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post #151 of 323
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Originally Posted by gurax View Post

The Pioneer 640 for 400$? I have seen cheaper ones out there.

Where? The last day or so? Please share the name(s).

That $400 includes s/h from an authorized reseller.
post #152 of 323
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Originally Posted by gurax View Post

The Pioneer 640 for 400$? I have seen cheaper ones out there.

There are lots of places that used to have them for under $400!

Theron
post #153 of 323
There was a new one on eBay this morning for $315 before shipping. An unauthorized but reputable dealer, I believe (AuctionitNJ.com). It's gone now. You might want to check eBay from time to time.
post #154 of 323
For my XS35, I found one at Best Buy for $349, and I had a 12% coupon, so about $307 (+tax). Plus I got 12 month financing (which amazed me and sealed the deal).. so $25ish a month isn't bad for the peace of mind of a spare machine. $320 isn't a bad price. Part of me keeps thinking that someday soon there will be some magical clearance of NTSC models (of all brands) but I don't think this type of machine was popular enough for stores to overstock and cause a clearance. If anything, sales must be slightly spiking as prices are staying very level (or creeping up).
post #155 of 323
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Originally Posted by JeromeS View Post

Okay I just talked to Tim at Audio Advisor and they said they have 50 left. They are going for $399 plus there are some demo models going for $339. I forgot to ask but according to their website, they are authorized dealers for all their products. By the way I have bought from them in the past and have always got a the products I ordered. I am not connected with them in any way, just a satisfied customer. I sure wish I could get one but I've got too much electronics as it is and I know my wife would kill me if I got another piece. I'll just have to live with my Panasonic DMR-ES20.

Well go get 'em boys!

Saw that in their catalogue also, if I only had my tax refund by now.
post #156 of 323
I am beginning to think the Sylvania HDRV200F from Wal-Mart ($298) is a viable replacement. I just got one yesterday.
post #157 of 323
is any of these products made in japan for real?
post #158 of 323
I think the Panasonic HDD/DVD/VHS combo unit is, but I haven't seen one in person to confirm... but that's probably it.
post #159 of 323
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Originally Posted by garyjo View Post

Site states Pio645 only upscales to 1080i.
In contrast, EH55 upscales to 720p.

I don't want t to offend any Panasonic fans here, but their DVRs are not terribly well regarded, if you read up on them. From what I've read, the better Toshiba models are the top contenders, apart from the Pioneers.

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Originally Posted by gurax View Post

how much did u pay for the XS 35 Jmscott? I see some for 320 $ right now.

Where ? I thought this model was long gone by now.
post #160 of 323
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Originally Posted by Seeker47 View Post

I don't want t to offend any Panasonic fans here, but their DVRs are not terribly well regarded, if you read up on them. From what I've read, the better Toshiba models are the top contenders, apart from the Pioneers.

Not well regarded by lord-smurf, maybe. But there are many users here, myself included, who have been very happy with the performance and quality of their Panasonic units for years.
post #161 of 323
I was very happy with my Panasonic DMR-E80H when it died, this Pioneer was my next choice, but Bestbuy doesn't have it, Home Theather said they would be getting it soon(LOL), my next choice is the Toshiba RD-XS35, of course they don't have it either
post #162 of 323
First i don't understand why would u guys buy two or even three of them when u can just buy an extended warranty plan for 50-70$ and u r covered for years.

Second i just ordered my xs35 for 320$

Third i'll share some of my research results with u guys now that i'm done.

Pioneer fans don't push each other : cheapest deal found so far by me Pio 640 for 310$ + 30 shipping i believe
post #163 of 323
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Originally Posted by gurax View Post

First i don't understand why would u guys buy two or even three of them when u can just buy an extended warranty plan for 50-70$ and u r covered for years.

Second i just ordered my xs35 for 320$

Third i'll share some of my research results with u guys now that i'm done.

