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post #121 of 323
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Originally Posted by fas View Post

Are there any HDD recorders coming out soon?

A Toshiba with similar features to the 640H is going to be available soon.

I was told this (via answering machine) from the authorized reseller who tried to order a 640H for me. He said there really wasn't very much information on the upcoming Toshiba unit yet, but that he should have more information in a few weeks.

That's all I know. I am not interested in a Toshiba so I shall not enquire about it.

BTW, I picked up the display model Panasonic 55 at a CC in MA a few days ago. Missing the IR blaster and instruction manual, but for $249 + tax (dickering down due to missing items) I grabbed it.

Although I shall play with it a bit, I shall ultimately offer it to one of my relatives or friends who own non-HD Panasonic units.
post #122 of 323
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Originally Posted by garyjo View Post

When I mentioned there was no announcement of a successor to the Pio640 at 2007 CES, Nathan said wait until May-June for a possible announcement.
A glimmer of hope?

Is this the same guy who told you about the "boat at sea"?

"Glimmer" may not be the right term, how about "shimmer" -- that's what ghosts do.
post #123 of 323
My source at E.W. tells me the rumor about the "boat at sea"
was probably started by Pioneer - to quiet down the dealers.

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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Is this the same guy who told you about the "boat at sea"?

"Glimmer" may not be the right term, how about "shimmer" -- that's what ghosts do.
post #124 of 323
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Originally Posted by jtbell View Post

See the first post in the Summary of ATSC Recorders thread which is floating near the top of this forum. At the moment it lists one model with HDD.

Don't hold your breath. This whole market segment (from the cheapie Lite-Ons up to the better Toshibas and Pioneers) seems to have been something of a bust. It's still kind of hard for me to believe that what demand there may be is largely satisfied by the Tivo-type boxes supplied by the Sat and Cable providers . . . but not THAT hard. Just think of all the people who could never get past the blinking 12:00 on their old VCRs, or are still befuddled by the technology in their cellphones.

Given the disappointing sales results (if you're one of the mfr. Co.s), I had some faint hope that a large quantity of these might turn up on closeout at the last minute, but that does not look to be the case. I was in Costco a few days ago, and saw Toshiba HD players being sold for $449. Probably the prior model, as that's what often happens with Costco. They have had closeouts on Pioneer receivers in the past, and I think on some earlier non-HDD DVR models. Nothing in the last year or two, though.

In fact, I have not seen anything on the retail shelves in DVRs recently other than the downsized, non-hackable Lite-Ons, a lone Toshiba RW-2, and a handful of leftover Sony 330s. (There are some LGs or Samsungs, about which I know nothing.) Nothing interesting, anyway. If you wanted one of the better Toshibas, you'd probably be out of luck. I expect we'll be seeing those -- and the Pioneers -- on Ebay, at 2.5 x full retail price.

I bought my 520 at the now defunct Good Guys, which was owned by CompUSA. Now CompUSA is similarly going out of business, starting to sell off everything down to the store fixtures. (Except for Target or WalMart, the whole brick & mortar thing may be disintegrating before our eyes.) What remains of a DVR selection at Best Buy is pretty sad. Their specialty arm, Magnolia Audio / Video is no better. Can this be the end of a brief era ?
post #125 of 323
I'll reserve judgement on this for another 8-12 months. I think what you don't see on the retail shelves has been greatly impacted by the March 1 FCC mandate for digital tuners. Manufacturers probably didn't believe the date would hold and so have not adequately prepared for what is admittedly a smaller market.
post #126 of 323
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Originally Posted by Seeker47 View Post

Don't hold your breath. This whole market segment (from the cheapie Lite-Ons up to the better Toshibas and Pioneers) seems to have been something of a bust. It's still kind of hard for me to believe that what demand there may be is largely satisfied by the Tivo-type boxes supplied by the Sat and Cable providers . . . but not THAT hard. Just think of all the people who could never get past the blinking 12:00 on their old VCRs, or are still befuddled by the technology in their cellphones. ...

I bought my 520 at the now defunct Good Guys, which was owned by CompUSA. Now CompUSA is similarly going out of business, starting to sell off everything down to the store fixtures. (Except for Target or WalMart, the whole brick & mortar thing may be disintegrating before our eyes.) What remains of a DVR selection at Best Buy is pretty sad. Their specialty arm, Magnolia Audio / Video is no better. Can this be the end of a brief era ?

That was a well thought out posting, Seeker47, most of which I have deleted above for making my reply.

