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post #571 of 3613
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Originally Posted by powerknowledge View Post

1) If you wouldn't mind, could you tell me how you have the Oppo outputting to the TV, resolution-wise? Currently (for reasons I've posted either in this thread or elsewhere) I'm running an older Sony progressive scan DVD changer in at 480i, letting the set do all the deinterlacing and upscaling. I'm wondering specifically if the Oppo does a significantly better job than the TV's internal processing. I'd love to hear your thoughts (and if you were willing to do a quick compare, changing the oppo's output to 480i to see how the set's processing differs, I'd be ecstatic; I'm totally on the fence about whether pull the trigger on the oppo!).

2) I concur with the above post on letting the internal tuner do its own thing first. My pleasure with having my set delivered was matched only by the fact that as it set itself up, it found dozens of non-encrypted D/HD channels lurking in my $9.00/month, bare-bones analog basic package from Comcast. Of course, the point is moot if you want more than local and regional offerings, but it's worth a shot: who knows, maybe some great stuff is hiding in there too.

Thanks!

Sorry for the late response, I just noticed your post...

1) I have the Oppo outputting DVDs at 1080p (I love it). Some people like to knock the Oppo but this is from my experience. At first, I was having troubles with this then I realized how to switch the output from 480p to 1080p, it was at 480p on default. I noticed a significant difference between the output at 480p & 1080p- honestly, I think it's amazing. 480p was a bit "noisey" or what have you. I know you wanted to hear about 480i (which I don't think it does), but if 480p was all the Oppo was capable of I would have returned it. Outputting at 1080p does make a difference. Just my 2 cents- I think if you can get a player to output at the highest resolution, it doesn't make the TV work as hard to process the image. I watched a few movies (Matrix, Gladiator, Alpha Dog)- blacks and details were great. I tried the XBox Elite with the same DVDs and I wasn't impressed. It looked good, but the extra money I put down on the Oppo is definitely worth it. You don't sound like you're happy with your current player. Hop the fence and get one!

2) My only problem with the internal tuner is that I have DVR and I cannot live without it Another thing is that I have surround sound so the cable box is my best friend for both of these. I appreciate the heads up though!

Let me know if you want me to test any settings, I'll try and help you out.
post #572 of 3613
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Originally Posted by CyberShep32 View Post

2) My only problem with the internal tuner is that I have DVR and I cannot live without it Another thing is that I have surround sound so the cable box is my best friend for both of these. I appreciate the heads up though!

FYI, the set does have an optical audio output so you can hook the internal tuner to your surround receiver as well. I totally agree about the DVR capabilities, though.
post #573 of 3613
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Originally Posted by flibmeister View Post

I neglected to write down the serial number of my KDS-60A2020 before setting it up inside a large entertainment center, and I need it to register my extended warranty. I really don't want to take the TV out of the entertainment center apart to get the serial number.

I did find the Product Information page in the menus, and the #2 item on that page is an 8-digit number. Am I correct in assuming that's the serial number as found on the back of the set?

Thanks!

You would be correct.....of course I found this out after pulling the beast back out from the wall 60A2000 here but...same same
post #574 of 3613
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Originally Posted by DaBuzzard View Post

You would be correct.....of course I found this out after pulling the beast back out from the wall 60A2000 here but...same same

Thanks, that'll save me a lot of trouble!
post #575 of 3613
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Originally Posted by AccidenT View Post

FYI, the set does have an optical audio output so you can hook the internal tuner to your surround receiver as well. I totally agree about the DVR capabilities, though.

Does it put out at 5.1 though?
post #576 of 3613
Has anyone experienced HDMI flickering/dropouts with the Scientific Atlanta 8300 HD Cable Box with these sets? I seem to be running into issues whenever I change channels. I noticed it when I switch from a 1080i program to a lower resolution like 720p or vice versa. Any advice or magical settings to resolve this?
post #577 of 3613
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Originally Posted by CyberShep32 View Post

Has anyone experienced HDMI flickering/dropouts with the Scientific Atlanta 8300 HD Cable Box with these sets? I seem to be running into issues whenever I change channels. I noticed it when I switch from a 1080i program to a lower resolution like 720p or vice versa. Any advice or magical settings to resolve this?


the way I solve the problem when it happens to me is that I change the channel to a SD channel (i.e 3) and then back to whatever HD channel I was watching.
post #578 of 3613
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Originally Posted by CyberShep32 View Post

Does it put out at 5.1 though?

Yes. I am currently using QAM tuner with Comcast basic cable and I enjoy the Dolby Digital sound using the optical out from this set.
post #579 of 3613
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Originally Posted by neneloco View Post

the way I solve the problem when it happens to me is that I change the channel to a SD channel (i.e 3) and then back to whatever HD channel I was watching.

This works for me as well.
post #580 of 3613
I've had my 55A2020 for about a week now, and there's still one thing that's bothering me. When I sit directly in front of it (about 7.5' away) any time there's an image that's mostly one solid color, i notice a "bright spot" right in the center of the screen, about 8" in diameter. The best way I can describe it is the spot you see in the middle of the image of a front projector if you're projecting onto a slightly reflective surface. The pixels in this bright spot appear to be slightly multicolored much like a slightly wet crt screen appears. (In fact, when I first noticed this I thought the screen was just smeared and tried wiping it off, but that didn't change anything).