Pioneer fans don't push each other : cheapest deal found so far by me Pio 640 for 310$ + 30 shipping i believe

Read the details on the extended warranty plans offered by online and regular store resellers: These warranties do _not_ guarantee that the machine sent in for repairs to the _store's_ warranty service place will be returned repaired. It can be kept and an 'equivalent' model or cash given to the customer at the discretion of the repair place. These extended warranties do _not_ give a person the right to send a 640H requiring repairs to Pioneer's repair facilities.

I'd rather spend more and have an extra unit. One needs repairs after Pioneer's warranty has expired (doubled by my credit card)? Keep it for spare parts in case the working unit(s) need something from it. Those store warranties take away the machine and do not give the customer the option of getting it back (for spare parts) if the service deport says it cannot be fixed [100% due to their determination of the repair's cost vs. giving money back vs. some other model to replace it].

Where did you get your 640H?
post #164 of 323
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Originally Posted by ngohit View Post

Read the details on the extended warranty plans offered by online and regular store resellers: These warranties do _not_ guarantee that the machine sent in for repairs to the _store's_ warranty service place will be returned repaired. It can be kept and an 'equivalent' model or cash given to the customer at the discretion of the repair place. These extended warranties do _not_ give a person the right to send a 640H requiring repairs to Pioneer's repair facilities.

I'd rather spend more and have an extra unit. One needs repairs after Pioneer's warranty has expired (doubled by my credit card)? Keep it for spare parts in case the working unit(s) need something from it. Those store warranties take away the machine and do not give the customer the option of getting it back (for spare parts) if the service deport says it cannot be fixed [100% due to their determination of the repair's cost vs. giving money back vs. some other model to replace it].

Where did you get your 640H?

If you don't mind my asking, who is going to put in these spare parts should it need repair, if you don't want to take it in for service? I don't understand.
post #165 of 323
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Originally Posted by MissIrisMG View Post

If you don't mind my asking, who is going to put in these spare parts should it need repair, if you don't want to take it in for service? I don't understand.

Okay, let's say one has a 2 year Pioneer service center repair via the credit card doubling warranty. During this period Pioneer will fix it. After this time, should it go kaput, it can be saved for parts for one's existing machine (or two), when repairs, outside the warranty period, are required.

Depending on where one lives, there are excellent electronics repair facilities. I checked with one where I have taken ancient, but wonderful, stereo equipment in for repairs in the past and asked about repairing my 520H down the line the way I described above. It was a definite yes. They will also get something needed, if it is broken in the 'spare parts' one, if I approve (tell me the part price first).
post #166 of 323
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Originally Posted by gurax View Post

Pioneer fans don't push each other : cheapest deal found so far by me Pio 640 for 310$ + 30 shipping i believe

I'm not drawing any conclusions about this company, but here are a few red flags I just picked up on, during a casual visit:
  • The Order Tracking page is non existent.
  • The security certificate warning page pops up when I go to the Checkout page.
  • Under the Policies, they state "USA Warranty may be additional", which is a sure sign that they sell Gray Market merchandise, not inherently bad, as long as you know that is what you are getting.
  • Another policy: "Some Kits do not necessarily contain Lenses from the manufacturer of the camera". Again, not necessarily horrible, as long as you know what you are getting, but the fact that it's buried in the Policy page doesn't give me warm fuzzies.... and it raises the question, just who is assembling this "kit" then?
Just thoughts...

Theron

Update: Did some more searching. Wow.
post #167 of 323
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Originally Posted by ngohit View Post

Okay, let's say one has a 2 year Pioneer service center repair via the credit card doubling warranty. During this period Pioneer will fix it.

Is there anyone here that actually has experience with this? I also have the credit card "warranty doubling" feature, but (fortunately) haven't had the need to use it.

The warranty doubling provisions of the credit card are underwritten by an insurance company, just like extended warranties are. I see no reason why the insurance company wouldn't choose to have the unit repaired at it's lowest cost, just like the extended warranty would. I think the real benefit of the credit card warranty is that duplicates the terms of the manufacter's warranty, not who will do the actual repair.