One thing I think has been going against DVD recorders, at least the HDD ones (the only real ones to consider, IMHO), has been the price. I suspect the people who hang-out here either have more money to spend on non-essential 'toys' or are more willing to scrimp on other purchases (rice and beans vs. steak:>) than the average person.

Speaking for myself, I had zero, zip, nada interest in getting a DVD player when they came out or even when CC first had some for $20. Heck, the only reason I eventually bought a DVD player was because I read on some threads here that it was best not to use one's DVD recorder for playing DVDs, too.

All my 520Hs came from Good Guy's, too, via mail order since none were out here (New England). Although we do have a CompUSA near a mall I sometimes go to, I haven't been there since last spring so I gulped when I read your posting about them going out of business. If things get down to the likes of WalMart and Target, my non-food shopping is going to become even more online oriented than it is now: I **hate** shopping at huge, multi-product, crowded stores.

Better go outside and start shoveling. We already have 5" (I measured) and much, much more is on the way.
post #127 of 323
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Originally Posted by ngohit View Post

I **hate** shopping at huge, multi-product, crowded stores.

I have discovered that the ultimate time to go to a Wal-Mart is when American Idol is on TV. At least in my town, there is almost literally nobody there! YMMV of course, but that's when *I* go shopping now!

Theron
post #128 of 323
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Originally Posted by TPKeller2 View Post

I have discovered that the ultimate time to go to a Wal-Mart is when American Idol is on TV. At least in my town, there is almost literally nobody there! YMMV of course, but that's when *I* go shopping now!

Theron

Go during the NASCAR races. You get at least 4 hr shopping time then.
post #129 of 323
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Originally Posted by ngohit View Post

All my 520Hs came from Good Guy's, too, via mail order since none were out here (New England). Although we do have a CompUSA near a mall I sometimes go to, I haven't been there since last spring so I gulped when I read your posting about them going out of business. If things get down to the likes of WalMart and Target, my non-food shopping is going to become even more online oriented than it is now: I **hate** shopping at huge, multi-product, crowded stores.

You sure got that right ! Did you ever see
http://www.jibjab.com/originals/orig...ab/movieid/122
? (Hope I got the right link there -- having some temp. Flash Plugin problems right now, so it's not convenient for me to confirm). They said it far better than I ever could. Funny, but with some bitter economic truths underneath.

The CompUSA store closings could be just a regional thing, but I doubt it. This pattern looks suspiciously familiar.
post #130 of 323
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Originally Posted by Seeker47 View Post

You sure got that right ! Did you ever see
http://www.jibjab.com/originals/orig...ab/movieid/122
? (Hope I got the right link there -- having some temp. Flash Plugin problems right now, so it's not convenient for me to confirm). They said it far better than I ever could. Funny, but with some bitter economic truths underneath.

The CompUSA store closings could be just a regional thing, but I doubt it. This pattern looks suspiciously familiar.

I'm sure you got the link right, but since only dial-up is available where I live, it's too bloky for me to understand.

I telephoned the closest CompUSA to me and asked if they were closing. The manager on duty said no, but a number of others were (or had already been closed).

Then I checked to call one in SE PA I have been to in the past. It isn't even listed on CompUSA's site anymore. Taking another look at the list of stores for my zip code, I see one from Attleboro, MA is no longer listed.

Two years ago the two in RI and MA I occasionally went into were selling some TVs and DVD recorders. Their prices were list price or higher. When all the other store were selling their demos of the Panasonic 80 (forget the numbers in frount or back), the RI store was selling their demo for the regular price *without* the manual or remote. No joke. Hardly competative given BB was about 4 blocks down the road and CC, a few miles away.
post #131 of 323
I have a WalMart SuperCenter about 10 minutes away from me (central Massachusetts)... Best time here is around 8:30 to 9:30 a.m.
post #132 of 323
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Originally Posted by ngohit View Post

I'm sure you got the link right, but since only dial-up is available where I live, it's too bloky for me to understand.

I telephoned the closest CompUSA to me and asked if they were closing. The manager on duty said no, but a number of others were (or had already been closed).

Then I checked to call one in SE PA I have been to in the past. It isn't even listed on CompUSA's site anymore. Taking another look at the list of stores for my zip code, I see one from Attleboro, MA is no longer listed.

