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post #61 of 5030
Oh, and perhaps another trivial point of interest for those considering the set. Using the wall mount from monoprice still provides excellent access to the various inputs on the side.
post #62 of 5030
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Originally Posted by dad1153 View Post

The 742i model was always scheduled to come a few months after the 747i when they were announced for late last year. Since the 47" sets are just making it now to online stores (and soon into retail establishments) the 42" sets should be out in a couple of months. Sorry!

Thanks for the info. I was about to pull the trigger on a 542i since the price has dropped so low, but I think now I'm gonna have to wait for the 742i at least. :-)
post #63 of 5030
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Originally Posted by S!TH!NAT0R View Post

Ok, I just got a rare lemon. He also stated that they use a few different high-end panels for the 7-series.....LG,Samsung, & dunno who else.I've heard Samsung are supposed to produce really good panels so maybe this is just a lemon LG panel??
~S!TH


actaully the samsung panels and sony panels are known for this mura issue. change are that is your lcd's issue.
post #64 of 5030
Thread Starter 
dad1153, The LED blue light can be disabled though I have to say it's not as eye-piercing illumination as the LT42HVI I had. Also, to mount the speakers on the side you would need to buy a side mount kit seperately from Syntax.Also, as I've mentioned previously(page2) I hooked up my sony upconvert dvd player thru component/480i and the 747i did a beautiful job of upscaling it though I prefer the digital hdmi connection.


Guys, the egg-shaped clouding seems to have disipated quite a bit since I initially posted about it.It isnt really noticable now unless viewing standing up considerably off axis so that's definitely a good thing.However, I'm still exchanging it thru Syntax in due time because the all-4 corners backlight bleed is still there.Distracting when viewing dark scenes.


All in all, the 747i is a great set and I'm happy you love it RunOff as I'm sure you will to dad1153.The rest of you guys buying it should not be disappointed either.


Dammitt, now I just gotta get a hold of a good digicam from someone so I can post/compare pics/setups with ya RunOff!
post #65 of 5030
Thread Starter 
Btw, nice pics RunOff.I may be able to borrow a digicam from work so I may post some shots when I get off work.
post #66 of 5030
I look forward to seeing your shots.

Have you yet settled on any tweaks that help boost contrast and shadow detail? I beginning to review material that I'm more familiar with, rather than just what the Antenna throws me, and I'm definitely going to want to make some adjustments. Color is spot on, but i want to increase shadow detail if possible.
post #67 of 5030
It's official, I order from buy.com and it shipped Yesterday, it will be here on Monday, and so far I'm really happy with the findings of the two owners (great job guys). Can't wait for Monday
post #68 of 5030
Hey guys look what I found,

http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/Xbox360_HD_DVD.htm

Dick De Jong
December 4, 2006
HDTV Solutions

Xbox 360 HD DVD Back


Setup
I need to reiterate that this HD DVD player is not a standalone unit like the Toshiba HD-A1. From what I can tell, basically all the Microsoft player does is spin the disc and send the data to the Xbox 360 for video processing.

So the basic initial setup was to attach the player to the console with the USB cable and connect the Xbox 360 with Component HD AV cable to the Olevia 747i 47" 1080p LCD that we're reviewing. We used Peter Jackson's King Kong HD DVD, (included in the box with the player), to test if this player was a beast or a bust.

With one of the recent Xbox 360 updates, you can now go to the System menu and select 1080p as the output resolution. When we played the game, Gears of War (notable for its high def 3D artistry) in the Xbox 360 console's DVD player - not the separate HD DVD player - the Olevia indicated that indeed the source was 1080p 60 Hz.

But, without changing any settings, if we switched to playing the King Kong HD DVD, the TV screen would flash momentarily and then begin showing the movie. Now, when we queried the Olevia, it indicated that the source was 1080i 30 Hz.

Go figure. And that is exactly what I did, with four calls and three emails to Xbox customer service and an expedition onto the forums. I'll spare you the details about my harrowing exploits that I have dubbed, "In Search of 1080p, My Safari on Numbskull Island.")

To cut to the chase, I discovered that the key to pumping 1080p through the Xbox 360 system was using their VGA HD AV cable, (sold separately wherever Xboxes are found). So I dutifully went out and purchased the VGA cable and replaced the Component cable. (Here's a cost saving tip. Thankfully, non-Microsoft cables are available for about half the $39.95 price for the Microsoft branded one.)


VGA HD AV Cable


Remember, there is no reason to run these 1080p hurdles unless you have a 1080p TV and beyond that, your TV must have a VGA connector. Even though our Olevia meets those specifications, initially, it would not play back the 1080p Xbox signal with any acceptable quality.

