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post #361 of 2482
That won't be out until July. If you want Blu-ray authoring with HD menus, timelines, slideshows and uncompressed audio you can have it today and if you have any Sonic or Roxio apps on your computer (creator, record now, myDVD), you can upgrade to DVDit Pro HD for $199.
post #362 of 2482
Do we have any more info on the next generation of burners? I remember seeing something about a 4x burner....
post #363 of 2482
I think I heard of an LG 4x burner but now that I have bought one (a Sony) I have not been following hardware news much

I burned a Verbatim BDR and tested it with the PS3 and Panasonic - works great.

You know, in general I have found this BD writing to be better than CD and DVD writing for the early phase - remember when the screen saver was enough to turn your CD-R into a coaster?!

So far I don't think I have seen a bad write for BDR or BDRE (though in general I never verify the BDREs since it just takes so long)...
post #364 of 2482
Most recent news:

I took a look at the Fotis_Greece image and have worked out why the PS3 does not play it.

It seems that the first two bits of each 192 byte packet are set. These are some kind of 'copy protection' bits. In any case, the PS3 does not like them both being set. If you take this image, burn to BDRE, extract the 00000.m2ts file, and zero the first two bits in each 192 byte packet, replace the 00000.m2ts file with the new one and burn that file set to BDR(E) it will play in the PS3, complete with 5.1 audio.

The Display shows almost constant 15 Mbps AVC video and 640 kbps 5.1 DD audio.

Have Fun!
post #365 of 2482
I guess you can use isobuster and extract the .m2ts file
post #366 of 2482
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Originally Posted by Phloyd View Post

Most recent news:

I took a look at the Fotis_Greece image and have worked out why the PS3 does not play it.

It seems that the first two bits of each 192 byte packet are set. These are some kind of 'copy protection' bits. In any case, the PS3 does not like them both being set. If you take this image, burn to BDRE, extract the 00000.m2ts file, and zero the first two bits in each 192 byte packet, replace the 00000.m2ts file with the new one and burn that file set to BDR(E) it will play in the PS3, complete with 5.1 audio.

The Display shows almost constant 15 Mbps AVC video and 640 kbps 5.1 DD audio.

Have Fun!

Good find... I wonder if it's set then it must only on BD-ROM, otherwise reject playing the disk...
post #367 of 2482
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Originally Posted by plee View Post

Good find... I wonder if it's set then it must only on BD-ROM, otherwise reject playing the disk...

Could well be. It could also be the reason that the Chronos BDs didn't work in the PS3 ?

In any case, it is a strange but interesting result.
post #368 of 2482
Hey guys,

I just burned my first BD-RE with the Sony BWU-100A drive. i used power2go and simply made a data disc using UDF 2.5. The disc is unreadable in my PC now but I think that's because Windows XP does not support UDF 2.5. I'll just erase and make it a lower UDF standard.

My real question is this: it took 100 minutes to burn! I think 100 mins for a 25GB is the 1x speed rate? I did burn at 2x according to power2go? Is there a formware update that Ineed to get or what? I did not install the disc that comes with the burner, I just have power2go installed. Maybe that's it?

I know this is slightly off topic but this is still a bluray writer thread.

Thanks for any help!
post #369 of 2482
I have similar issues with power2go. I think power2go is junk. I use Nero or ImgBurn.
post #370 of 2482
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Originally Posted by MozartMan View Post

I have similar issues with power2go. I think power2go is junk. I use Nero or ImgBurn.

Ok about the UDF 2.5 I got the issue resolved with that Toshiba UDF 2.5 driver for Windows XP. Works great now I can read the files looks like it's not a coaster!

Thanks for the information, I will check for Nero or ImgBurn then!

EDIT: Damn, I am using Nero 7 to erase my BD-RE disc and it'S taking forever again? It originally said that it would take about 48 minutes but now it's been at 100% for a long time and it's at 89 minutes right now. Looks like it's gonna take 100 minutes again

Anybody saw that kind of reaction when you erase a disc? I'll try writing some data back to it after but it may be slow according to what I read on this thread so far. Do you need to have an ultra DMA level compatibility on your PC for it to work in 2x speed or something?