I'd be very glad to hear from someone who's actually used the credit card warranty to find out what their experience was.
post #168 of 323
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Originally Posted by gurax View Post

First i don't understand why would u guys buy two or even three of them when u can just buy an extended warranty plan for 50-70$ and u r covered for years.

Well, for one thing, I would be a little put out if my DVD recorder were gone for six to eight weeks while being repaired.
post #169 of 323
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Originally Posted by Sean Nelson View Post

Is there anyone here that actually has experience with this? I also have the credit card "warranty doubling" feature, but (fortunately) haven't had the need to use it.

The warranty doubling provisions of the credit card are underwritten by an insurance company, just like extended warranties are. I see no reason why the insurance company wouldn't choose to have the unit repaired at it's lowest cost, just like the extended warranty would. I think the real benefit of the credit card warranty is that duplicates the terms of the manufacter's warranty, not who will do the actual repair.

I'd be very glad to hear from someone who's actually used the credit card warranty to find out what their experience was.

I have, Sean, twice. Once, for a computer and the second time, for a high end shortwave radio.

Whatever the original warranty from the company states one is entitled to during the original warranty period is what one get's via the credit card extension.

One can register the item with the credit card company _before_ a problem occurs. Then, should something happen during the extension period there is no delay--the item is already registered so authorization for repair is immediate.
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post #171 of 323
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Originally Posted by TPKeller2 View Post

[*]Another policy: "Some Kits do not necessarily contain Lenses from the manufacturer of the camera". Again, not necessarily horrible, as long as you know what you are getting, but the fact that it's buried in the Policy page doesn't give me warm fuzzies.... and it raises the question, just who is assembling this "kit" then?[/list]Just thoughts...

Theron
Update: Did some more searching. Wow.

They remind me of the kind of online scammers that strip your camcorder of all manufacturer-supplied accessories (carrying bag, battery, blank tape, software etc.) and try to sell them back to you as "optional accessories".
post #172 of 323
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Originally Posted by ngohit View Post

I'd rather spend more and have an extra unit. One needs repairs after Pioneer's warranty has expired (doubled by my credit card)? Keep it for spare parts in case the working unit(s) need something from it.

That "spare unit to cannibalize for parts later" can in some cases be a viable strategy. With these units, I think there are probably 3 items that are the ones most likely to fail: the HDD, the burner, a key capacitor. Any of these can apparently be replaced by the user, albeit as a non-trivial DIY project. The instructions for doing it exist online. In that case, you'd just need appropriate replacement parts. These all seem to be available, without the need for a whole, additional DVR to get them from. I believe the burner must be the same model as came with the DVR. Availability may be starting to become a problem for the older ones. I see refurb burners of the right type for older Pioneer DVR models being sold on Ebay now for $130., and that's ridiculous.
post #173 of 323
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Originally Posted by ngohit View Post

Okay, let's say one has a 2 year Pioneer service center repair via the credit card doubling warranty. During this period Pioneer will fix it. After this time, should it go kaput, it can be saved for parts for one's existing machine (or two), when repairs, outside the warranty period, are required.

Question: Even if you have an extended warranty, doesn't the manufacturer have the option to not fix your specific model but replace it with a newer current model of similar capability? Didn't Pioneer do that by replacing a bunch of 5XX series recorders with the 640?
post #174 of 323
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Question: Even if you have an extended warranty, doesn't the manufacturer have the option to not fix your specific model but replace it with a newer current model of similar capability? Didn't Pioneer do that by replacing a bunch of 5XX series recorders with the 640?

I do not know anyone who sent in a 5XX for repairs and was sent back a 640H in return. Everyone I personally know who got a 640H via the 5XX swap route were given the option, by Pioneer, of returning the (aggravating) 5XX in exchange for a 640H. This option was given before our machines were sent to Pioneer, not after we sent them back for repairs.