After a lot of gnashing of teeth and accepting that it just wouldn't work, I began writing this review; and then, lo and behold, Microsoft updates the Xbox system. And the VGA signal plays back on the Olevia like a champ. I must warn you however; I will not vouch that this VGA solution will work on every 1080p TV. In fact, the 1080p JVC LT-40FN97 review unit here still refuses to play back the VGA signal, though it performs vibrantly with the 1080i source through the Component cable.
post #69 of 5030
Damn it, FedEx brought my 747i a day early to my apartment when I wasn't there to receive it. Curse you efficient and prompt FedEx shipping! So my new 747i is spending the night in some FedEx truck/warehouse freezing its delicate circuits off on what forecasters predict will be one of the coldest nights of the season. That can't be good at all.
post #70 of 5030
Thread Starter 
dad1183, why can't you just go pick it up from a fedex location near you? A day early, dammitt go pick that badboy up if you can.
I just got home from work/grocery shopping so I'm getting ready to take some snaps.I was able to borrow the digicam from work we use for pcb in-process shots(I'm a pcb smt machines programmer/tech engineer) of new prototype builds.It is a $1200 cam so the shots should be good.Be back ina bit.
post #71 of 5030
does ps3 see this as 1080p without gimmicks
?
post #72 of 5030
Yes, confirmed to accept 1080p at 60 and 30Hz. It doesn't accept 1080p/24 though (the purest form of 1080p since it matches the native rate at which the discs were coded), which very few TV's on the market can accept (Pio and Fujitsu plasmas) and is a mute point since the deinterlacer of the 747i is boss. The PS3 currently doesn't output 1080p/24 (1080p/60 and 1080p/30) but will in the future via an update. What the 747i DOESN'T have is HDMI 1.3, which the PS3 can pass but needs a TV with HDMI 1.3 to work with future color upgrades and internal decoding of audio formats. Only the upcoming Samsung 65F models have HDMI 1.3 and 1080p/60 (no 1080p/24 though), so consider that before plunking the cash for a 747i.
post #73 of 5030
Thread Starter 
Arrgg, this damn digicam pics keep comin' out blurry,wtf.
post #74 of 5030
S!TH,

Do you have a tripod? If not, try placing the camera on something flat and steady so that it remains still during the shot. I too found it difficult to get decent shots from a shiny black TV in a dark room. You need a fast lens under those conditions to get enough light to the sensor. Alternately you can play with ISO settings on the camera. The higher the ISO the less light you need to get the shot, though it will introduce noise into the image. See if there is an Aperature Priority Mode on your camera, the larger the Aperature (smaller numbers) the more light the camera will take in and, ideally, the faster the shutter speed. Most prosumer cameras (at $1200 I'm assuming that's what we're dealing with) come with a kit lens that has an aperature of 2.8 wide open...at best. Be careful if you're using a telephoto lens to zoom in, because your aperature will most likely decrease as you zoom in, requiring MORE light. If you're unsure of the capabilities of the lens, make sure that it is as wide as possible since that will probably give you the best light gathering capability, and use your feet to find the spot where you want to frame your shot, make sure the camera is as steady as possible, and for starters try shooting some material that is throwing out plenty of light from the set. I shot some HDTV last night that came out pretty blurry because it was some police procedural with moody dark lighting. The best shots I could get were from LOST, whose opening scenes were bright outdoors shots. Oh, and remember, if all else fails, slowly increase the ISO setting on the camera and see how great a trade-off there is in sharpness vs. noise.

Stop me if you've heard this one before.

Good luck.
post #75 of 5030
Thread Starter 
Yeah, I've messed with almost everything you've mentioned and struggled for 2-1/2 hours now tryin' to get decent enough shots.I'm not too digicam literate and this damn thing is too too complex for one as overtired as me too.Go figure,I can build/troubleshoot/design pc's and pcbs but can't work a digicam....hah.I never liked'em anyway.
post #76 of 5030
Stick it on auto, night setting, try turning the flash off, and shoot away with a tripod or have it resting on a table or something.
post #77 of 5030
dad thanks a lot for that info. I will consider more now.
post #78 of 5030
what are the pro and cons of the sony av2500 over the 747; besides brand prestige.
post #79 of 5030
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Originally Posted by amcdoc View Post

what are the pro and cons of the sony av2500 over the 747; besides brand prestige.

The main difference is that one is a remote control and the other is a TV
post #80 of 5030
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Originally Posted by amcdoc View Post

what are the pro and cons of the sony av2500 over the 747; besides brand prestige.