One other thing, the light of my HDD access blinks at the same time as the light on my BWU-100A drive? I find that odd? It's always done that since I installed the drive but the drive seems to work fine (writing, read) except for the write speed so far. Anyone has that too? THe HDD does not load when the light blinks, it's just the HDD light access that follows the BWU-100A blue access light?

EDIT2:
Ok some more tests and info. First I started to write some new files on the newly erased BD-RE with ImgBurn and it showed my write speed as 0.9x, so basically 1x. Then, I cancelled that and wrote a 7GB file on the same disc using Nero. Nero said "writing in 2x" but by calculating the time it took to write the 7GB file it wrote at 1x again.

After that, I did some cdspeed tests and I did a "Read" operation in ImgBurn to test out the read capabilities and it went to 2.0x stable. So, it doesn't seem that my CPU's bandwidth is the problem? THis PC can write DVDs at 8x speed with no problem and that needs 11MB/s whereas writing to a BD-RE at 2x only needs 9MB/s. I am at a loss? This probably means my drive or the media is at fault? My drive makes perfect burns all the time but seems stuck at 1x. THe media I used so far is Sony BD-RE 25GB (BNE25A). It says on the disc that it's V2.1 compliant and in the instructions they say the BWU-100A is 2.0 compliant. I would think 2.1 you would be able to get 2.0x speed with this disc?

My drive is installed internally as the master on the secondary IDE wire.

Any ideas guys? Anybody else can't write at 2x on those Sony discs?
post #371 of 2482
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Originally Posted by creator441 View Post

Ok about the UDF 2.5 I got the issue resolved with that Toshiba UDF 2.5 driver for Windows XP. Works great now I can read the files looks like it's not a coaster!

Thanks for the information, I will check for Nero or ImgBurn then!

EDIT: Damn, I am using Nero 7 to erase my BD-RE disc and it'S taking forever again? It originally said that it would take about 48 minutes but now it's been at 100% for a long time and it's at 89 minutes right now. Looks like it's gonna take 100 minutes again

Anybody saw that kind of reaction when you erase a disc? I'll try writing some data back to it after but it may be slow according to what I read on this thread so far. Do you need to have an ultra DMA level compatibility on your PC for it to work in 2x speed or something?

One other thing, the light of my HDD access blinks at the same time as the light on my BWU-100A drive? I find that odd? It's always done that since I installed the drive but the drive seems to work fine (writing, read) except for the write speed so far. Anyone has that too? THe HDD does not load when the light blinks, it's just the HDD light access that follows the BWU-100A blue access light?

EDIT2:
Ok some more tests and info. First I started to write some new files on the newly erased BD-RE with ImgBurn and it showed my write speed as 0.9x, so basically 1x. Then, I cancelled that and wrote a 7GB file on the same disc using Nero. Nero said "writing in 2x" but by calculating the time it took to write the 7GB file it wrote at 1x again.

After that, I did some cdspeed tests and I did a "Read" operation in ImgBurn to test out the read capabilities and it went to 2.0x stable. So, it doesn't seem that my CPU's bandwidth is the problem? THis PC can write DVDs at 8x speed with no problem and that needs 11MB/s whereas writing to a BD-RE at 2x only needs 9MB/s. I am at a loss? This probably means my drive or the media is at fault? My drive makes perfect burns all the time but seems stuck at 1x. THe media I used so far is Sony BD-RE 25GB (BNE25A). It says on the disc that it's V2.1 compliant and in the instructions they say the BWU-100A is 2.0 compliant. I would think 2.1 you would be able to get 2.0x speed with this disc?

My drive is installed internally as the master on the secondary IDE wire.

Any ideas guys? Anybody else can't write at 2x on those Sony discs?

Have you got the latest firmware/software installed? Also, remove any other DVD/CD drives just to make sure there no other driver/conflict problems.
post #372 of 2482
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Originally Posted by plee View Post

Have you got the latest firmware/software installed? Also, remove any other DVD/CD drives just to make sure there no other driver/conflict problems.

