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post #241 of 8732
hmmmm what could Mark possibly tell us that he hasn't already? lol

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Originally Posted by velvetpoet View Post

hmmmm what could Mark possibly tell us that he hasn't already? lol

How beautiful she looks in his hands.
post #243 of 8732
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Originally Posted by velvetpoet View Post

hmmmm what could Mark possibly tell us that he hasn't already? lol

Really nothing at all! I've completely exhausted and posted every inch of detail that I could glean on this puppy The only thing that remains is to see how it looks in my HT with my sources and screen.
post #244 of 8732
Mark, a quick word on bright corners of your unit please. 8)

Thanks everyone else who has taken time to share on their RS1s. Cant wait to get mine. 8)
post #245 of 8732
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Originally Posted by Dave Harper View Post

Is this true about the 24Hz being converted to 60Hz? I got it from the Home Theater Mag website:

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BTW, this is for the HD1, not the RS1. http://hometheatermag.com/frontprojectors/207jvcdlahd1/

HD1 = 96hz - very smooth motion with 24hz from the Lumagen with HD DVD.

Dazzer
post #246 of 8732
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Originally Posted by Mark Petersen View Post

My RS1 has arrived! Yippee! I'm hooking it up now.

Don't hold back! Give us both barrells
post #247 of 8732
OK, I will add my 2 cents to this thread. I have just spent the last 3 hours with my RS1, and comparing the image to my Sharp 20K.

First the particulars of my set up. I am projecting about 22 feet onto a Da-Lite High Power that measures 65x116. My room is light controlled, with all the crucial reflection points painted black, covered with felt, or other dark materials to minimize room reflections.

I have been running the Sharp 20K in High Contrast, High Bulb mode, and it has several hundred hours on it. It is currently putting out less than 200 lumens in that mode. Even with the High Power, I have been viewing at about 11fl. The projector is calibrated with a Progressive Labs sensor.

Now for the RS1. I spent time setting it up, and tweaking it with test patterns on disc, and within my Crystallio 2 processor. I measure the light output on low lamp, at 384 lumens, at my 22 foot projection distance. The convergence is decent, with about a half pixel red shift, perhaps a bit more at the outer edges of the image. I checked the color temperature out of the box, and it is almost dead on at the middle color setting. I adjusted the contrast down about 4 clicks to eliminate some white crush, and brightness down 1 click for best representation of the pluge pattern.

The first thing I looked at was the sharpness. This looks very good. I have no real complaint with it although it is a hair softer than my Sharp. Movies look very detailed and sharp, while also looking smooth, without the digital effect of DLP. I am still debating over which image I prefer from a sharpness standpoint.

The second thing I looked for, was the dreaded "light corners". Honestly, I really don't see it on my unit. There may be a slight lightening of the black bars when watching a scope movie, and a very bright scene, but to me this is a non issue, or I just got a good unit.

Overall black level is excellent, on par with my Sharp. Perhaps a slight bit higher than the Sharp, but at almost twice the FL, this is an acceptable trade off. Fades to black look good, and colors are very nicely saturated due to the excellent on/off CR.

There is one thing that bothers me just a bit about the image, and it is really hard to pin it down, but I believe it has something to do with the ANSI CR. I don't see a haze, like I have on previous LCOS projectors, but there is a phenomenon that seems to happen, mostly in bright scenes, especially if there is a bright background and dark foreground, where the image seems to flatten out a bit, and loose depth. Overall, it is subtle, but this is where the Sharp looks better. There is a real wow factor with the Sharp, that I am just not getting with the RS1, on some scenes, on the other hand, some darker scenes, with bright material, within a darker background, look better on the RS1.

So, overall, I think this is a keeper. I am still on the fence as to which is the better projector. I will try to summarize the pro's and cons, from my perspective.

Sharp 20K:

Pros:
Razor Sharpness
Incredible ANSI Pop and depth in bright scenes.
Very good On/Off, fades to black in high contrast mode

Cons:
Rainbows are prevalent for those who are sensitive
Low brightness in High Contrast mode
Very dark scenes have less pop due to the low brightness.

RS1:

Pros:
Very smooth filmlike image with decent sharpness
Stunning image in dark scenes with bright objects.
Decent brightness
Very good On/Of CR

Cons:
Somewhat softer image
Slight lack of Pop and depth in bright scenes, especially scenes with bright backgrounds.