The Sony V2500 1080p TV's may (if you get a bad one) have clouds. It also caps the resolution of its VGA input to some random resolution below 1920x1080, so no chance to hook your XBox 360 HD-DVD add-on by VGA cable to get 1080p. The V2500 also lacks the Realta HQV processor and Picture-in-Picture bells & whistles to improve the quality of SD pictures, but other than that both are fine HDTV's that accept 1080p. It's just that the 747i is better at rendering pictures from SD sources other than the PS3 at high resolutions, and that its not as widely available as the V2500.
post #81 of 5030
Dad you got that bad boy delivered yet?
post #82 of 5030
Here's some more photos of some material requested by dad1153.

S!TH, have you continued to note a dissipation of your "eggs"? youknowyuran called it a mura issue I believe, and said that samsung panels were sometimes noted for it. I wonder if that means we got samsung panels? I was surprised when you reported that Olevia were putting panels other than LG in the 747i. Is that absolutely true fact?

Anyway, for those of you with the 747i on the way, here's what we're looking for. We should track this issue and see if it is widespread or if some folks are getting panels without the bleed.

youknowuran, can you or anyone else tell us more about this mura issue?

Keep in mind also, that, while the "eggs" are visible during some of these dark scenes, I'm using a really fast lens to get these shots and in some cases it may look worse than it is. My right side "egg" has dissipated somewhat, but my left is still fairly prominent and I do notice it during dark scenes.

The ultimate challenge...HELLTRACK!! (let's keep a sense of humor here):


The opening of SW Ep3:


Starfield from SW Ep3:


Obi to the right, "egg" to the left?


Sin City:



post #83 of 5030
And a few more for good measure.

more Sin City. The amount of detail the Realta HQV pulls from this SD DVD must be seen to be believed. Breathtaking:


Aliens:







Hurm...now that I look at these on the site, I wonder if the JPEG compression removed some of the detail of the "eggs" in some of these shots. I might need to revisit the compression on a few.

Anyway, enjoy.

EDIT: Ahhh poop. Yeah, the JPEG compression "fixed" the problem in a couple of shots. I don't have the time to revisit the photos right now, but I'll try again later.

EDIT2: The shots have been replaced now. They should be much clearer.
post #84 of 5030
The three SW Ep3 shots have been replaced. Should have better detail.
post #85 of 5030
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Originally Posted by dad1153 View Post

Yes, confirmed to accept 1080p at 60 and 30Hz. It doesn't accept 1080p/24 though (the purest form of 1080p since it matches the native rate at which the discs were coded), which very few TV's on the market can accept (Pio and Fujitsu plasmas) and is a mute point since the deinterlacer of the 747i is boss. The PS3 currently doesn't output 1080p/24 (1080p/60 and 1080p/30) but will in the future via an update. What the 747i DOESN'T have is HDMI 1.3, which the PS3 can pass but needs a TV with HDMI 1.3 to work with future color upgrades and internal decoding of audio formats. Only the upcoming Samsung 65F models have HDMI 1.3 and 1080p/60 (no 1080p/24 though), so consider that before plunking the cash for a 747i.

Although I don't have a PS3 nor plan to buy one - PC & Wii are enough - and better quality SD sources would be great but HDMI v1.3 sounds too good to pass...

Would you rather wait for the new Sammies if you'd be out for a new TV?

Speaking of SD quality: does anybody know a place I can take look at a 742i (or 747i) somewhere in NYC?
post #86 of 5030
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Originally Posted by Techaholic View Post

Dad you got that bad boy delivered yet?

Got it this afternoon around 12:30PM. But as soon as I got the TV into the apartment my boss called and begged me to go back to work(even though I asked for the day off) and cover for the losers at the office that couldn't do my workload. So the TV is sitting pretty in my apartment gathering dust. When I get back home I might unpack it, or leave it for tomorrow/the weekend to get acquainted with it. I also have to see if I can borrow a camera to take pics which should be trouble since I can't get a good picture to save my life. I will most likely disappear from this thread until sometime Monday when I'll post a full report of my weekend adventures. Later dudes!
post #87 of 5030
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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

Although I don't have a PS3 nor plan to buy one - PC & Wii are enough - and better quality SD sources would be great but HDMI v1.3 sounds too good to pass...

Would you rather wait for the new Sammies if you'd be out for a new TV?