On most regular content, I don't really notice it, but on something like a hockey game where most of the screen is white ice, it's very noticeable. Also, if I sit offcenter to the TV so the viewing angle is more like 30-45 degrees, I don't notice it. Any tips?
post #581 of 3613
sounds like silk screen effect and yes it's very noticeable on the sony. if you are running the out of the box settings (vivid) you're really going to see it. the best you can do is dial down the contrast and brightness, but it i still see the glimmering screen on bright white scenes at 7-8 feet. if you haven't done so already, try the cnet settings for a good starting point.
post #582 of 3613
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Originally Posted by squeeblez View Post

Settings boil down to personal taste...unless ultimately you are trying to achieve accuracy, which depending on the person may, or may not be one in the same. Jacking up the sharpness will in the long run actually obscure fine detail and degrade the picture. Doing so contradicts every professional review and critical viewing I personally have read. But with the new circuitry in the A2020s this may not apply, as I have not read reviews on that specific model yet

Yes I know, I made the mistake of thinking the sharpness was off at 50 cause I started using a diffrent cleaner on my glass's that left a film over the lens's lol (I do have 20/20 with glass's)
post #583 of 3613
So what tv stand is everyone using? Im looking for a new stand for my 50A2020 but I need it to be the height of the sony one. Im thinking about geting the A2000 sony stand but im not sure how well it would go with the A2020's color wise.
post #584 of 3613
I'm using this one with my 55A2020, but it looks like it's about 5" higher than the sony one: http://www.racksandstands.com/Tech-C...ml#ProdDetails

It gives me enough room to have my bookshelf speakers flanking the TV, and I really like the "furniture" look vs. the "open w/ sharp glass shelves" look of many of the tv stands I saw in retail stores. The fact that I have a 17 month old has a lot to do with that though.
post #585 of 3613
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Originally Posted by AccidenT View Post

I've had my 55A2020 for about a week now, and there's still one thing that's bothering me. When I sit directly in front of it (about 7.5' away) any time there's an image that's mostly one solid color, i notice a "bright spot" right in the center of the screen, about 8" in diameter. The best way I can describe it is the spot you see in the middle of the image of a front projector if you're projecting onto a slightly reflective surface. The pixels in this bright spot appear to be slightly multicolored much like a slightly wet crt screen appears. (In fact, when I first noticed this I thought the screen was just smeared and tried wiping it off, but that didn't change anything).

On most regular content, I don't really notice it, but on something like a hockey game where most of the screen is white ice, it's very noticeable. Also, if I sit offcenter to the TV so the viewing angle is more like 30-45 degrees, I don't notice it. Any tips?

As louky said, it's called "Silk Screen Effect" and it is there on most all RPTVs. It is caused by the screen still being so ever slightly transparent and you are actually seeing the light engine (Optical Block). It is a lot less noticable on CRT RPTVs because the light source(s) are larger - but the effect is still there.
post #586 of 3613
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

As louky said, it's called "Silk Screen Effect" and it is there on most all RPTVs. It is caused by the screen still being so ever slightly transparent and you are actually seeing the light engine (Optical Block). It is a lot less noticable on CRT RPTVs because the light source(s) are larger - but the effect is still there.

He was describing something more in the center of the screen 8. From what I can tell on my 60a2020 the SSE is pretty even across the screen, and more sparkle than multicolor at 10 feet, but I haven't really tied to see if it was brighter or worse in the center.
post #587 of 3613
I have noticed that adjusting the color temp settings to Warm does a lot to reduce the SSE. It used to annoy me, but using a warmer white setting makes it livable.
post #588 of 3613
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Originally Posted by TimothyB View Post

He was describing something more in the center of the screen 8. From what I can tell on my 60a2020 the SSE is pretty even across the screen, and more sparkle than multicolor at 10 feet, but I haven't really tied to see if it was brighter or worse in the center.

No, what he described is commonly called the Silk Screen Effect. I don't know why, but that's the "tag" this effect has usually been given.

I the effect that you are referring to is the Screen Door Effect. See this FAQ.

Confusing, I know - but................
post #589 of 3613
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Originally Posted by AccidenT View Post

I'm using this one with my 55A2020, but it looks like it's about 5" higher than the sony one: http://www.racksandstands.com/Tech-C...ml#ProdDetails

It gives me enough room to have my bookshelf speakers flanking the TV, and I really like the "furniture" look vs. the "open w/ sharp glass shelves" look of many of the tv stands I saw in retail stores. The fact that I have a 17 month old has a lot to do with that though.

Thanks for the link! I found a stand that I like that seems to be a perfect fit for the 50A2020's http://www.racksandstands.com/Ameriw...96-AR1355.html
post #590 of 3613
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

No, what he described is commonly called the Silk Screen Effect. I don't know why, but that's the "tag" this effect has usually been given.

I the effect that you are referring to is the Screen Door Effect. See this FAQ.

Confusing, I know - but................