Two years ago the two in RI and MA I occasionally went into were selling some TVs and DVD recorders. Their prices were list price or higher. When all the other store were selling their demos of the Panasonic 80 (forget the numbers in frount or back), the RI store was selling their demo for the regular price *without* the manual or remote. No joke. Hardly competative given BB was about 4 blocks down the road and CC, a few miles away.

The Consumerist web page has well documented the fact that CompUSAs "clearance prices" on the stores that are closing are not likely to be good deals, and in some cases are worse than regular pricing.

Theron
post #133 of 323
For those of you wanting a Pio640, is the Pio645 of interest? They are in stock at BHPhoto for $699. Was not intended for European market - no SCART connectors.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation
post #134 of 323
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Originally Posted by garyjo View Post

For those of you wanting a Pio640, is the Pio645 of interest? They are in stock at BHPhoto for $699. Was not intended for European market - no SCART connectors.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation

Couldn't confirm it has a NTSC tuner in other link, so here's one that confirms it does (+PAL/SECAM).
post #135 of 323
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Originally Posted by garyjo View Post

For those of you wanting a Pio640, is the Pio645 of interest? They are in stock at BHPhoto for $699. Was not intended for European market - no SCART connectors.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation

Nice. It is priced like the Toshiba RD-XS55 so I doubt that it will ever win the "popularity contest" like the 640. But there are some improvements in hardware features when comparing it to the 640. Like the RD-XS55 the 645 has a 250GB HDD, DV input and HDMI. Not bad. No networking capabilities though - no ethernet port. It probably still has the simplified fuzzy user menu feature set of the 640 but it looks like a well deserved improvement over the 640 for Pioneer fans. Less "stripped down" then the 640. And an example of innovation when including something new (HDMI) instead on constantly taking features away with new model introductions. Definitely a step in the right direction for a change.

That wasn't too harsh was it? Just kidding around.
post #136 of 323
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Originally Posted by wabjxo View Post

Couldn't confirm it has a NTSC tuner in other link, so here's one that confirms it does (+PAL/SECAM).

If you click on the "Specifications" tab at the B&H page, it has this information listed at the top:

System: PAL - NTSC

I suppose this model will eventually sell out too, but slower, since it's a higher price.

Theron
post #137 of 323
When you consider a "comparable model" (Pan DMR-EH55S) is selling on eBay for $1000, a price of $699 doesn't sound so bad.

And the Pan EH55S doesn't have PAL capability.

(I would provide links to two recent eBay EH55S sales >$1000 if it were not prohibited.)



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Originally Posted by TPKeller2 View Post

I suppose this model will eventually sell out too, but slower, since it's a higher price.
post #138 of 323
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Originally Posted by TPKeller2 View Post

If you click on the "Specifications" tab at the B&H page, it has this information listed at the top:

System: PAL - NTSC

Unless it specifically says "NTSC Tuner", the fact that it's NTSC means nothing. It could simply mean that NTSC signals are accepted and transmitted through the line inputs and outputs. Same goes for PAL.
post #139 of 323
Sean, an earlier post (below) links to another site which states the Pio645 has a NTSC tuner.

.Built-in NTSC M, PAL/Secam BG, I, DK TV tuners

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Originally Posted by wabjxo View Post

Couldn't confirm it has a NTSC tuner in other link, so here's one that confirms it does (+PAL/SECAM).


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Originally Posted by Sean Nelson View Post

Unless it specifically says "NTSC Tuner", the fact that it's NTSC means nothing. It could simply mean that NTSC signals are accepted and transmitted through the line inputs and outputs. Same goes for PAL.
post #140 of 323
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Originally Posted by garyjo View Post

Sean, an earlier post (below) links to another site which states the Pio645 has a NTSC tuner.

.Built-in NTSC M, PAL/Secam BG, I, DK TV tuners

It also states you need these:

WSS1905 and WSS1906 connectors required for connection in the USA. They can be ordered from our site here.

http://www.world-import.com/cables.htm

I'd be curious what the PQ is like after the adapters are applied.

When you look at the inputs in the specs there is no "RF coax" input listed. Or output. So no real tuner as we know one. And with no IR blaster it means no timer recordings if using an STB? Not sure.
post #141 of 323
Here's a much better link for info on the 645:

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/4...H-S/index.html

It looks like it offers soup to nuts. EPG, G-Link (IR blaster), HDMI, etc. Too bad Pioneer decided not to make a purely North American version. I have no idea how the 645 would perform here in the U.S.

Also here is the manual:

http://www.service.pioneer-eur.com/p...lnr=DVR-645H-S

You have to do the "right click" "save as" routine to downloaded it.

