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HDHomerun works in Mac OS X

post #1 of 74
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The HDHomerun is a fine little device. I just got a chance to play with it tonight. I'm testing it specifically because my intent is to run a mythbackend in OS X using the HDHomerun as a video capture device. So far, so good. The HDHomerun detects my available QAM channels and streams them over the network to VLC running on my Mac. No nice and easy user interface, but it does work, FYI.
post #2 of 74
Sweeeeet. Didn't know about this device before but I'm close to cobbling together a system to do just this for analog cable with a combination of Apache, PHP, AppleScript, VLC, shell scripting, EyeTV and iRed/IRTrans. Yes, it's an incredible hack. One of the limitations has been a forced choice between QAM, ATSC or digital cable. Or I could go out and buy 3 separate devices and hope EyeTV could handle them. I'll check this beastie out - it may solve the free HD part of the equation, while the Hybrid could solve the cable box part of the equation. Thanks for the heads up.

One question: is this limited to a local network or can it be accessed from the net at large? Does it have any security capabilities?
post #3 of 74
OK, did a bit more research and found that there's not really a way to distribute the stream out via the net, at least not without reencoding it at a lower bitrate through something like VLC. The Slingbox might be a better product for net streaming, bujt for inhome use this seems pretty cool.
post #4 of 74
Yeah the HDHomeRun is pretty impressive.
I use it to stream HD to may MBP all the time especially during football season so I know when the big game is back on.

It streams HD over 802.11G perfectly (ATSC sourced), I just wish there was a more elegant UI than the cli. I wrote a few bash scripts with my favorite channels so all I have to do is write ./24 to switch to that channel. It would be nice if someone wrote a player for OSX that was easier to use.

I have also used the MCE driver which works pretty good.
post #5 of 74
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Originally Posted by bdraw View Post

I just wish there was a more elegant UI than the cli.

It's coming. (One of you may be doing it, I don't know).

Someone is working on an AppleScript Studio program to tune the device and stream to VLC. I will post a link in the Silicondust dev forum when they have it completed. See http://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2845 for the discussion.

post #6 of 74
There are requests on the SageTV forum that HDHomeRun support be added to SageTV for OSX (now in Beta). Then one would have an alternative for the recording of hi-def clear QAM and OTA in OSX.
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post #8 of 74
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Originally Posted by Joann View Post

I'm testing it specifically because my intent is to run a mythbackend in OS X using the HDHomerun as a video capture device.

Hold the presses. Don't you mean MythFrontend? I'm not aware of backend support for OS X, but I really wish there was.

Here's my ultimate dream:

1. MythTV backend server running Linux or OS X. Multiple HDHomeRun's connected to provide the content and a big fat NAS to dump the recordings to.
2. Apple TV in the bedroom to view what I've recorded. I could care less about iTunes content. I just want the slim silent package, HDMI, and nice UI of AppleTV.

As far as I know, AppleTV won't work with Linux since Linux doesn't have iTunes. If MythTV backend could run on OS X then all of my problems would be solved.
post #9 of 74
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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

It's posted at http://www.oshinetworks.com/HDHomeRun/hdhomerun.dmg

I'm the developer. See the post at http://www.silicondust.com/forum/vie...?p=17201#17201 for instructions. We have many features planned for future versions - device detection, channel scanning, saving favorite channels, etc. So this is just a start.

Andy
post #10 of 74
Will be keeping an eye on this for sure. Keep up the good work.
post #11 of 74
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Originally Posted by chrobins View Post

Hold the presses. Don't you mean MythFrontend? I'm not aware of backend support for OS X, but I really wish there was.

MythFrontend is easy, I meant MythBackend. There are people out there doing it, but it's not well documented. The development of the HDHomerun makes it worthwhile to spend the time to get MythBackend running on my Mac.
post #12 of 74
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Originally Posted by Joann View Post

MythFrontend is easy, I meant MythBackend. There are people out there doing it, but it's not well documented. The development of the HDHomerun makes it worthwhile to spend the time to get MythBackend running on my Mac.