Yes I installed firmware 1.0e (latest) before trying my latest tests and it didn't help. I will try to burn a BD-R (Verbatim) and if it's still stuck on 1x on that media I'll try to remove the other dvd writer.

Any other ideas are appreciated.

Thanks!

EDIT: Hey guys! I did some more research on my problem and look what I found:

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/son..._blu_ray_drive
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...cid=29&id=2146

Basically, both those reviews says they got 2x speed on BD-R and 1x on BD-RE. They seem to have used Sony BD-REs.

Now here this review:

http://www.pcauthority.com.au/review.aspx?CIaRID=4394

Says they got 2x speed on both BD-R and BD-RE using TDK blank media.

To make things more complicated that review here:

http://www.speedlabs.org/index.php?p...esting_bd-r_re

indicates that the guy had 2x speed on all the media except for the TDK BD-RE disc. Even the Sony BD-RE wrote at 2x speed! ???

Anybody can write in 50 minutes on a Sony BD-RE here?

Thanks for your support!
post #373 of 2482
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post #374 of 2482
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In any case, I finally found the reason why my drive burns in 1x. I feel a little stupid but the answer was in the hardwarezone review I pasted, I just didn't read it carefully enough:

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"As cited in our updated Burning Benchmarks section of the article, we now know the reason for the slow writing speed of the BWU-100A. A verification process kicks in by default for BD-RE media and this effectively doubles the time taken to write a BD-RE, making it appear to 'burn' at 1x speed. However, this applies only to data files and you could still burn video files at the maximum specified 2x speed. There seems to be no way of disabling this function for BD-RE media, though on the other hand, one could enable it for BD-R or when burning video files too."

The thing is, for me, even BD-R goes in 1x mode! I just burned my first BD-R with Nero 7 expecting 2x speed and again I had 1x speed. It seems this drive is being extra careful when it writes but then why say it's a 2x drive?

In any case, I am currently erasing a disc using ImgBurn and it finally works, it's erasing at 2x. I did it by selecting the "DVD-RAM/BD-RE fastwrite" option in the "write" panel of ImgBurn settings.

Maybe ImgBurn burns BD-R media with fastwrite by default but Nero 7 still burned the stuff at 1x which is a mystery to me.

Maybe you guys have few problems with your write speed because you seem to be concentrating in making video discs and video is not affected by that auto verification process according to Sony.
post #375 of 2482
I've been considering the BWU-100A as I can get a good price on it (~400$). I've just reread through this whole thread this morning and afternoon (in between work)... is there a consensus on whether BDMV/BDAV could be used to make playable HD movies with 5.1+ surround on the PS3?
post #376 of 2482
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Originally Posted by creator441 View Post

Basically, both those reviews says they got 2x speed on BD-R and 1x on BD-RE. They seem to have used Sony BD-REs.

This is pretty much what I get also.

I have not looked into making changes to get faster writing to BDRE.

I would be interested to hear if it can be done though since BDRE writing takes forever on a full disc!
post #377 of 2482
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Originally Posted by UxiSXRD View Post

is there a consensus on whether BDMV/BDAV could be used to make playable HD movies with 5.1+ surround on the PS3?

I have confirmed that BDMV authored discs work just fine with 5.1 on the PS3 - just like a pressed one. Conceptually, if you had tools to author other codecs (video (VC1/AVC) and audio (DTS/LPCM)) they should work with the PS3 (I managed to get the Fotis image to work on PS3 with AVC video for example). Also 'fair use backups' of pressed discs play just like the originals.

The PS3 certainly seems to be one of the more picky players out there. But when it plays, it plays just fine.

Currently I would recommend DVDit Pro HD with the PS3 patch for MPEG2 and 384 kbps 5.1 (as is usually broadcast) though I would add that this software is far from bug free... It is mostly usable though.
post #378 of 2482
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Originally Posted by Phloyd View Post

This is pretty much what I get also.

I have not looked into making changes to get faster writing to BDRE.

I would be interested to hear if it can be done though since BDRE writing takes forever on a full disc!

