My Blu-Ray Movie Burning Experiences... - Page 15

Sorry. I've just recently discovered that aside from BDAV and BDMV there's also HDMV.
I'm assuming EncoreDVD CS3 will be using HDMV, but how is that for compatibility on the PS3 and the standalone players on the market?

Encore DVD CS3 will use BDMV (which is basically DVD-type menus/functionality on BD) and will work great with the PS3 and most (all?) players on the market.

Will DVDIT permit you to burn compatible BDMV on DVD-5/DVD-9 red laser media? I'm not interested in $1000 BD burners and $20 BD media at this time.

Whether it will or won't, I don't believe any Blu-ray player will read/look for BDMV content on a red laser disc (not part of the spec, so not supported). Probably only a PC would let you play it back... (unfortunately)

Alright. Same question for BDAV? Can DVDit or any of the lower end PC apps author onto red laser disk, and will most of the standalone players play back BDAV from a red laser disk, i.e. not just PS3?

Thanks

Can someone clarify what HDMV is? Is that just another name for BDMV or BDAV or is it distinctly different from both of these?

I don't know where you're looking but my Sony BWU100A was $449 CAD from Future Shop (albeit was a sale) and Blu-Ray media is approx $13 at computer stores.

So considering you're from the US even I don't see where you're getting your figures.

The Panasonic player will playback red laser BDMV images.

HDMV and BDMV are the same thing I believe.

I made a new and interesting observation (or two) this weekend.

Firstly, it seems that BDRE and BDR discs do not have the same capacity.

I created an image that was 100MB short of 25,000,000,000 bytes and when I went to burn it to a BDRE I got a 'not enough space' pop-up! It seems that BDRE has a maximum 'recommended' capacity around 24,200,000,000 bytes.

However, before giving up entirely I popped a blank BDR in the drive and it said the capacity was the full 25GB.

After doing as much as I could to make sure the disc is correct without actually making a full BDRE to test with, I proceeded to burn to BDR with no warnings and a solid 2x burn rate.

The second thing I learned is... don't get them wet! I washed one of my dirty BDRE discs and the water seemed to cause the hardcoat to lift around the edges. This was a TDK BDRE - not sure if other brands are different with respect to this 'issue'.

In any case, the 'place in boiling water to make it play' approach for HD DVD should not be attempted on BDREs, especially TDK ones

I haven't seriously shopped. Even the prices you mention are more than I want to spend for distributing home video if it can be accomplished on standard red laser media and burners. Can it?

I'm just saying... embellishing on the details doesn't help
Some people will see what you've written and take it to be fact.

Anyway. What you're asking is commonly accomplished when you burn HD to DVD+R DL for playback on HD-DVD players, but from my understanding this is not the case with Blu-Ray....unless it's a PS3, that can understand MPEG-2 footage dumped straight on a disc of any sort but that's a different sort of device. You're not really authoring a Blu-Ray disc at that point.


EDIT: I just noticed that Phloyd has had success with this with a Panasonic player, so I stand corrected! That is good news.

I think that some have had success with the Sony set tip player also. But I am not sure of the details.

It is certainly not something you can count on.

Also I hear that only the first gen HD DVD players will play HD off red laser.. though that is also not 100% sure (it is sure that the A1 can play HD off DVDR).

Another thing to note (which is not generally a concern) is that the Panasonic player at least cannot deal with much more than 20 Mbps bitrate for HD on DVDR. That may be a concern for HDV sourced MPEG2 - I am not sure what the bitrates are there...

DVDit allows you to burn a volume or an image. that can then be burned to DVD-R. We have seen success with playback of those DVD-Rs on Panasonic and Sony players. maybe others. check the DVDit Pro HD Roxio forum.

For the record, I'm not deliberately embellishing. I do see the LaCie d2 external USB on the far side of $900 US internet price. I am a laptop user, and I don't see any other external drive/burners. And media I see listed on the internet for anywhere from 11-33 dollars US, and I know I've seen those at retail for $20.

Moving on...

Thanks SS SCOTT on the disk image/volume for putting BDAV on DVD-R media. That's the workflow I am looking for.

Phloyd,

HD-DVD plays from red laser media on all the HD-DVD players I've tried, at least the A1/XA1/A2/A20. I'm format neutral, not pumping HD-DVD but just stating the observation that at this time, HD-DVD home brewing seems further along and friendlier, cheaper, with full menu functionality. That said, what I look forward to is distributing 1080i/p home brewed video on both formats. But I'm not so keen toward giving away $11 dollar disks or buying a burner that is essentially a one trick pony, just to hand out five minute videos to HD enthusiasts who only have Blu-Ray players. That's just where I am. I already have and have had for a few years, HD media playback options for personal viewing.

Thanks for the tip! HDV MPEG-2 is actually a CBR of 25Mbps (for Sony and Canon anyway, JVC's HDV implementation is 19mbps I think), so that reinforces my decision to have bought the Blu-Ray burner and PS3.

Although had I known the PS3 would play back HDV content so beautifully from the hard drive I probably wouldn't have even bought the Blu-Ray burner and skipped the whole optical setup for now while media prices are still somewhat high.

i wasn't aware of that (thought none did). thanks for the correction!

