kind of company they REALLY are.

If it's true SONY SUCKS!
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post #3477 of 3613
5/18/11 at 4:32pm
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Can you confirm that Sony offered your friend a 55NX810 for $250 for his BAD 60A2020? Or is there something more to the story? I know they made the same offer of $660+Tax to people with 55A2020 & 60A2020, that was enough of a screwing to people with a 60" boat anchor, but to now offer it for $250 shows what kind of company they REALLY are.

If it's true SONY SUCKS!
I think so...he showed me the email on his smart phone from Sony today. They had 2 different 55" offers and one was more $. I think it was the HX800. I could have mixed them up, but I don't think so. I am certain of one thing...he was offered a 55" tv for $250.

It ticked me off because I just took the offer for the 60" EX720 for $950 2 weeks ago.
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post #3478 of 3613
5/19/11 at 6:51am
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The "blue tint" you refer to is the OB bad or going bad. It's less noticeable on well lit live TV program that don't have any dark shadows. Old bulbs don't cause a blue tint, if anything, an old bulb shift more to redish brown. You can improve it a little as it goes bad by lowering the blue BIAS on user settings.

As for the control issue, there is a "small" amount of time when you first turn on the TV where you cannot issue any commands from the remote, however, I've never heard of it exceeding maybe 30 seconds MAXIMUM.
Thanks. I'm thinking my best bet is to contact Sony about the OB issue and see what kind of deal they offer me.
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post #3479 of 3613
5/22/11 at 11:40am
I just put in a new post about my Sony KDS-55A2020. My TV has a green tint to everything. I don't see any splotches though..yet. Does my problem fall in with what every one else is having? I don't have an extended warrenty btw.

Jeff
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post #3480 of 3613
5/22/11 at 12:48pm
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I think so...he showed me the email on his smart phone from Sony today. They had 2 different 55" offers and one was more $. I think it was the HX800. I could have mixed them up, but I don't think so. I am certain of one thing...he was offered a 55" tv for $250.

It ticked me off because I just took the offer for the 60" EX720 for $950 2 weeks ago.

I just got off the phone with Sony and they were great about the problem. They offered me 3 TV's a 40,46, and a KDL 55NX810 for $675+tax. Is that a good offer or can I do better on the 55-810??

Jeff
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