Honestly yes, an HDMI 1.3 HDTV is worth waiting for if you plan on getting a player (like the PS3) that also supports 1.3. No content for this configuration exists yet, but its something that future PS3 games, BD and HD-DVD movies (there are players for both formats that support HDMI 1.3 already or in the near future) can turn a switch on and future movies could support the resolution/improved color if the TV is also 1.3. I gave up on HDMI 1.3 when I realized that TV's with it would be expensive and delay my HDTV purchase by several months (when the new/expensive HDMI 1.3 TV's would lower). Since I'm coming from a lifetime of SD viewing I figured making the transition to "standard" 1920x1080 will keep me entertained for a few years until they work out the kinks (and lower the prices) of HDMI 1.3 TV's/decks.

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Speaking of SD quality: does anybody know a place I can take look at a 742i (or 747i) somewhere in NYC?

You can come over to my place in Harlem. I'll be hosting tours on request!

Seriously though, I'd check with J&R (a carrier of Olevia brand TV's) to see if they'll be carrying this TV and if they'll have a unit for demoing. Other than that store I haven't seen an Olevia TV demoe'd anywhere in the city. BB, PC Richards and CC don't carry the cheap Olevia TV models, so I don't know if those stores will make an exemption for the deluxe Series 7 model and carry it. Try J&R first though.
post #88 of 5030
Thanks Runoff. The "Alien" and "Star Wars" movies are supposed to be killers of LCD when it comes to black levels. Ironically on both of those movies the title screens you shot look horrible (almost XBR2/3 cloudy! ) but the shots during "darker" moments that aren't all-black look pretty OK to me (like the "SW" star field). When me and Techholic get our HDTV's and report by next Monday there will be four hands-on reports from people with this TV. If all of us have the "eggs" then we'll know its pretty safe to assume a large (if not all) 747i's will have it.

Funny how these complex 1080p HDTV's calculating bazillions of data streams and images per second can be summarized in simple words. Sony/Samsung = clouds. Sharp = bands. Toshiba= "ghostbar." Now Olevia 747i = "EGGS" I can't wait for more people to start asking us questions and concluding their postings with phrases like " please help me, I don't want to end with "EGG" on my face." Good Lord!
post #89 of 5030
OK, all of the darker shots have been replaced with lesser compressed JPEGS. If you start at the top, find the "egg" in the first Star Wars shot, then scroll down through the rest, you should be able to track the "egg".
post #90 of 5030
Thread Starter 
Ok, if the other two soon 747i owners have eggs we must join together and storm Syntax's tech support line to make them aware this is a known/unforgiving issue.I'm thinking perhaps this may be one of the main reasons Syntax has delayed so much "officially" releasing this badboy retail.The one's we have/are getting are obviously from the 1st unofficil manufacturing batch.Also, they may have resolved this issue with the new 'official 1st wave' batch currently in process of shipping to retailers.In a couple weeks when I get underway the send-back/replacement I'm specuficly requesting in writing on Syntax's end that I get a 'currently produced, March'07' model replacement.Great damn tv....except for the eggs & in my case, the 4-corner backlight bleeds.

Oh in regard to the digicam fiasco I had last night.I told my process engin. buddy about it and he instantly simply replied "Oh did you take the macro-rings off?" I was like wtf!? Yeah, so that's why I was getting such crappy shots.Oh weell, had to return the cam this morning so no shots.RunOff has supplied some great examples anyway.If ya don't mind man, I'd like to use a couple of those egg shots to email to a senior-tech I'm dealing with at Syntax.That cool?





As far as the hdmi1.3 fuss guys, imho there is not much beneficial difference between 1.2 & 1.3 to get panties in a bunch over..atleast currently for a good while. Yes, v1.3 supports 48-bit color,10.2Gbs bandwidth to support the futuristic(years away) 1440p(2560x1440), and the highest end lossless audio formats like Dolby TrueHd & Dts-Hd Mater Audio. Does anyone here actually own any uber high end equipment (stereo/tv) that actually take advantage of any of that?....no.Plus, 1440p hd standard is still quite a few years away.I honestly don't think they will rush 1440p as another new hd industry standard anytime soon especially considering broadcasters cable/sat/air are having enough trouble sloowwwlly adapting to 1080i the way it is.I beleive in 2009 we will still be seeing 1080p as the universal broadcast standard across the board.Plus, whomever wins the Hddvd vs. Blueray war it doesnt matter because max either can muster is 1080p.I seriously doubt any new 1440p quad-blue diode format will materialize anytime soon over next few years either.Hdmi1.3 is used just as a gimmick tool right now by the likes of Samsung,Sharp,etc; to sell uber expensive new model tvs with no current advantage.""Ohhhh Hdmi1.3!(price jacked $1k+ vs. 1.2 models)""
Hdmi1.2 is fine guys and will be for a good while to come.Don't fall into that 'new spec must be instantly better' trap.

Just my .02-1/2,
~S!TH
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