I tested erasing a disc yesterday night with the fastwrite option on and it worked. Tonight, I tested burning data on a BD-RE using the same option in ImgBurn and it worked! I filled a 25GB Sony BD-RE disc to the brim (720KB free space left!) and it took 45 minutes and 23 seconds to burn the entire disc! That's more like it.

I didn't test if you can do that with other burning programs yet but my guess would be no. I suggest that if you want to burn data files that you either make an ISO image with the other software and burn the image with ImgBurn or use ImgBurn's "build" tab to write the data files. You can't create folders though. ImgBurn requires that all your files on the HDD be in the correct directory tree to begin with.

Here's a picture of ImgBurn's settings panel. Activate the FastWrite option!



This deactivates the drive's internal verifying process which slows down everything to 1x speed. My disc seems to be fine even without that process. I did a full check of the disc with ImgBurn after burning it and it's fine.

I must lift my hat to ImgBurn's creator. This program is pretty much superior to Nero and all the other costy software and it's free too!

I need to test that with BD-R media next because, for me, even a BD-R would go to 1x when I tested it.

Hope this helps!
post #379 of 2482
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Originally Posted by creator441 View Post

I tested erasing a disc yesterday night with the fastwrite option on and it worked. Tonight, I tested burning data on a BD-RE using the same option in ImgBurn and it worked! I filled a 25GB Sony BD-RE disc to the brim (720KB free space left!) and it took 45 minutes and 23 seconds to burn the entire disc! That's more like it.

I didn't test if you can do that with other burning programs yet but my guess would be no. I suggest that if you want to burn data files that you either make an ISO image with the other software and burn the image with ImgBurn or use ImgBurn's "build" tab to write the data files. You can't create folders though. ImgBurn requires that all your files on the HDD be in the correct directory tree to begin with.

Here's a picture of ImgBurn's settings panel. Activate the FastWrite option!



This deactivates the drive's internal verifying process which slows down everything to 1x speed. My disc seems to be fine even without that process. I did a full check of the disc with ImgBurn after burning it and it's fine.

I must lift my hat to ImgBurn's creator. This program is pretty much superior to Nero and all the other costy software and it's free too!

I need to test that with BD-R media next because, for me, even a BD-R would go to 1x when I tested it.

Hope this helps!

I would think it's simular to verify for CD/DVD, most of the time you don't have it on because of the slower writing but for a valuable disk it might be just "safe of mind" to have it on.
post #380 of 2482
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Originally Posted by plee View Post

I would think it's simular to verify for CD/DVD, most of the time you don't have it on because of the slower writing but for a valuable disk it might be just "safe of mind" to have it on.

Well I never used verify in my life so I don't know what it does on DVD burning but for the BWU-100A, it seems there is an additionnal verifying step inside the drive itself and you can only turn it off by using the fastwrite option in ImgBurn. Seems like another layer of verification ABOVE the one normally done by the burning software. If you look at the description that ImgBurn's instructions gives of the option they say just that. They say it disables the drive's internal verification process and let the software decide.

No way will i wait 100 minutes to burn a disc I know will burn just fine at 2x (it's a 2x drive and a 2x media) but that's just me. It's even more true for BD-RE media imho.
post #381 of 2482
Thanks for the info.

Yeah, for BDRE I generally don't care if there is a small error here or there since I will probably erase it and write something else soon after...

For BD-R I and DVD-R I always verify, just to be sure...

BDRE is usually just a test burn to prove that a given image plays in the various players before I commit to BD-R.
post #382 of 2482
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Originally Posted by creator441 View Post

Well I never used verify in my life so I don't know what it does on DVD burning but for the BWU-100A, it seems there is an additionnal verifying step inside the drive itself and you can only turn it off by using the fastwrite option in ImgBurn. Seems like another layer of verification ABOVE the one normally done by the burning software. If you look at the description that ImgBurn's instructions gives of the option they say just that. They say it disables the drive's internal verification process and let the software decide.

No way will i wait 100 minutes to burn a disc I know will burn just fine at 2x (it's a 2x drive and a 2x media) but that's just me. It's even more true for BD-RE media imho.