That is about all I can think of right now. I look forward to spending more time with the RS1, and will let you all know which projector I prefer, in a few weeks.
post #248 of 8732
Free... nice comparison. Thank you.
post #249 of 8732
Alvin,

'I'll be happy to share my thoughts, though possibly by PM - I'm intimidated by the level of expertise offered on this forum.'

Please don't be. Your perspective will add balance to the reviews that dwell excessively on video idiosynchrosies that most people wouldn't notice.
post #250 of 8732
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Thanks for posting Phil! As you know, I have really been looking forward to your comparison since you have been living with the Sharp 20k. Nice review, and good job with listing pros and cons of each.

I especially appreciate this portion of your review, since I personally believe that this is the biggest drawback to LCoS based displays:

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There is one thing that bothers me just a bit about the image, and it is really hard to pin it down, but I believe it has something to do with the ANSI CR. I don't see a haze, like I have on previous LCOS projectors, but there is a phenomenon that seems to happen, mostly in bright scenes, especially if there is a bright background and dark foreground, where the image seems to flatten out a bit, and loose depth. Overall, it is subtle, but this is where the Sharp looks better. There is a real wow factor with the Sharp, that I am just not getting with the RS1, on some scenes, on the other hand, some darker scenes, with bright material, within a darker background, look better on the RS1.

I was hoping the RS1 would be a big improvement in this regard over other LCoS based projectors such as the Ruby and Pearl, but it definitely appears that it will still be an issue. This is also consistent with Thomas Norton's preview of the RS1 (he talks about "bright scene fading" and says the RS1 has improved on this, but it still isn't completely absent).

The Sharp is not a consideration for me because of the low lumens output. The only other alternative, for me, that would be bright enough, would cost over $20k, so I think, based on your comments, that the bright scene fading/lack of pop in bright scenes is probably a necessary trade off for me.

I am definitely looking forward to further comments from you as you spend more time comparing these two projectors.
post #251 of 8732
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Originally Posted by Mark Petersen View Post

Really nothing at all! I've completely exhausted and posted every inch of detail that I could glean on this puppy The only thing that remains is to see how it looks in my HT with my sources and screen.

I guess you don't think we'll want to hear anything more from you then.
The theoretical being much more intriguing and all.

Okay go play and then give some meat to your fans.
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Mark... we've had to put up with your crap WRT the RS-1 all this time . Now that you actually have it, we don't get to hear from you... what's up with that? I've gotten used to the pseudo ringing in my ears... I want more!

Seriously though... it would be nice to hear your comments now that you have one in your room. Please indulge us.
post #253 of 8732
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Originally Posted by Mark Petersen View Post

My RS1 has arrived! Yippee! I'm hooking it up now.

You beat me! You must have gone for next-day-air!

(I don't get mine till Friday)
post #254 of 8732
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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

I was hoping the RS1 would be a big improvement in this regard over other LCoS based projectors such as the Ruby and Pearl, but it definitely appears that it will still be an issue. This is also consistent with Thomas Norton's preview of the RS1 (he talks about "bright scene fading" and says the RS1 has improved on this, but it still isn't completely absent).

Rob, I haven't seen the Ruby or the Pearl, but I have had several earlier JVC LCOS projectors, and this is definately a significant improvement over those. This is the first LCOS projector I have seen, that I could be almost completely happy with. I really look forward to seeing what they can do with this in another years time.
post #255 of 8732
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You beat me! You must have gone for next-day-air!

(I don't get mine till Friday)

Yeah...So much for you and I being the first two on the preorder list, heh, John?

That's what we get for not springing for overnight delivery...
post #256 of 8732
Phil,
Thanks for your review. Always enjoy your perspective, so keep posting.
I hope to have my RS1 by this weekend and I'm sure it's going to be a step up from my Sim HT300.
Take care.
post #257 of 8732
Let's get ready to rumble ......

My first triple stack ...
LL
post #258 of 8732
drools.....
post #259 of 8732
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Let's get ready to rumble ......

Wow, Greg, are you doing a shootout between the Sharp, Marantz, and JVC?

Or are you just rich and eccentric?
post #260 of 8732
All our questions soon be answered.
post #261 of 8732
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Originally Posted by keithsimp View Post

I'm sure it's going to be a step up from my Sim HT300.
Take care.

Keith, please let me know if it isn't, so I can cancel my order quick!


Just kiddin'
post #262 of 8732
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Originally Posted by gregr View Post

Let's get ready to rumble ......