There are/were people who loved their 5XX and 633 models, who were not plagued by the flawed TVGOS which, a Pioneer tech person told me, had a great deal to do with the PBS station from which they got the TVGuide.

This situation is really different than a machine that is working fine then needs repairs during an extended warranty period. There was no 'fix' for the 2005 models.

The key here is that had the 5XX needed repairs (not due to the faulty TVGOS) Pioneer would offer someone another Pioneer if the machine could not be fixed (because parts were not available or something), not a different model of a different brand deemed, by the service center (unaffiliated, not brand specific) what _they_ considered an equivalent model--which I might not and would hate. Buy a Pioneer, send to one of their service centers, get a Pioneer in return. Send a Pioneer to the service center for one of those extended warranty places, and cross your fingers the Pioneer comes back rather than an 'equivalent,' but non-Pioneer HDD-DVD recorder.

If I send in a Pioneer, I do not want to get a Panasonic, Toshiba, or JVC in return. I want another Pioneer, same model or later. Who knows, maybe they determine what is 'equivalent' merely by the HDD size.
post #175 of 323
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Originally Posted by JeromeS View Post

Okay I just talked to Tim at Audio Advisor and they said they have 50 left.

Thanks to the OP for the scoop on this deal. I put an order in and got confirmation, but no shipping notice yet. Did anyone have any luck with this one? Post please.
post #176 of 323
I ordered one today over the phone...and it's due to ship out tomorrow.
Those thinking of ordering one should be aware that the digital out on this machine
is a co-ax not optical.I barely caught that in one of the many reviews I read on the unit.
I had to hustle to find a 3 meter cable....must be prepared to set up once it arrives.
post #177 of 323
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Originally Posted by ngohit View Post

Whatever the original warranty from the company states one is entitled to during the original warranty period is what one get's via the credit card extension.

Well, yes, I did say that the CC warranty matches the terms of the original warranty. The question was whether the original equipment manufacturer will honour the CC warranty, or whether you have to send it to somebody else to have it repaired.

Where did you have to send your units for repair?
post #178 of 323
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Originally Posted by Sean Nelson View Post

Well, yes, I did say that the CC warranty matches the terms of the original warranty. The question was whether the original equipment manufacturer will honour the CC warranty, or whether you have to send it to somebody else to have it repaired.

Where did you have to send your units for repair?

Yes, the equipment manufacturer has to honor the extended warranty. They get paid (by the credit card's bank) so it's not like there's any money out of their pocket. Both times my units were sent to the manufacturer's service centers, the same places they would have gone had I required servicing during the original warranty period. S/H was covered during the original warranties of both items so I didn't have to pay a penny during the extended period either for this.
post #179 of 323
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Originally Posted by ngohit View Post

Both times my units were sent to the manufacturer's service centers, the same places they would have gone had I required servicing during the original warranty period. S/H was covered during the original warranties of both items so I didn't have to pay a penny during the extended period either for this.

Thanks, that's great info to hear. I was concerned that the CC's insurer might cut costs by directing you to send the unit for repair at some place that was cheaper than the factory service centre. But if they deal with the manufacturers themselves then it really does make the CC warranty preferable to a third-party warranty.
post #180 of 323
[quote=JeromeS]Okay I just talked to Tim at Audio Advisor and they said they have 50 left. They are going for $399 plus there are some demo models going for $339. I forgot to ask but according to their website, they are authorized dealers for all their products. By the way I have bought from them in the past and have always got a the products I ordered. I am not connected with them in any way, just a satisfied customer. I sure wish I could get one but I've got too much electronics as it is and I know my wife would kill me if I got another piece. I'll just have to live with my Panasonic DMR-ES20.

Well go get 'em boys!


Thank you for your tip. I ordered one the next day and it arrived last night. Now I get to send it in for firmware update.
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