I see SSE as more of a gritty texture behind the screen that sparkles, twinkles, glitter, sugar, or what you want to describe it as when you move your head or stands out like the screen looks dirty if something pans. But no way do I mix it up as a fine grid of space between pixels like SDE would be like on LCD type products
post #591 of 3613
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Originally Posted by TimothyB View Post

I see SSE as more of a gritty texture behind the screen that sparkles, twinkles, glitter, sugar, or what you want to describe it as when you move your head or stands out like the screen looks dirty if something pans. But no way do I mix it up as a fine grid of space between pixels like SDE would be like on LCD type products

That's it - but it is not even across the screen (SDE is).

I think we are together.

The gritty texture/glitter is due to the interaction between the vertical grooves on the back of the image forming screen, and the pixels in the light engine.
post #592 of 3613
I have been reading for a while and just joined. I have the 60a2020 and just watched an entire show for the first time tonight. I watched CSI using Comcast cable direct to tv and optical audio out to my 5.1 surround. Set right out of the box with no adjustments at all yet. Sitting aprox 10 ft from set. Unreal picture quality with no complaints at all yet. I will play with it a bit over the weekend and try some other setting but the way it looked tonight I cant imagine it getting any better. I made my own stand using the factory size specs. Great reading on here. Ill post back soon.
post #593 of 3613
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Originally Posted by TimothyB View Post

He was describing something more in the center of the screen 8. From what I can tell on my 60a2020 the SSE is pretty even across the screen, and more sparkle than multicolor at 10 feet, but I haven't really tied to see if it was brighter or worse in the center.

The light you see in the middle of the screen is normal. It's just the reflection of an exterior light reflecting off the optical block. You can see it in the stores when the TV is off. It has nothing to do with the TV, it doesn't affect the picture.
post #594 of 3613
Can someone post a picture of what SSE actually looks like? I've never seen an RPTV before (in a calibrated, home setting) but I'm very interested in this one, so I'd like to know if someone has pictures. Thanks.
post #595 of 3613
To clarify: I believe what I'm seeing is SSE. It's visible on areas of the screen besides the center if I focus on those, but it's most noticeable in the center. It's definitely not a reflection of an exterior light since I'm seeing it in a completely dark room (dark except for the light from the TV, that is) and it does affect the picture (whites seem slightly multicolored instead of white), but I already seem to be getting used to it. I think it was most noticeable when I was really looking closely at small portions of the picture to see the extra detail that this set provides. If I focus on the overall image I barely notice it except on all-white backgrounds. I'll try the warmer color setting to see if that reduces it at all.
post #596 of 3613
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Originally Posted by fanerman View Post

Can someone post a picture of what SSE actually looks like? I've never seen an RPTV before (in a calibrated, home setting) but I'm very interested in this one, so I'd like to know if someone has pictures. Thanks.

I'll try tonight to see if it's something that a camera will pick up.
post #597 of 3613
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Originally Posted by CyberShep32 View Post

Sorry for the late response, I just noticed your post...

1) I have the Oppo outputting DVDs at 1080p (I love it). Some people like to knock the Oppo but this is from my experience. At first, I was having troubles with this then I realized how to switch the output from 480p to 1080p, it was at 480p on default. I noticed a significant difference between the output at 480p & 1080p- honestly, I think it's amazing. 480p was a bit "noisey" or what have you. I know you wanted to hear about 480i (which I don't think it does), but if 480p was all the Oppo was capable of I would have returned it. Outputting at 1080p does make a difference. Just my 2 cents- I think if you can get a player to output at the highest resolution, it doesn't make the TV work as hard to process the image. I watched a few movies (Matrix, Gladiator, Alpha Dog)- blacks and details were great. I tried the XBox Elite with the same DVDs and I wasn't impressed. It looked good, but the extra money I put down on the Oppo is definitely worth it. You don't sound like you're happy with your current player. Hop the fence and get one!

2) My only problem with the internal tuner is that I have DVR and I cannot live without it Another thing is that I have surround sound so the cable box is my best friend for both of these. I appreciate the heads up though!

Let me know if you want me to test any settings, I'll try and help you out.

Thanks so much for the reply! I think you just made a sale for Oppo. The only further question I'd have is whether you've noticed macroblocking with the 981 (I know it's more pronounced with DLP sets; some have said it's also the case with LCoS).

Thanks again!
post #598 of 3613
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Originally Posted by lipcrkr View Post

It has nothing to do with the TV, it doesn't affect the picture.

???????????????? If you see it while watching TV, how can you say that "it doesn't affect the picture."?

Perhaps you meant to say that it does not indicate that anything is wrong with the set.
post #599 of 3613
quick question. when watching a high def channel from direct tv or Comcast.. and it is displayed with the Black bars in the side instead of the 16:9 format... what does that mean and is it coming in 1080i, 720p, or 480. just wondering, becasue when watching HD programming in 16:9 format it looks great, but when it is brodcasted with the bars on the side, the picture looks a little grainy ( is that normal)... because i thought that a few weeks ago it still looked a little pretty good even with the bars.. i was worried their was a problem with the TV, but not sure. any help would be appreciated..
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