Anyone else have a Panasonic LF-MB121 burner? I'm having problems with BD-RE discs, specifically with burn speeds. No matter what I try, all discs burn at 1x. I've tried Maxell, Verbatim, Philips, Sony and TDK BD-RE 25GB media, all specced to 2x speed. Burn applications tested include the latest Nero and Roxio Easy Media Creator 9.

Try ImgBurn.

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/ImgBurn

Yeah ImgBurn can do BDRE at 2x. I use it pretty much exclusively for BD burning now.

The switch is something about BDRE and DVDRAM burning - I think that there is a screen shot of the setting back a page or few

Ok, cool. I had heard that it was not there for the A2 so I guess I heard wrong.


True if you can tolerate the 8.5 GB limit. It seems to be pretty close to stalled for burning HD DVD media, which is also more expensive per GB than BD media.

With respect to menu and such, DVDit Pro HD can do all that for Blu-rays.

I would say that HD DVD wins on the side of wider compatibility (for example HD DVD will tolerate 1280x1080i streams) and perhaps 'further along' since the Ulead tools have been out for some time, and a slight edge on capacity (the EVO has less overhead than the m2ts files).

But only for DVDR media.

For real HD media burning, HD DVD is way behind in both burning hardware and media pricing.

Also some amount of trickery can be used to get 1280x1080i streams onto a BDR, but the playback of such streams is not always as you would hope (once again the Panasonic does the right thing and last time I checked the PS3 does not).

sorry for the newbie question but I have 8 DVR's with external sata II 500GB HDD full of HDTV Programming. Can anyone walk me through what equipment I would need to have and or purchase to transfer these HD shows to Bluray R and or RE's , my cable bill is like 300 a month (cable equipment fees) any help would be welcome, thanks. I have comcast with Explorer 8300HD boxes

Motion menus and background music I assume? Good.


Certainly hardware, meda pricing without hardware is moot.

I use ImgBurn for all my DVD burns, but AFAIK it doesn't support UDF 2.5/2.6 which is what Blu-ray uses. Well, I'll give it a shot - it's only an hour and a half for 1x burn =)

edit: Ah, I see ImgBurn has received a lot of updates recently; my version is still 2.0.0.1. Nice! I donated some money to the developer back in January and asked if he could add support for HD/BD - apparently he did

I don't think ImgBurn can create UDF 2.5 yet, so you will need to do that with Nero or some other tool.

Regardless, for large files at least, it is still faster to create the image file on HDD and then burn it at 2.0 than it is to burn the 'files' at 1.3x using Nero...

I have never bothered to look into it, but I believe HD res motion menu is possible. Maybe SS Scott can clarify this.

HDV to BD

Softwares:
1. HDVsplit - capture HDV to computer
2. Premiere Pro 2 - edit hdv video and output elementary streams
3. Photoshop CS2 with Scenarist Designer plug-in - BD menu creation
4. Scenarist HDMV - BD authoring
5. ImgBurn - burning BD image
6. PowerDVD Ultra - playing BD disc

Simple Workflow:
1. Capture HDV to computer
2. Edit video and output final video from Premiere Pro 2. In order to create BD, you must output elementary streams, i.e.: 1 video stream (mpeg 2 format) and 1 audio stream (ac3 format)
3. Design BD menu using Photoshop CS2 and export using Scenarist Designer plug-in
4. Import all materials (video, audio, menu) to Scenarist HDMV to do authoring
5. Create BD image from Scenarist HDMV
6. Burn BD image using ImgBurn
7. The disc can be playback on PC or BD player that compatible with BDR or BDRE.

Nice work! tsw01.
have you inserted the disk in standalone BD players and see if it plays like a commercial BD?

Ohh-kayy... some more advice is needed. Downloaded and installed the latest ImgBurn, and ticket the BD-RE box in Write options. Attempted to burn the BDMV directory using ImgBurn's Build option, but PS3 wouldn't even recognize the disc.

2nd attempt: used Roxio Easy Media Creator 9 to create a .ISO image for burning with ImgBurn. Roxio 9 creates BDs that work perfectly in PS3 but the write speed is only 1x. However, when I load the .ISO into ImgBurn, it reports that the image has ISO9660, Joliet and UDF 1.02 file systems. I'm burning the image now, though I'm fairly certain the disc won't work, due to UDF file system version.

I bought the latest Nero which supports Blu-ray, but it burns at 1x and the discs don't work in PS3. PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra will play the contents, though. I've also tried Roxio DVDit Pro HD 6.3 which has a Burn Disc option. It worked for me once, created a disc which worked in PS3, but the burn speed was again only 1x. Every burn attempt since then has failed immediately on a Sense Code Error.

What app are you guys using to create image files for burning with ImgBurn?

The result was pretty much what I expected.

Image created with Roxio Easy Media Creator 9, burned with the latest ImgBurn.

PS3 recognized the disc, started playing it but after a few seconds of a black screen it threw up an error message "This is an invalid disc. (80029941)."

Exactly same thing happens with discs burned with the latest Nero.