Very interesting unit. Again too bad there was not a North American version. Very similiar in hardware features to the Toshiba RD-XS54 and XS55 (sans networking).
post #142 of 323
I wonder if the BHPhoto Pio645 is a different version from the one listed in the European link below?

BHPhoto describes the model with no SCART connectors and 3 composite/SVHS inputs.

The BHPhoto salesman was of no help in resolving the discrepency. He said his only source of info was from the description posted on their site.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation



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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

Here's a much better link for info on the 645:

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/4...H-S/index.html

It looks like it offers soup to nuts. EPG, G-Link (IR blaster), HDMI, etc. Too bad Pioneer decided not to make a purely North American version. I have no idea how the 645 would perform here in the U.S.

Also here is the manual:

http://www.service.pioneer-eur.com/p...lnr=DVR-645H-S

You have to do the "right click" "save as" routine to downloaded it.

Very interesting unit. Again too bad there was not a North American version. Very similiar in hardware features to the Toshiba RD-XS54 and XS55 (sans networking).
post #143 of 323
Good question. I was thinking the same when I went through the manual. No idea. It would be nice to know what the "International" version includes if they are different.
post #144 of 323
The one on the European link has SCART inputs and outputs, so I don't think it is exactly the same unit. Also it lists power input as 220-240V/50-60Hz.

I think it is a specially modified recorder for the NA market.
post #145 of 323
Okay I just talked to Tim at Audio Advisor and they said they have 50 left. They are going for $399 plus there are some demo models going for $339. I forgot to ask but according to their website, they are authorized dealers for all their products. By the way I have bought from them in the past and have always got a the products I ordered. I am not connected with them in any way, just a satisfied customer. I sure wish I could get one but I've got too much electronics as it is and I know my wife would kill me if I got another piece. I'll just have to live with my Panasonic DMR-ES20.

Well go get 'em boys!

Pioneer 640 NIB

Pioneer 640 Demo

BBB Info
post #146 of 323
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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

Here's a much better link for info on the 645:

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/4...H-S/index.html

It looks like it offers soup to nuts. EPG, G-Link (IR blaster), HDMI, etc. Too bad Pioneer decided not to make a purely North American version. I have no idea how the 645 would perform here in the U.S.

Also here is the manual:

http://www.service.pioneer-eur.com/p...lnr=DVR-645H-S

You have to do the "right click" "save as" routine to downloaded it.

Very interesting unit. Again too bad there was not a North American version. Very similiar in hardware features to the Toshiba RD-XS54 and XS55 (sans networking).

That Pioneer European site is a good resource, in that it seems to have manuals for both their models and our models, and it does not require you to register before being able to d/l from it. I found no clear counterpart to the *745* model available from the two online U.S. dealers as referenced in this thread, but I was interested (at least academically) to discover the top model they are apparently still selling for the foreign market, which offers a *digital tuner*, among other amenities.

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/4.../overview.html

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/4...X-S/index.html
post #147 of 323
Site states Pio645 only upscales to 1080i.
In contrast, EH55 upscales to 720p.

As 720p is 720 horizontal lines of detail, and 1080i is only 525 lines at any given time, I wonder why the Pio645 did not introduce a more powerful upscaler?


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Originally Posted by Seeker47 View Post

That Pioneer European site is a good resource, in that it seems to have manuals for both their models and our models, and it does not require you to register before being able to d/l from it. I found no clear counterpart to the *745* model available from the two online U.S. dealers as referenced in this thread, but I was interested (at least academically) to discover the top model they are apparently still selling for the foreign market, which offers a *digital tuner*, among other amenities.

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/4.../overview.html

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/4...X-S/index.html
post #148 of 323
The Pioneer 640 for 400$? I have seen cheaper ones out there.
Can anyone compare some of the specs in between the Pio 640 hs and the Toshiba XS 35 for the ignorant ones like me pls? I'm trying to buy one but can't decide. Plus i was looking at the toshiba website and the XS 35 is not listed in there at all. They have the XS 34, 52, 55 but not 35. How so?
post #149 of 323
Is it wrong that I just bought a spare XS35, sitting in a box, yet I am tempted to grab a Pioneer 640 just to have? (keep in mind, I already have more than enough functional DVR units.. ) Great find, JeromeS, although are they an authorized dealer?
post #150 of 323
how much did u pay for the XS 35 Jmscott? I see some for 320 $ right now.
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