I believe all the verify for cd/dvd is to burn the track then read it to verify the data has been correctly written. So it does slow it down, again I think this is a simular thing for Blu-ray...
post #383 of 2482
Has anyone been able to test playback on a Samsung BDP-1200? I want this to be my first Blu-Ray player however I want to make SURE that I'll be able to author Blu-Ray discs at 1080/24P from my Sony BWU100A in BDMV format and have them playback 100% well from the Samsung BDP-1200. I hope this isn't just wishful thinking, cause that Samsung unit looks perfect.
post #384 of 2482
Right now, that is one of the few BD players that DVDit Pro HD discs are not working with. Here is the current compatability list:

Player

Playstation 3 (1.6 + DVDit patch) ------- BD-R, BD-RE

Sony BDP-S1 (1.55) ------- BD-R, BD-RE, DVD-R (when AACS folder is removed)

Pioneer Elite BDP-HD1 ------- BD-R, BD-RE

Samsung BD-P 1000 (1.0 firmware) ------- BD-R, BD-RE

Samsung BD-P 1200 ------- BD-R (mixed results - could be certain media that works)

Panasonic DMP-BD10 ------- BD-R, BD-RE, DVD-R

Philips BDP9000 ------- unknown

LG BH-100 ------- no
post #385 of 2482
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Originally Posted by SS Scott View Post

Sony BDP-S1 (1.55) ------- BD-R, BD-RE, DVD-R (when AACS folder is removed)

That is interesting for the 'red laser' BD compatibility.

It will be interesting to see if the 'A' version of the Panasonic player still supports 'red laser' BD.

I have also held off on upgrading my Panasonic firmware until I am sure that I won't lose BD on DVD-R support...!

If anyone can confirm that the Panasonic player with TrueHD support still supports BD images on DVD-R, that would help me towards making that firmware upgrade ...
post #386 of 2482
Short news - maybe not very interesting

I found a way to get the 'true' write speed and it seems that the Sony writer writes BD-R at 1.9x and BD-RE at 1.3x.

Not yet found a way with the tools I have to make the BD-RE go faster... but that's ok for now It is interesting that it is a little higher than 1.0x....
post #387 of 2482
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Originally Posted by Phloyd View Post

Short news - maybe not very interesting

I found a way to get the 'true' write speed and it seems that the Sony writer writes BD-R at 1.9x and BD-RE at 1.3x.

Not yet found a way with the tools I have to make the BD-RE go faster... but that's ok for now It is interesting that it is a little higher than 1.0x....

Didn't you try my trick with imgBurn? I get full constant 2.0x speed on a BD-RE. I didn't test on a BD-R yet but it should be the same.

I used a Sony BD-RE disc that had been written onto multiple times already (not new).

Also, is your drive installed internally on IDE or in an USB external enclosure?

Finally, what drive are you using and what firmware? I have the Sony BWU-100A and the latest firmware from Sony.
post #388 of 2482
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Originally Posted by creator441 View Post

Didn't you try my trick with imgBurn? I get full constant 2.0x speed on a BD-RE. I didn't test on a BD-R yet but it should be the same.

I used a Sony BD-RE disc that had been written onto multiple times already (not new).

Also, is your drive installed internally on IDE or in an USB external enclosure?

Finally, what drive are you using and what firmware? I have the Sony BWU-100A and the latest firmware from Sony.

I don't think I have imgBurn (unless it came with the drive).

The drive is internal - not updated the firmware that I can recall. It might be useful to do the firmware update.
post #389 of 2482
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Originally Posted by Phloyd View Post

I don't think I have imgBurn (unless it came with the drive).

The drive is internal - not updated the firmware that I can recall. It might be useful to do the firmware update.

ImgBurn is free. Just download it and try it out:

http://www.imgburn.com/

You should get full 2.0x speed with the above trick i mentioned.
post #390 of 2482
Cool - thanks.

Does it have a verify function also (verify after write)?

I will definitely take a look at this...

Edit: It does appear to have verify functions - looks great!
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