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post #211 of 8724
Greg,

Do you know what level the Toshiba HD-A1 uses? I'd like to think it uses the digital video level but am not sure.

Thanks

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post #212 of 8724
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Originally Posted by Cam Man View Post

You need to select the proper set-up for HD and SD (HDMI level). SD=Standard HD=Enhanced. Black crush very obvious on HD if standard is selected.

Enhanced mode is for PC signal levels, it is not for HD. You should use the Standard mode for all "standard" video signals. If you are getting crushed blacks with the Standard mode, then your source is not producing "standard" video signal levels.
post #213 of 8724
Finally looked at the RS-1 and Ruby together last night. At this point, I've decided to replace the Ruby bulb (currently on 2nd bulb which has 364 hrs) before comparing the PJ's again. Having just read the days posts from other owners, I'll pass on the superlatives, of which there are many, because it has all already been said in these other posts.

I will say this, it was clear to those viewing last night that the RS-1 had the better PQ. Not that the Ruby didn't hold it's own, it did. What I'm wondering at this point is how much of the difference was based on the the hours on the Ruby bulb. I'm ordering a new bulb which will arrive by Friday.

The RS-1's ability to provide depth in dark scenes while still resolving shawdows and not affecting the brighter images in the scene is incredible, and clearly beats the Ruby in this regard (no surprise considering the DI).

A quick example, at the very beginning of Batman Begins, the bats, in huge numbers, are flying around a clouded sky with sunlight peeking through the clouds in the background. On the RS-1, the contrast was excellent, there was a 3d affect to the bats, the image was sharp, and the sunlight was bright. On the Ruby, not as much 3d (but still very good), not quite as sharp (I thought, but others thought the Ruby was as sharp), and the sunlight was very subdued. Likewise, the first prison fight scene taking place outside appears to be filmed with a very heavy overcast sky with the Ruby, which affected color rendition (clothing and grass). In contrast (no pun...), the RS-1 gave the impression the fight was taking place under a cover (overhang) with sunlight striking the field in the background being very noticeable and the color of the grass was a natural green (not muted (dull) as on the Ruby). It will be interesting to see if this changes with a new bulb.

I really cannot see, nor could the others present, why anyone would be concerned with light output. I was projecting to a 127" (16:9) FH, in a room with light colored walls and ceiling (however, I do have 5' to each side wall and 4' to the ceiling) in Normal mode. There was plenty of light. In fact, I would have settled for slightly less light. I occasionally like to watch two films in one sitting and would not want it any brighter. In normal mode, the RS-1 is nearly silent.

OOTB, color was natural to the eye (fabulous colors). No convergence issues at all and blacks were as described by others (excellent).

Corner brightness? What corner brightness? Seriously, I cannot explain others concerns in this area, but it was/is a non-issue for me and the others present.

We will be taking a closer look on Friday.

Jim
post #214 of 8724
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Originally Posted by gregr View Post

I talked to JVC today. JVC Japan is still testing its fix for the problem. They obviously want to be sure no hidden issues remain. I don't expect to see it this week. I still don't know if the firmware fix will be upgradeable over the RS-232 port, but I will let you know when I know for certain. They intend to send me the fix (upgradeable firmware or whatever form it takes) when they receive it.

Not trying to be a pest, but I asked Jason to hold my shipment until it was determined whether or not users could upgrade. In that light - all disclaimers in place - what is your opinion about the likelihood that the RS-232 port will accept firmware upgrades?

Thanks...
post #215 of 8724
Greg,

Thanks for that primer on the different video issues. And Lovingdvd, that would support your earlier comment. I'll explore why the mix-up and how it lead to the right thing.
post #216 of 8724
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Originally Posted by alvinmc View Post

Not trying to be a pest, but I asked Jason to hold my shipment until it was determined whether or not users could upgrade. In that light - all disclaimers in place - what is your opinion about the likelihood that the RS-232 port will accept firmware upgrades?

Thanks...

I don't know. It probably depends on where the firmware change is located (i.e. which components are affected). I don't think anyone will know for certain until the engineers release a change.
post #217 of 8724
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Originally Posted by alvinmc View Post

Not trying to be a pest, but I asked Jason to hold my shipment until it was determined whether or not users could upgrade. In that light - all disclaimers in place - what is your opinion about the likelihood that the RS-232 port will accept firmware upgrades?