Please keep us apprised of your progress as I would love to run mythbackend on the mac. Do you have any links to anyone who has this working? My google search doesn't turn up anything.

thanks
post #13 of 74
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Originally Posted by markjeske View Post

Please keep us apprised of your progress as I would love to run mythbackend on the mac. Do you have any links to anyone who has this working? My google search doesn't turn up anything.

thanks

The information is sparse, no doubt about it. How about this, from http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/2...ia+Center+Now:

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"Don't forget MythTV (http://www.mythtv.org). It's an open source project with distributed client/server architecture. The 'client' (more properly known as a frontend) already runs on Mac OS X (ppc & intel). The 'server' (backend) also runs on Mac OS X however there are limited options for capturing video on a Mac OS X backend - firewire connection to a HD settop box, a USB2 capture device and the HDHomeRun (http://www.silicondust.com) have all been made to work (though are perhaps a little 'beta' at the moment)."

Or this, from http://digg.com/apple/MythTV_On_Intel_Mac:

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kkuphal on 3/22/06 "The development version of MythTV has both frontend and backend components running on OS X as of a few days ago. Firewire tuner backend support was recently added and the frontend has been on OS X for some time now."

I have very little time to devote to this, but want something better than my networked Replays and Cableco's HD DVR. I've given up waiting for someone to make it easy for me, so I'm playing with it off and on as I get to it.
post #14 of 74
El Gato really should support the HD Homerun, because as a networked device, it would really enhance EyeTV.

One of the nice things about Sage, Myth or the more robust PVRs is that it supports clients. I have a computer / TV, but wouldn't mind watching TV on my laptop (or better yet, my laptop hooked up to a projector). You can't do that in EyeTV now-- there was a 3rd party hack, but it didn't work for me-- but if the EyeTV supported the HDHomeRun, then you'd be in business. Live TV would be available to any computer on the network with EyeTV, and the saved recordings could be shared easily enough as well.

The only thing missing is commercial skip, but with everything else working out, we could focus our time getting comskip to work with DarWine. After that, it'd be pretty easy to post-process those EyeTV files.

So does anybody have an in with El Gato? Do you think they'll support the HD Homerun?
post #15 of 74
HDHRControl 1.1 for Mac OS-X is available.



Source-code is also included in the download.

You can access it here:

http://yanoweb.com/HDHRControl.zip

Enjoy. Let me know if you have any problems, questions, or suggestions.

Thanks,

Andy
post #16 of 74
All this sounds interesting. I want to get HD on my main computer and stream it or ethernet it to my HT system. Is this something I should look into? Is this simply to record HD programs on your mac? Don't know much about HDHomerun and have seen the Myth program mentioned once or twice.
post #17 of 74
Andy-- that looks great, thanks! I'll be trying it tonight.

Thank you!
post #18 of 74
The most recent version is 1.4.

VLC startup is better, and you can set the UDP port.
post #19 of 74
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Originally Posted by FriarWyer View Post

The most recent version is 1.4.

VLC startup is better, and you can set the UDP port.

That looks like a great app. I tried it out, but it doesn't work in my network setup. My HDHomeRun is on a different subnet than my wireless network. So, the auto-detection doesn't work. With the command line apps, I just specify the IP address of the HDHR and it works fine.

When I tried your app, it gave a message like "No HDHomeRun devices found on network", but didn't give me an option to enter the IP address manually.
post #20 of 74
I'm glad Andy created HDHR Control, because otherwise I would be up a creek and still not have decent TV; the quality and breadth of QAM on my network is great. I'm impressed with your intention to add recording scheduling, and I hope that some of the other PVR players will follow your lead.

It seems to me that a simple Mac binary installation of Myth working with HdHomerun would make a huge splash in the Mac world.
post #21 of 74
I've just uploaded a new version of HDHRControl.

Version 1.6, now includes support for scheduled recordings, both one-shot and series recordings.