My first triple stack ...


Greg, what timeframe? When do we get a sneak peak of what you think on this forum? Will it be like this week?
post #263 of 8732
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Originally Posted by krholmberg View Post

Mark... we've had to put up with your crap WRT the RS-1 all this time . Now that you actually have it, we don't get to hear from you... what's up with that? I've gotten used to the pseudo ringing in my ears... I want more!

Seriously though... it would be nice to hear your comments now that you have one in your room. Please indulge us.

I'm still dialing it in and putting it through it's paces. So consider this all preliminary stuff:
  • I'm loving the performance in low APl. This was my biggest reason for upgrading from the HD2K and the RS1 doesn't dissappoint in this area. Wow! I like the production unit even better than the pre-production unit I saw at Cedia.
  • I was surprised to see that it reveals a little more detail than the HD2K does. I assume this is from the newer thinner panels. As an example I see compression artifacts in cable HD a lot more often now.
  • Convergence on this unit is great, although I had to use the pixel adjustment to get it there.
  • White field Uniformity looks good, but I haven't dug through it in detail yet.
  • I do see some corner brightness. It's only noticeable in extended all black scenes after allowing for a second or two for my eyes to adjust.
  • Yeah the fade to black is so good on this puppy that it takes the eyes a second or two to adjust before the screen can be seen. I never thought I'd see digitals come this far this fast.
  • Fans are quiet but not silent. It is a lot quieter than my old hushbox fans though even when the RS1 is in high mode.
  • Blacks in mixed APL scene are also much better than the HD2K. The opening scene of Star Wars where Darth Vader raises a soldier over his head and strangles him is a great mixed APL scene because of the white corridor and the black Darth Vader Costume. The contrast in this scene is excellent on the RS1.
  • Gotta love the space scenes in HD with Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back on the RS1. These scenes are really dark and the stars pop in their full glory.
  • Lens shift, focus and zoom controls have a really cheap feel to them but they do the job just fine. I didn't have a problem with say backlash in dialing the picture in.
  • Edge to edge sharpness is similar to my HD2K which is to say excellent. I'm going to look more closely for chromatic aberration but I can already say that I'm very happy with both the sharpness and convergence on this unit.

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Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

You beat me! You must have gone for next-day-air!

Now we really know who was #1 on the prebuy list lol. j/k of course. Yeah after waiting for almost 6 months (from Cedia) for this machine I wasn't going to let another day go by so it was worth it to me to spend a little extra and get it today.
post #264 of 8732
I wonder how many of these guys bring the RS1 to bed tonight
post #265 of 8732
Oh one thing I forgot to mention is that this thing is so new that it reeks of that freshly painted smell. I opened up the box and thought that it must have just been assembled a few weeks ago and then promptly packaged.
post #266 of 8732
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Originally Posted by Bob Sorel View Post

Wow, Greg, are you doing a shootout between the Sharp, Marantz, and JVC?

Not in a single review. But I'll have plenty to say about each here in the forum after the review is published on the WSR website. These are very different projectors, but some things are just too important to be left to memory - hence I'm taking a close look at each again.

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Or are you just rich and eccentric?

Only the latter I'm afraid.
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Originally Posted by Chris Dallas View Post

Greg, what timeframe? When do we get a sneak peak of what you think on this forum? Will it be like this week?

I think there has already been some superb comparisons made about these projectors on the forum (including Free's above). Hopefully by the time my review is printed there will still be something unique left to say. I expect my review to published near the end of next week, but by then just about everyone on the forum will already have one.
post #268 of 8732
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Originally Posted by Mark Petersen View Post

Oh one thing I forgot to mention is that this thing is so new that it reeks of that freshly painted smell. I opened up the box and thought that it must have just been assembled a few weeks ago and then promptly packaged.

Mark,
When you're done digging - can you elaborate further on the shading / uniformity??? (since you've been living w/ a phelped HD2K - you da man to report on these details! )
post #269 of 8732
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Originally Posted by gregr View Post

Let's get ready to rumble ......

My first triple stack ...

LOL!

Now we know what you were talking about when you said you had a lot more comparisons to do!
post #270 of 8732
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Originally Posted by gregr View Post

I think there has already been some superb comparisons made about these projectors on the forum (including Free's above). Hopefully by the time my review is printed there will still be something unique left to say. I expect my review to published near the end of next week, but by then just about everyone on the forum will already have one.

Uh......not everybody.
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