Thanks...

Alvin, Can I have yours until you decide then?!?!?!
post #218 of 8724
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Originally Posted by Dave Harper View Post

Alvin, Can I have yours until you decide then?!?!?!


Hmmm... let a professional calibrator take my unit for a few days, calibrate it for free, upgrade the firmware (if necessary), then send it to me... ???
post #219 of 8724
I will gladly do that for you Calvin I get great prices on the Sony Ruby and Pearl and have both here at my disposal. I'm trying to do a shootout between those and a Sony G90 but can't seem to find an RS1 ANYWHERE to get this done.

I'm trying to decide if I want the Pearl still at a much lower cost or if it's worth the upgrade and higher cost of the RS1.
post #220 of 8724
New owners,
Can youi please include info on the projector you are upgrading from and what differences you can perceive, and more importantly, was your wife or significant other able to see a difference?

Thanks,
Jason
post #221 of 8724
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Originally Posted by Dave Harper View Post

I will gladly do that for you Calvin I get great prices on the Sony Ruby and Pearl and have both here at my disposal. I'm trying to do a shootout between those and a Sony G90 but can't seem to find an RS1 ANYWHERE to get this done.

I'm trying to decide if I want the Pearl still at a much lower cost or if it's worth the upgrade and higher cost of the RS1.


Would you believe I just received a PM from Jason (I thought it might be from you) telling me my unit just shipped? I failed to get my "hold" request to him in time... Sorry - this might have been a good deal for both of us.

Alvin
post #222 of 8724
Where are you located? I can still do that for you. If you're close enough, maybe in your home?
post #223 of 8724
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Originally Posted by JlgLaw View Post

Finally looked at the RS-1 and Ruby together last night. At this point, I've decided to replace the Ruby bulb (currently on 2nd bulb which has 364 hrs) before comparing the PJ's again. Having just read the days posts from other owners, I'll pass on the superlatives, of which there are many, because it has all already been said in these other posts.

I will say this, it was clear to those viewing last night that the RS-1 had the better PQ. Not that the Ruby didn't hold it's own, it did. What I'm wondering at this point is how much of the difference was based on the the hours on the Ruby bulb. I'm ordering a new bulb which will arrive by Friday.

The RS-1's ability to provide depth in dark scenes while still resolving shawdows and not affecting the brighter images in the scene is incredible, and clearly beats the Ruby in this regard (no surprise considering the DI).

A quick example, at the very beginning of Batman Begins, the bats, in huge numbers, are flying around a clouded sky with sunlight peeking through the clouds in the background. On the RS-1, the contrast was excellent, there was a 3d affect to the bats, the image was sharp, and the sunlight was bright. On the Ruby, not as much 3d (but still very good), not quite as sharp (I thought, but others thought the Ruby was as sharp), and the sunlight was very subdued. Likewise, the first prison fight scene taking place outside appears to be filmed with a very heavy overcast sky with the Ruby, which affected color rendition (clothing and grass). In contrast (no pun...), the RS-1 gave the impression the fight was taking place under a cover (overhang) with sunlight striking the field in the background being very noticeable and the color of the grass was a natural green (not muted (dull) as on the Ruby). It will be interesting to see if this changes with a new bulb.

I really cannot see, nor could the others present, why anyone would be concerned with light output. I was projecting to a 127" (16:9) FH, in a room with light colored walls and ceiling (however, I do have 5' to each side wall and 4' to the ceiling) in Normal mode. There was plenty of light. In fact, I would have settled for slightly less light. I occasionally like to watch two films in one sitting and would not want it any brighter. In normal mode, the RS-1 is nearly silent.

OOTB, color was natural to the eye (fabulous colors). No convergence issues at all and blacks were as described by others (excellent).

Corner brightness? What corner brightness? Seriously, I cannot explain others concerns in this area, but it was/is a non-issue for me and the others present.

We will be taking a closer look on Friday.

Jim

Jim,

Thanks for the comparison. I'm looking forward to more. While I know my Ruby is not as good as the RS1 in several areas my bottom line is how much better is the RS1? An incremental upgrade upgrade may not be worth the trouble whereas a significant one might be.
post #224 of 8724
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Originally Posted by Dave Harper View Post

Where are you located? I can still do that for you. If you're close enough, maybe in your home?