Here's a screenshot:



You can access it here:

http://yanoweb.com/HDHRControl.zip

Sourcecode is included in the download.

Enjoy. Let me know if you have any problems, questions, or suggestions.

Thanks,

Andy
post #22 of 74
Very cool! I am starting to think I need to get one of these...
post #23 of 74
Indeed it is. While I primarily use it to record QAM in Vista Media Center, I sometimes use it wirelessly over an 802.11n connection on my MacBook via VLC to watch HDTV wherever I want to plop my butt.

HDHRControl is an outstanding and simple app to use it, too. Someone should port it to Windows and Linux for those that just want a simplified front end for everything. Maybe I'll take it to task, if it's licensed under a compatible license, that is. (Which, after just looking, it's licensed under the GPL, so I think I'll get started on a Linux port if nobody else has).
post #24 of 74
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Originally Posted by dthigpen View Post

Indeed it is. While I primarily use it to record QAM in Vista Media Center, I sometimes use it wirelessly over an 802.11n connection on my MacBook via VLC to watch HDTV wherever I want to plop my butt.

11n can stream QAM? I stream ATSC with G from my HDHomeRun all the time, but QAM at 38Mbps proves too much for G. What type of distances can you achieve before the stream breaks up?

I have been considering swapping the 802.11 boards between my MacBook and my Apple TV, this might convince me it's worth it.
post #25 of 74
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Originally Posted by bdraw View Post

11n can stream QAM? I stream ATSC with G from my HDHomeRun all the time, but QAM at 38Mbps proves too much for G. What type of distances can you achieve before the stream breaks up?

I have been considering swapping the 802.11 boards between my MacBook and my Apple TV, this might convince me it's worth it.

I'm stream QAM streams to the other side of the house (3000sq) all the time, walls and all, over 802.11n.
post #26 of 74
Can the app be made to support multiple tuners?
post #27 of 74
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Originally Posted by bdraw View Post

11n can stream QAM? I stream ATSC with G from my HDHomeRun all the time, but QAM at 38Mbps proves too much for G. What type of distances can you achieve before the stream breaks up?

The HDHomeRun filters the content. It only streams the PID / Program you select, not the whole QAM channel or even the whole ATSC stream.

Using 802.11G in my MacBook Pro, I can stream HD channels pretty reliably.
post #28 of 74
What would be the lowest end Mac you can use to properly record (not playback) from this?

I would love to be able to record 2 simultaneous streams (tuner 0 &1) from QAM.

I have a few iMac G3's laying around and a 466mhz G4 that I can use just for recording.
post #29 of 74
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Originally Posted by MickeyDora View Post

What would be the lowest end Mac you can use to properly record (not playback) from this?

I would love to be able to record 2 simultaneous streams (tuner 0 &1) from QAM.

I have a few iMac G3's laying around and a 466mhz G4 that I can use just for recording.

If all you're doing is recording the raw ATSC stream to the drive, then it is likely that any G4 would do, and even a G3 with a decent drive might work. There really isn't anything to do on the recording side other than dump the data to the drive.
post #30 of 74
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Originally Posted by MickeyDora View Post

What would be the lowest end Mac you can use to properly record (not playback) from this?

I would love to be able to record 2 simultaneous streams (tuner 0 &1) from QAM.

I have a few iMac G3's laying around and a 466mhz G4 that I can use just for recording.

I used to have a G4 Cube (450MHz), which I hung a couple 3.5" drives off of via firewire. I used it as an smb file server, and recorded shows onto it from a Windows PC with a MyHD card and a Fusion3 card. The overhead of 2 to 3 20Mbps streams was barely a blip on the CPU meters.

The streaming of the files from the HDHomeRun should be similar, possibly even lower because the HDHR strips unneeded data from the stream. I would give it a try with the G3s. If they don't work, the G4 should.

(I should have hung onto that Cube.. it made a great server for holding all my iTunes content. But, when the newer iPods dropped firewire support, it became much less attractive.)
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