Mobile, Alabama
post #225 of 8724
Just a tad too far from me, huh!!!
post #226 of 8724
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Originally Posted by Dave Harper View Post

Just a tad too far from me, huh!!!

Yep... thanks for the offer anyway...
post #227 of 8724
No problem....enjoy!!!
post #228 of 8724
Is this true about the 24Hz being converted to 60Hz? I got it from the Home Theater Mag website:

Quote:


Features We Like: Accepts 1080p/24 and 1080p/60 signals (displays at 60fps in either case), new imaging chips and improved light engine obtain deeper blacks and better contrast without a dynamic iris.



BTW, this is for the HD1, not the RS1. http://hometheatermag.com/frontprojectors/207jvcdlahd1/
post #229 of 8724
Can somebody post a few pictures please.....anybody out there planning to do a shootout with the pearl....will be interesting to note end user comments on the comparison....
post #230 of 8724
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Originally Posted by stlcity View Post

.....anybody out there planning to do a shootout with the pearl....will be interesting to note end user comments on the comparison....

I've been trying my best to do just that
post #231 of 8724
Thread Starter 
It better NOT display at 60, or I will not be very happy!
post #232 of 8724
My thoughts exactly!!!
post #233 of 8724
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Originally Posted by Dave Harper View Post

Is this true about the 24Hz being converted to 60Hz? I got it from the Home Theater Mag website:

BTW, this is for the HD1, not the RS1.

This has been mentioned a number of times in the RS1 Answers thread, but the HD1/RS1 frame doubles 1080p24 to 1080p48 and this is displayed internally at 96Hz. 1080i60 is deinterlaced to 1080p60 and displayed internally (with 3:2 progressive frame cadence) at 120Hz.
post #234 of 8724
Thanks Mike
post #235 of 8724
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Originally Posted by alvinmc View Post

Currently, I have a Toshiba HD-D1 (firmware upgraded) (input to IF 7210 until RS1 arrives)

That's what I'm running. I'd be extremely interested to hear your opinions of the RS1 having lived with the SP7210.
post #236 of 8724
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MikeSRC View Post

This has been mentioned a number of times in the RS1 Answers thread, but the HD1/RS1 frame doubles 1080p24 to 1080p48 and this is displayed internally at 96Hz. 1080i60 is deinterlaced to 1080p60 and displayed internally (with 3:2 progressive frame cadence) at 120Hz.

Probably worthy of mentioning this in the first post, under a FAQ or something.

Thanks Mike.
post #237 of 8724
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Originally Posted by acksnay View Post

That's what I'm running. I'd be extremely interested to hear your opinions of the RS1 having lived with the SP7210.

I'll be happy to share my thoughts, though possibly by PM - I'm intimidated by the level of expertise offered on this forum. It may be a few days after delivery before I do the installation due to an out of town work schedule.

FWIW, I sorta followed Bob Sorel's comments wherein he gave up his 7210 for a Ruby (and declared it a good trade), and has ordered the RS1.

PQ is the obvious reason for my trade-up - and I basically love the 7210 - but I'll also be interested in the fan noise, because, as you know, the 7210 is pretty loud at the high fan speed.
post #238 of 8724
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Originally Posted by kraigk View Post

Jim,

Thanks for the comparison. I'm looking forward to more. While I know my Ruby is not as good as the RS1 in several areas my bottom line is how much better is the RS1? An incremental upgrade upgrade may not be worth the trouble whereas a significant one might be.

Kraig,

When we discussed "upgrading" from a Ruby to the RS-1 last night, all were in agreement that they would only consider upgrading if they had less than $7k into the Ruby, which none had. We all know how much subjectivity enters into our individual viewing experiences. Both PJ's provide an excellent picture at these price points (and above). The issue of Ruby brightness (versus the RS-1) was really the only major difference we noted (of course that affects several aspects of the PQ).

Jim
post #239 of 8724
My RS1 has arrived! Yippee! I'm hooking it up now.
post #240 of 8724
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Originally Posted by Mark Petersen View Post

My RS1 has arrived! Yippee! I'm hooking it up now.

That's great news - can't wait to get your review...especially as the AVS RS1 Anticipation Leader.
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